History of the Genesis RBA

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rolygate

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Please can people who know how the genny started, or who know of links to the info, post in this thread? Thanks.

Who named the Genesis? On which device (by who) was it used first?

At what stage did the GG use the genny - first, or after others? Where do Zen's APVs fit in this? Did Raidy invent the genny and where is Bulli in this?
 
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First off, it's genisis, not genesis, as per Raidy. Raidy was the first to introduce it here that I am aware of. He never really made them available as a mod to users, but looked at it as "open source". People started making their own and then PeaceoffCake made his first "kit" available. (here actually). POC's kit was basically all the machined pieces, and the end user had to assemble and get a working atty/mod hybrid. It was the Hybrid from Croatia. Then he and others started making complete atomizers/hybrids avail. Van made the Line, POC made the Katana, and nosmoker the Orion. They tried to have a presence here, but forum rules and all...

GG has never done a genisis style, and Imeo won't - thinks the mesh is bad for you or something. Bulli-smokers weren't genisis either, though they can be used in that matter. The G-tank from sturm was made, and was a top tank atomizer from Poland. Dan at ECF made some tank type genny atomizers, and did the G-tank-US, which was sanctioned by sturm. In the US, Zen~ wanted to make something more readily available to people on that side of the world. He came out with his Zen line (a little after the timeframe of the Line and Katana) and coined the term APV. Something to do about the lists and waiting on build and shipping from Europe since the genisis mod builders were all over there.

Been a genny user since POC's original hybrid, and am vaping a beta mod from an "unknown" mod maker now, have a couple Orions still and use them along with others in my sig.

Raidy's original thread, peaceoffcake's is still around (actually part of jenb's he made genny thread), and are the best references (here).


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Nice work JollyRogers.

Just got given a list of RB attys from July 2012 - some or most are gennys apparently (not sure).

NGP (multiple versions) - ngp.hu
Bulli (multiple versions) - bulli-smoker.de
Zenesis - houseofhybrids.com
Mark T Infinity - cloud9vaping.co.uk/Mark-T-Infinity-Atomiser-Kit
The Ato-Miser - shop.nhaler.com/The-Ato-Miser_c101.htm
My-T & G-Bell by Yenki69 - vaporwall.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=158
AviSS Genesis - ukvapers.com/topic/22859-aviss-rebuildable-genesis/
The Orion by Nosmoker - ukvapers.com/topic/18423-nosmoker-orion-pre-order/
The Hellfire Rebuildable Tanks - ukvapers.com/topic/21472-hellfire-rebuildable-tank-sales/
LS-E - liquid-stube.de
Genesis Maxi/Min/Line SS/Line V2 by Van - vaporwall.com
The DID - e-vape.gr
GG Odysseus - cloudsofvapor.com
GG Penelope - cloudsofvapor.com
A.R.T. - sites.google.com/site/artatomizer/
KruserOne - facebook.com/pages/Kruser/154913201302928
BT-V1 - bt-v1.de
GLV - intaste.de
Talos - intaste.de
Kaifun - shop.svoemesto.ru/index.php?categoryID=556
Patriot Mega - easyvap.com/product.php?id_product=331
Phantom V21/V18 - highendsmoke.de/Phantom-Geraete/?XTC...526f38313cae36d5d896
Clearome - ecigfr.fr/category.php?id_category=33
Katana mailto: - peace.off.cake @ gmail.com
Willpro - willpro.cz
Defcon Mini - sandsmods.com
eShots Phoenix - eshotsph.com/eshots-accessories-atomizers.html
Ikarus - ukvapers.com/topic/25293-the-ikarus-list/
 

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So is this right: most of the RB atties we used to use 2+ years ago are gennies. A genny is an RB deck above a tank, with one or more SS mesh wicks rolled in a tube that go down into the tank and around which the coil is wrapped. So a genny has a vertical coil on an SS wick, with the tank below.

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So is this right: most of the RB atties we used to use 2+ years ago are gennies. A genny is an RB deck above a tank, with one or more SS mesh wicks rolled in a tube that go down into the tank and around which the coil is wrapped. So a genny has a vertical coil on an SS wick, with the tank below.

??

Normally, yes. However, I use mine with cotton.

I found that list as well. Also where I found the genesis brand info
 

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So is this right: most of the RB atties we used to use 2+ years ago are gennies. A genny is an RB deck above a tank, with one or more SS mesh wicks rolled in a tube that go down into the tank and around which the coil is wrapped. So a genny has a vertical coil on an SS wick, with the tank below.

