Hospital bans electronic cigarettes after woman catches fire

[sherwood865]

Seems like they just can't quit blaming e-cigarettes for everything. Read this NY hospital wrongfully bans electronic cigarettes after patient catches fire - Knoxville Business | Examiner.com

 

[JimzDogz]

It's typical CYA. If hospital equipment were to be suspected as the cause of the incident, the hospital would be liable. The solution is to blame a controversial product and divert attention away from other possible improprieties.

PS : To all those knuckleheads who may wish to beat the system by vaping where smoking is prohibited, your NOT helping our cause.

 

[AgentAnia]

Jumping to the conclusion that the electronic cigarette was the cause of the fire before it is confirmed by the fire department investigator could present a risk for patients of the hospital. By making that assumption, hospital officials are likely not checking to make sure their equipment was not the cause of the incident. Either that, or they are using the highly controversial e-cigarette to cover up the fact that the fire was the hospital’s fault. After all, no hospital wants a multi-million dollar lawsuit on their hands.

Hospital officials have the right to ban electronic cigarette use in their hospital if they choose to. In this case however, e-cigarettes were wrongfully banned because the cause of the fire has yet to be determined.

All in all, a reasonable article, I think. Thanks for posting!

 

[Anjaffm]

Wow! The second positive article about e-cigs that I have come across in one day! Just wow!
Thank you for posting it!

And yeah..... what hospital would not like to blame anything but faulty equipment?

 

[xtwosm0kesx]

All in all, a reasonable article, I think. Thanks for posting!

Wow! The second positive article about e-cigs that I have come across in one day! Just wow!
Thank you for posting it!

And yeah..... what hospital would not like to blame anything but faulty equipment?

Problem is, i'm sure just as many people read the original article this one is commenting on, which most certainly is NOT positive.

Wanna get really mad? Read the comments on the original article, just sickening that we have to share the planet with these self-righteous {MODERATED}.

http://www. syracuse. com/news/index.ssf/2014/04/syracuse_hospital_bans_e-cigarettes_after_patient_catches_fire_while_using_one.html

 

[swampergene]

Hmmm....this story is strangely similar to one that was making rounds in the UK press two weeks ago. I call BS

 

[Nate760]

If an e-cig can start an oxygen fire, then so can cell phones, portable media players, transistor radios, televisions, and any number of other devices that are regularly used in hospital rooms.

 

[Jingles]

I would like to see someone replicate this under lab conditions with a dummy patient. Set the oxygen up, just like it was on the real patient and have the same type ecig in use or just sitting there and see if they can cause an explosion. I bet it wouldn't be easy to make it explode! Do we have any ECF members (vapers) on oxygen? I know people smoke while on oxygen and they are taking a serious risk, but an ecig?

 

[edyle]

Maybe skip the battery?

 

[Jman8]

PS : To all those knuckleheads who may wish to beat the system by vaping where smoking is prohibited, your NOT helping our cause.

You're also not helping the cause of good grammar on a vaping forum.

Oh, and I 100% disagree with your assertion.

 

[tommy2bad]

It's typical CYA. If hospital equipment were to be suspected as the cause of the incident, the hospital would be liable. The solution is to blame a controversial product and divert attention away from other possible improprieties.

PS : To all those knuckleheads who may wish to bow to the system by not vaping where smoking is prohibited, your NOT helping our cause.

FYP I obviously don't agree that we are doing anything wrong by vaping where smoking is prohibited as we are NOT smoking.

 

[Elizabeth Baldwin]

I agree smoking is nothing like vaping! However, when we push ourselves to Vape just anywhere we are going to see bans. We don't associate smoking with vaping, but unfortunately others do. And vaping just anywhere opens a can of worms that will hurt us all.

Nobody should be vaping in a hospital! There are sick people who may be sensitive to the flavors or smells.
When I'm eating my dinner, in a restaurant, I'm not going to Vape because I don't want clouds hovering over me while I'm trying to eat, so I'm sure others don't either! People who are against smoking and vaping will see Vapers vaping and be the first to push for bans everywhere. It's not that I think we shouldn't be allowed to Vape in public, its that some people totally disregard respecting others boundaries. We all know how people relate smoking to vaping...so those who push vaping into public places where they know some people will get mad, well they are the ones adding fuel to the other side.

 

[Jman8]

I agree smoking is nothing like vaping! However, when we push ourselves to Vape just anywhere we are going to see bans. We don't associate smoking with vaping, but unfortunately others do. And vaping just anywhere opens a can of worms that will hurt us all.

Again, this would be "great" argument for not vaping just anywhere outdoors. Well, if the logic were accurate. Usage bans have next to nothing to do with where current vapers are vaping, and yet they are popping up. You underestimate the power of the dark side, er, I mean ANTZ. Concede / roll over on indoors vaping and thanks to you and your ilk the outside places will be all too easy to ban usage as well.

