Horizontal vs. vertical coil?

[hnyb0210]

Hi guys - can someone give me an easy explanation about horizontal coil vs. vertical coil? I'm using Smokeless Image blank cartos, but of course I'm always in the market for less expensive ones (not that I think SI's are unreasonable - I'm just a bargain hunter). Does it matter which I use (horiz or vert coil) on my Volt?

And a sideline question - being new @ this, I occasionally overfill a carto (i.e. a little liquid drips out the bottom) - is this a big deal or should I just blow it out & move on (that's what I've been doing). Does it damage the carto or anything?

Thank you!!

 

[Jay99]

The bottom question is not a problem, you have to blow the carto out to get the juice out, and make sure you do it on a tissue.

 

[DC2]

The horizontal coil is far superior, from what I understand.
It was designed by a long-time vaper (Leaford) who was hired by Bloog.

In fact, it was the first time a cartomizer enabled a cigarette-sized model to perform decently.
And thus was eventually born the BloogMaxxFusion, which was pretty much the first such model worth recommending.

Now the Smokeless Image Volt (same design) has taken over due to offering lower prices and capturing the early market.
And as the early market goes, so goes the recommendations.


I believe Leaford first moved to China after being hired by Vapor4Life.
And then he moved on to Bloog where he helped develop the horizontal coil cartomizers.

If any of this is incorrect, please feel free to correct me.
I hate spreading false information.

 

[txtumbleweed]

The first horizontal coil I knew about was the Go-Go in Dec 2010 but Bloog might have been before that and I just had never heard of them.

 

[cozzicon]

The first horizontal coil I knew about was the Go-Go in Dec 2010 but Bloog might have been before that and I just had never heard of them.

The first horizontal coil was the joyetech 510 cartomizer

 

[txtumbleweed]

The first horizontal coil was the joyetech 510 cartomizer

Didn't know that I guess they just didn't advertise the fact. Was it a bottom horiz coil?

 

[cozzicon]

Didn't know that I guess they just didn't advertise the fact. Was it a bottom horiz coil?

Yuppers.

There might be a picture of it in my gallery here.

 

[TTK]

I don't think all bottom horizontal coil cartomizers are equal. I have "generic" 808 bottom coil and the Bloog blanks. The Bloog blanks last much longer without changing the taste of the juice.

 

[DC2]

The first horizontal coil was the Joyetech 510 cartomizer

So are they different? If so, is one superior to the other?

 

[cozzicon]

So are they different? If so, is one superior to the other?

Depends on what you like...

 

[DC2]

Depends on what you like...

Let me put it a different way...


When the Bloog MaxxFusion came out, it pretty much revolutionized mini-cigarettes.
Suddenly there was a stick battery model that many veteran vapers were willing to recommend, and even use.

So why do you think that did that NOT happen with the 510 cartomizers?

 

[cozzicon]

Let me put it a different way...


When the Bloog MaxxFusion came out, it pretty much revolutionized mini-cigarettes.
Suddenly there was a stick battery model that many veteran vapers were willing to recommend, and even use.

So why do you think that did that NOT happen with the 510 cartomizers?

I very much liked the Joyetech 510 cartomizers... to me they tasted great. Many people agree with that, but at the same time people were really really critical of syringe filling these things. So I'm not sure they really took off. The Mega version was pretty amazing as well.

Fiberfill cartos, regardless of coil orientation won the day not only because they were simple to fill, but because of various tank hacks, which led to the "tank revolution" which we're all familiar with now.

That being said... those cartos still sell as far as I can tell. But not nearly as well as they did.

As an aside, Boge fiber cartos will go the way of the dinosaur as well if they do not address the quality issues some are reporting.

That's my take.

 

[Unforeseen]

VERY basic explanation of the differences between the two:

Horizontal Coil (usually 901/808) = Coil is on the bottom of the cartomizer.

Vertical Coil (usually 306/510) = Coil is located in the middle of the cartomizer.


There are exceptions to this, such as vertical coiled cartomizers made specifically for 808 batts.

 

[Unforeseen]

Moved from General E-Smoking Discussion to Assorted PV Topics - Cartomizers

 

[Slurp812]

Iv only tried one of my Kangers so far. It put out tons of vapor, and tasted good, but is a bit hard to hit. Not sure if its just this one. I think I will grab another one and test it...

 

[leaford]

The horizontal coil is far superior, from what I understand.
It was designed by a long-time vaper (Leaford) who was hired by Bloog.
I believe Leaford first moved to China after being hired by Vapor4Life.
And then he moved on to Bloog where he helped develop the horizontal coil cartomizers.

If any of this is incorrect, please feel free to correct me.
I hate spreading false information.

Not sure if I can post here, but here goes...

Sorry to resurrect an old thread but I just came across it and want to correct a bit of misunderstanding I see too often. I did not design the horizontal coil cartomizer. I never said that, but some people have taken what I said that way.

I said that I contributed to our manufacturer improving the 808 cartomizers, but not to great enough of an extent to claim that I designed or developed them.

I was requesting a more burn-proof carto, and I suggested extending the burn-proof fiber air tubes the length of the carto (they were previously just above and below the vertical heating coil leaving the poly fill exposed to the coil) to insulate the poly fill from the heating coil, and to act as a chimney, concentrating the heat for hotter vapor. But I didn't suggest a horizontal coil, and my idea wasn't acted on at that time.

Later, without my involvement, the engineer I had discussed that with added the horizontal wick to my full length air tube idea, and created his horizontal coil 808 cartos, for which as far as I knew I was the first, and for a while the only, customer. (A friend of mine now claims that he was buying them before I was, but I was working with the manufacturer for months and never saw any packaging for them but mine, until he visited China and I started seeing his. Who knows? Who cares anymore?)

My manufacturer may well have gotten the horizontal coil idea from the 510 or some other model. I really wouldn't know, but wouldn't have a hard time believing it. The guy is a great engineer, but he does tend to perfect other people's ideas more than create his own innovations.

 

[txtumbleweed]

Very interesting leaford!

 

[Chrispixx]

I started with a Mistic kit from walmart, they are vertical coil. they would work good new but after a few refills they would go downhill fast. I wanted a better carto so i tried the ones from smokeless image (volt), after experiencing how much better they were i did some research and found out they are bottom coil. They work so much better i am hooked, they rock.

Bottom coil gets my vote.

 

[ninjuh]

I get the kanger horizontal coil cartos & they vape flawlessly. Good flavor & really WARM hits.

 

[Quoiyaien]

I too am using the Horizontal coil Kanger Cartomizers... I love them! I get quite a good vapour on my 510's (What I vape at work) using them... I get packs of 5 for $5... I recently stocked up and bought 6 packs, so Im set for a little while (though maybe not, I have a few johnson creek sample packs coming, and each flavour gets its own carto)