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A lot of the atomizers we used 2+ years ago where silica atomizers (bulli-smoker, ato-miser, GG ody) and more recently the kayfun chimney type atomizers. You certainly can use SS mesh wicks in some of these, but purpose built genisis atomizers consisted of a tank (top or bottom), SS mesh wick typically vertical or U-shaped, and coil. And a purpose built atomizer as a genisis style atomize can certainly use other means for wicking such as SS cable, cotton, silica, ceramic, etc. In that list, I can pick out most of the purpose built genisis kits, and delete some that I know are not considered a genny… some I am not certain (so I deleted them). The ones I left I am pretty sure are genisis atomizers or hybrids, and I could certainly add some more to this list. The list you posted is definitely not all inclusive. The early "commercial" (they are actually independent cottage industry types) builders are peaceoffcake, nosmoker, Van, sturm (g-tank), and some others I am failing to mention. In the US, there is Zen, docdave (the bliss), and some others. There is a plethora of builders out there now that have tank style genny atomizers, and there are certainly clones.

NGP (multiple versions) - ngp.hu
Zenesis - houseofhybrids.com
My-T & G-Bell by Yenki69 - vaporwall.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=158
AviSS Genesis - ukvapers.com/topic/22859-aviss-rebuildable-genesis/
The Orion by Nosmoker - ukvapers.com/topic/18423-nosmoker-orion-pre-order/
The Hellfire Rebuildable Tanks - ukvapers.com/topic/21472-hellfire-rebuildable-tank-sales/
Genesis Maxi/Min/Line SS/Line V2 by Van - vaporwall.com
The DID - e-vape.gr
GLV - intaste.de
Katana mailto: - peace.off.cake @ gmail.com
Ikarus - ukvapers.com/topic/25293-the-ikarus-list/

I am curious as to why you are delving into this? Writing a book or something or another?
 
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The reason is simple: ECF resources need to be comprehensive and accurate, even if a little too extensive (and incomprehensible) to some. Plus, some distillation and organisation is sometimes needed.

The standard aimed at for these occasional topic updates is Wikipedia but always accurate; a community version of an academic resource but without any agenda-driven interference. Some pages on Wikipedia are really good, especially as an overview of the topic or a starting point for further research. They will often tell you all you need to know, as a passer-by; see the page on regulatory capture, for example. Others are useless junk contaminated by commercial opponents and crackpots (see the e-cigarette page for a good example of that). We can't run ECF as a wiki, indeed it has a separate section for that purpose, but what we can do is preserve an accurate record of the technical development of the PV. As the information is scattered across millions of pages, some kind of occasional rationalisation is helpful: an outline of the topic, an update on the situation, a distillation of what we know, a clarification of the facts as against the propaganda, an attempt to list and balance the various conflicting narratives, a list of other resources.

See the articles in The Library or at ecigarette-politics.com for examples.

I'm not going to write a book because there is no value in it for me of any kind compared to the huge amount of time and effort it would take me to get it right by my terms, as a perfectionist. Etter has already written a good enough one, and although a more technically accurate one, and one more representative of the community-driven expansion of the world of ecigs, and one that far better describes the establishment's opposition to ecigs and protection of the smoking economy could all be written, those tasks are not for me. Rather, what I'm interested is in getting our technical resources accurate, in terms of the real history of vaping as against an outsider's foggy view of it that probably only goes as far as some sort of outline description of basic products and a couple of legal decisions.

After all, if you can't research the real history of vaping on ECF, and read about the most important people in it - the inventors, modders and developers of entirely new types of equipment - then where can you go? There is nowhere else. ECF is the best historical record of vaping in existence, it is totally comprehensive from 2007 onward. But it can often do with some help, as the info is scattered across 14 million posts. In twenty years' time, when it is obvious that millions of lives have been saved despite a tremendous struggle against government oppression based on protecting official and commercial revenues, who will know what the real story was?

So as you will see by my stuff elsewhere, it is important to me to get these things organised correctly, to make any resources comprehensive and accurate, and to cover all the loose ends that get forgotten about. RBAs are significant enough now to have their own dedicated areas here, and when that point is reached, the job might as well be done properly. It hasn't really, before, because no one was 'curating' the story, if you like - everyone was just too busy. For example: who invented the carto, who developed it, who invented the carto tank? And so on. The resources that result from this approach go way too far for most in this era of 20-second attention spans, though.

You could describe people like the ECF modders, the ECF chemists, and Peaceoffcake, Raidy, Van, Zen, Markbugs and all the others as the heroes of vaping and the people who made it work; or you could ignore them and just go for say Han Li, Jide Yao, Ray Storey and Judge Leon. But at least the choice should be available to you. More than anything else I'm interested in the actuality rather than some distorted perception of it that is cooked up to suit someone's agenda. Somebody may want to know the real story, one day.

And thanks for asking, by the way :)
 

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So is this right: most of the RB atties we used to use 2+ years ago are gennies. A genny is an RB deck above a tank, with one or more SS mesh wicks rolled in a tube that go down into the tank and around which the coil is wrapped. So a genny has a vertical coil on an SS wick, with the tank below.

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that "seems" to be the general concensus.... altho I use silica in the tank to the build deck with rayon on top of the wick ( silica) and a horizontal coil nestled into the rayon.... the rayon stays dripper wet and it doesnt leak even when layed on its side....
 
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