Nobody should be vaping in a hospital!

I have and will again. Hospitals are one of the better indoor places to vape. I'm far more likely to vape there then in a small shop. If I were to go with any person (vaper or ANTZ) into a typical hospital, I believe I could point out around 100 places / spots where it would be perfectly okay to vape.

There are sick people who may be sensitive to the flavors or smells.

Then again, they may not be, especially given fact that there are dozens, if not hundreds, of places in a hospital where sick people are not present.

When I'm eating my dinner, in a restaurant, I'm not going to Vape because I don't want clouds hovering over me while I'm trying to eat, so I'm sure others don't either!

I've vaped in a restaurant twice in the last month. Both times given the okay from staff. Where I live the vapor doesn't linger. Or maybe that's everywhere. I also use cigalike so no massive clouds being produced. Try as I might.

People who are against smoking and vaping will see Vapers vaping and be the first to push for bans everywhere.

All 4 of them? In my experience, the overwhelming and undeniable majority of people (who are not vaping) do not seem even slightly bothered by my vaping in same location they are in. When at friends' houses who are non-vapers, I periodically ask, and always/consistently am told it doesn't bother them. Now, if I smoked around these same people in same location, I don't think we'd be (good) friends anymore. With general public, there are people that may be overly sensitive and think it is hunky dory to pick on vapers just like general public has currently no issue shaming the heck out of smokers for just daring to walk into a place and smell like smoke.

It's not that I think we shouldn't be allowed to Vape in public, its that some people totally disregard respecting others boundaries.

Then as a fellow vaper, I kindly ask you to refrain from admonishing vaping in public as a blanket statement and advocate for vaping everywhere (and I do mean everywhere) with respect.

We all know how people relate smoking to vaping...so those who push vaping into public places where they know some people will get mad, well they are the ones adding fuel to the other side.

The other side, who are pushing usage bans, are getting their fuel from something quite different than actual experiences of vapers in public.

 

[Elizabeth Baldwin]

The other side, who are pushing usage bans, are getting their fuel from something quite different than actual experiences of vapers in public.

Yes they do get their fuel from a number of other things, but vaping in hospitals and other places isn't helping our cause either.

Do what you want, you're going to anyways. But, when its banned you can pat yourself on the back for a job well done.

 

[Jman8]

Do what you want, you're going to anyways. But, when its banned you can pat yourself on the back for a job well done.

I quit smoking cold turkey in the 1990's and then took it up in the 2000's. By the time I returned to smoking it had been banned in so many places, I can count on one hand the places that allow it. But I pat myself on the back as I now know, from reading your comment, that I single handedly caused all smoking usage bans across this planet. I'm special.

 

[Elizabeth Baldwin]

No. You aren't single in doing anything. There are plenty who think they should be able to Vape in a hospital or anywhere. I respectfully disagree with your perspective on this matter.

 

[Little White Cloud]

I say vaping should be cool almost anywhere. I have seen mods make little sparks that would be enough to set off pure oxygen. So around super flammable stuff, not a good idea.

 

[Nate760]

I think some distinction needs to be made between A) people who vape indoors in a respectful and reasonably discreet fashion, and B) people who intentionally draw attention to themselves by blowing obnoxiously huge clouds everywhere they go and who become belligerent and confrontational when someone asks them to stop or do it elsewhere. The former group doesn't make much difference one way or the other. But it's rather naïve to suggest that the latter group (small in number though they may be) isn't causing us all harm in terms of public perception.

 

[Jman8]

I think some distinction needs to be made between A) people who vape indoors in a respectful and reasonably discreet fashion, and B) people who intentionally draw attention to themselves by blowing obnoxiously huge clouds everywhere they go and who become belligerent and confrontational when someone asks them to stop or do it elsewhere. The former group doesn't make much difference one way or the other. But it's rather naïve to suggest that the latter group (small in number though they may be) isn't causing us all harm in terms of public perception.

I agree with this. Though I see it as even more reason to vape (everywhere) in public with respect, to show that the MAJORITY of vapers are respectful.

Show me any large population group on this planet that doesn't have an obnoxious / belligerent subset within its ranks. Letting that subset define vapers as a whole is, IMO, a travesty. And as opposition is poised to pounce upon that subset, it behooves vaping population to get out and get busy with examples of respectful public vaping.

Please don't act all surprised when opposition goes for all outdoor bans as well. You can probably get away with feigning naivete then, but here in this discussion, we will know you actually could see that coming by rolling over on the indoor bans so easily.

And by "you" I mean any vaper that truly believes indoor vaping, anywhere, in public is a problem.