Hornet, ERA, Chalice? Anybody actually like those more than the RM2??

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I still use Hornets on my mini REOs. They've been going strong for over 6 months in heavy daily use. It's a solid rba. Mine are stainless steel. It's got a smaller air chamber, tighter draw, closer posts, less working room, feeds from one of the posts, and because of that has no drain hole for excess juice to flow back into the bottle. But they are a decent vape - miles better than a carto.

They have a push on cap secured by 2 orings. I pull off one oring and use it in the catchup before screwing the atty on. That way I can get things positioned exactly where I want them, and I get no leaks (other than if I over-squonk and forget to vape it out.) I also prefer the airier draw of the RM2 and had to drill out the Hornet air holes a bit.

Price-wise, the RM2 is the better deal. The Hornets were about $74 a piece.

I prefer the RM2 over the Hornets.
 

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You can rule out the Chalice just on the fact you'll not likely ever get one. There's people here that have been looking for a while with no luck. I don't have a ERA so can't speak to it. Do have a hornet and cyclone neither bottom feed. But they both work well not well enough to use over the RM2 and damn sure not well enough to buy more of them. The RM2 is easier because of the post setup IMO.
 

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No idea, I only have RM2's. This post is to remind you that you soon will have great cause for celebration - you are a few days from a full year of being smoke free!!! Congrat is advance, will be a great achievement.

Thank you very much Matthee!! That means the world! In this long (expensive) journey I've found myself to be total Reonaut. I've tried just about everything out there and have landed pretty much full time on a Reo Grand w/RM2.

Now I'm pretty much dedicating my time to honing every skill on a Reo. BTW to all on this forum, I've spent almost the last year on ECF reading daily and Reo users are by far (IMO) the best group here PERIOD. Rob (IMO) is the most dedicated supplier on this entire forum PERIOD.

Just my thoughts, experience, conclusions thus far.

Thanks again Matthee!
 

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You can rule out the Chalice just on the fact you'll not likely ever get one. There's people here that have been looking for a while with no luck. I don't have a ERA so can't speak to it. Do have a hornet and cyclone neither bottom feed. But they both work well not well enough to use over the RM2 and damn sure not well enough to buy more of them. The RM2 is easier because of the post setup IMO.

Thank you for your thoughts. I figured the Chalice was a long shot. I have used the Cyclone (top fed) and liked it but sold it as I really only use Reos now.
 

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Just curious, I have 3 Reo Grands and 3 RM2s. Just wondering if there was any reason some may like the ERAs, Hornets or Chalices. I know the Chalice is tough to get but wondering if anyone thinks its worth the hunt. :vapor:

I have had all if the above except ERA. But a hornet is just a smaller ERA. All of them are great but the RM2 and chalice stand out as exceptional. They're all i have now. Here's why:

Both vape consistently excellent - no heating up of the cap or different temp vape when chain vaping.

Juice feed / drain hole on the deck - this is very big for me cause I like to squonk allot and the excess drains rather than flood the RBA. Hornet / ERA doesn't have it. It feeds out of a hole up on the post.

Screw on caps. ERA / Hornet rely on Orings for a friction connection.

I like building on the RM2 better than the chalice.

I like the ceramic base and no insulators to melt / fail in the RM2 chamber.

I like that the RM2 takes regular screws in the posts rather than tiny Allen screws. The screws in the RM2 can be purchased from Rob or sourced elsewhere.


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The chalice build quality is a 10 and I would rank the SS ERA / Hornet a 7. The RM2 is a 6 but its a very durable RBA. I think its more durable than era hornet. Keep in mind that it costs 4 times less than a chalice though and about 1/2 what I paid for my hornets. Keep in mind that Rob could modify and resell any RBA he wants but he chose the RM2 for its vape characteristics, it's simplicity and affordability. Any increases in material / build quality would have just driven up the cost. It's a great RBA as is.

I think you should hunt down a chalice. Mine is a working collectors item. It kicks AYuss.

In the mean time, pick up a couple of RM2s. They also kick AYuss, they're affordable and chances are you'll never get a chalice. You may even forget looking for one once you vape an RM2 :)

I sold 2 of my chalices to get more RM2s. The only negative (and its easily rectified with a thick oring) is that the RM2 can let some juice into the catchcup via the hole in the 510 connector. I fix that with a thick oring and tighten down the base real good. :)

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I have had all if the above except ERA. But a hornet is just a smaller ERA. All of them are great but the RM2 and chalice stand out as exceptional. They're all i have now. Here's why:

Both vape consistently excellent - no heating up of the cap or different temp vape when chain vaping.

Juice feed / drain hole on the deck - this is very big for me cause I like to squonk allot and the excess drains rather than flood the RBA. Hornet / ERA doesn't have it. It feeds out if a hole up on the post.

Screw on caps. ERA / Hornet rely on Orings for a friction connection.

I like building on the RM2 better than the chalice.

I like the ceramic base and no insulators to melt / fail in the RM2 chamber.

I like that the RM2 takes regular screws in the posts rather than tiny Allen screws. The screws in the RM2 can be purchased from Rob or sourced elsewhere.


Build quality:
The chalice build quality is a 10 and I would rank the SS ERA / Hornet a 7. The RM2 is a 6 but its a very durable RBA. I think its more durable than era hornet. Keep in mind that it costs 4 times less than a chalice though and about 1/2 what I paid for my hornets. Keep in mind that Rob could modify and resell any RBA he wants but he chose the RM2 for its vape characteristics, it's simplicity and affordability. Any increases in material / build quality would have just driven up the cost. It's a great RBA as is.

I think you should hunt down a chalice. Mine is a working collectors item. It kicks AYuss.

In the mean time, pick up a couple of RM2s. They also kick AYuss, they're affordable and chances are you'll never get a chalice. You may even forget looking for one once you vape an RM2 :)

I sold 2 of my chalices to get more RM2s. The only negative (and its easily rectified with a thick oring) is that the RM2 can let some juice into the catchcup via the hole in the 510 connector. I fix that with a thick oring and tighten down the base real good. :)

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Gah that chalice really is pretty :hubba: But yeah still not likely to find one anytime soon!
 
Budz Works (maker of the Hornet and ERA) are about to release an Air Flow Top Cap for the ERA, which I'm pumped for so I can play with some dual coil action on my REO, and adjustable airflow is just always a nice thing to have.

The only reason I own an ERA is that I bought an orange VV grand and I wanted it to look like a pumpkin so I grabbed a Green capped ERA and a Green Cherry Vape Drip Tip. Unless you've going to looks I think the RM2 is pretty much the way to go
 

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I hate to say it but I like the Chalice much much better than the RM2 for standard coils .....
I even like the Cyclone much better, and don't mind the juice not feeding back into the bottle .... Its actually a nice change because I can get like 12 - 15 vapes off a squonk compared to 4-5 off on my Chalice attys.

But for ease of build (especially micro) the RM2 is hands down a winner. My only complaints are the flavor is not quite there compared to the other 2 attys I mentioned due to the bigger air hole IMO on the RM2. And there is a good deal of juice that just rides below the ceramic base that can find its way out the air hole on me in my pocket.

The Cyclone can leak a tad out the air hole too but the hole is so much smaller its much more rare ....

And both my Chalice attys never leak a freaking drop ever no matter what I do to them.
 

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I have or have had most mentioned except for Chalice and three types that use ceramic cups with non-resistance wire. Of all I have or have had I prefer the RM2 for vape and ease of build. And it is quality. I used to prefer the tighter draw on ERA and Hornet but after using RM2 for a couple of days its draw is perfect for me unmodified. I'm keeping two Hornets and extra colored caps as they do fit the small catchcups on my Mini Woodvils and I like the looks of the smaller RBA on Original Minis. But for even my workhorse Silver Anodized Original Mini and most others the RM2 wins. With pressure fitted caps on ERA, Hornet, and others, especially on REO that is for rough and tumble, the caps can and do pop off, when REO takes leaps, tumbles, swims, etc. Caps more likely to be lost. I'm drilling out the cap holes, a tiny bit, on Hornets I'm keeping. Aluminum will be easy but the SS is more challange.
 
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I've never used an RM2, I'm allergic to nickel, or chrome plating, everything I use has to be SS, I use a surface on a 14500 mini, & cyclones on 2.1's, the surface is a bit fiddly to coil, but the cyclone, is real easy to coil, never had leaks with the cyclone, at all, I use an o ring the same size as the o ring on the bottle of a 3ml reo bottle, onto the bottom of the cyclone, & screw it down tight, get nothing in the catchcup at all
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Came to the same conclusion, but (other than Tim & Feeder' comments above) not much on this forum re the Cyclone bf on the Reo. Like the look of the Cyclone.

I hate to sound vain but one of the reasons I'd buy a cyclone BF is due to it looking boss on top of a Reo :)

Sue me ;)
 

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I have a modified TF ERA for bottom feeding on my Mini 18490 and the only time I get a juice spill for some reason is lately when I get out of my car with it, I am guessing it is more bc of it being cooler in my car and then hot outside. I am guessing but I love mine and haven't tried a RM2 yet, YET(key word).
 

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I have a bottom feed Cyclone. Since I'm a heavy handed squonking goon, I tend to flood it quite often. So, with the way it drains, the RM2 works out much better for me. I really do like the Cyclone, especially with the airflow control cap. It's well built, it vapes great, and it looks nice. But, because of the flooding it's been relegated to being a standard dripper on my now hardly used Provari.
 

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I have a bottom feed Cyclone. Since I'm a heavy handed squonking goon, I tend to flood it quite often. So, with the way it drains, the RM2 works out much better for me. I really do like the Cyclone, especially with the airflow control cap. It's well built, it vapes great, and it looks nice. But, because of the flooding it's been relegated to being a standard dripper on my now hardly used Provari.

Does the model with the air flow controller cap fit a Reo? I was under the impression it wouldn't fit.



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