House Dems call for cigar, e-cigarette regulations over 'kid-friendly' products

[stevegmu]

We must all remember that passing the regulations are important to find out what's in them. Only then will we know how they will benefit society- and the children...

 

[Petrodus]

We must all remember that passing the regulations are important to find out what's in them.
Only then will we know how they will benefit society- and the children...

 

[Lisa Belle]

While on We Are Casaa we had a concensus, that their are spies, not paranoia, but people the ANTZ have infiltrating our sites and posing as us who are trying to undermine our togetherness. The last comment is suspect as far as I am concerned, and what was said over there applies over here, watch out for this kind of trickery. Trick or Treat ... seriously, on we are casaa, a guy is on there all fired up about having his credit card compromised by an online vendor. A very angry rant, and it occurred to me that it may not be that at all, but negative shadow casting posing as one of us. Too many are commenting on it. It's impossible without proof for anyone to accuse someone of that, and the thread is on our casaa fb page, where we have been breaking ground as far as coalition and strengthening in our numbers. I am wary of that? If no agrees, that's okay. I just won't respond to what seems the other pointless point of view.

 

[MasterQ]

This whole thing is so flipping stupid!!!

Kids don't have money!!!!!!

Parents for the longest time are responsible for their kids till they leave the house. 18 preferably, and after that they are on your own!

This isn't a nation to adopt our children when they leave the nest!

Stop trying to put this stupid cover story on top of your real intentions and agenda!!!!

Sorry.?..had to add my 2 cents as well.

-Q

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 4

 

[stevegmu]

It is all of our responsibility to save the children...

“So part of it is we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents, or kids belong to their families, and recognize that kids belong to whole communities.”

 

[Vaptor]

All I see is shopping malls stacked full of Vodka with all sorts of flavors in plain sight of children. I guess that's ok.
All I see is shopping malls stacked full of Caffeine products and sold to children. I guess that's ok.
All I see is former smokers being able to stop using deadly products thanks to e-cigs. I guess that's NOT ok.

 

[Petrodus]

Parents need to be responsible for protecting the children...and that is coming from a mother and grandmother

Mommie government today believes it's The State's responsibility.

 

[Psyche]

If you weren't aggravated enough. I wanted to share a couple of things I noticed. With the exception of the tax data I found everything on the CDC site. Apologies if another motivated vaper has done this comparison recently, it was new to me.

Smoking-Attributable Mortality, Years of Potential Life Lost, and Productivity Losses --- United States, 2000--2004
"the total economic burden of smoking is approximately $193 billion per year"

CDC Online Newsroom - Press Release: October 17, 2011
"CDC reports excessive alcohol consumption cost the U.S. $224 billion in 2006"

FASTSTATS - Alcohol Use
In 2011
51.5 % of Americans were defined as current regular drinkers
13.6 % of Americans were defined as current infrequent drinkers

CDC - Fact Sheet - Adult Cigarette Smoking in the United States - Smoking & Tobacco Use
In 2011
"19.0% of all adults (aged 18 years or older), in the United States smoke cigarettes "


According to data here - Tobacco Tax Revenue
In 2011
$17,653,708,000 collected in State and local tobacco tax revenue
and here Alcohol Tax Revenue
In 2011
$6,240,300,000 collected in State and Local Alcoholic Beverage tax revenue

This doesn't add federal excise taxes http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/Content/PDF/excise_type.pdf (I can't make sense of that mess, if you can . Just the length of it is enough for me to wanna gag. Pretty confident tobacco still comes out the higher)
To my understanding,

Around 65% of Americans used alcohol in 2011 and generated $6.24B in tax revenue, purportedly costing society more than $220B in a year's time.

Meanwhile, 19% of Americans used tobacco in 2011 and generated $17.65B in tax revenue, having been estimated to have “burdened” society to the tune of $193B

Wow, that's like more than three times as many people generating only a little more than 1/3 the revenue, right?
While being credited with causing a relatively equal amount of harm to society, correct?

I'm probably just imagining it though right? Unfair taxation being all un-American and such.
They're genuinely worried about the kids vaping....

 

[Lisa Belle]

EXCELLENT

 

[cookiebun]

I haven't drunk anything alcoholic since Bill Clinton won his first term as president.
I just don't approve of drunken, stupid behavior.
Psyche thanks for that info.

 

[The Dingo]

One thing I don't understand is the ban on non-tobacco flavors. "Tobacco" is, in itself, a flavor.

Oddly enough, a very popular brand of cigarettes are processed/cured with chocolate flavoring...specifically, Hershey's chocolate. It is done to mask the ammonia and, without it, these tobacco cigarettes would smell (and taste) like cat urine.

 

[Vocalek]

See CASAA's press release on this topic.

CASAA: U.S. Government Officials Create False Crisis, Mislead Public About E-Cigarettes | Reuters

 

[wv2win]

Why do liberal Democrats want to control all aspects of our personal lives? It's been only liberal Democrats going back to 2009 who have called for either the banning or severe restriction of all vaping. I'm not trying to advocate for the other major party, as I am an independent, but those who like liberal politicians and return them to office is making life miserable for the average citizen. People need to wake up.

 

[Petrodus]

Why do liberal Democrats want to control all aspects of our personal lives? It's been only liberal Democrats going back to 2009 who have called for either the banning or severe restriction of all vaping. I'm not trying to advocate for the other major party, as I am an independent, but those who like liberal politicians and return them to office is making life miserable for the average citizen. People need to wake up.

The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled
and those who have no such desire.

 

[pamdis]

Why do liberal Democrats want to control all aspects of our personal lives? It's been only liberal Democrats going back to 2009 who have called for either the banning or severe restriction of all vaping. I'm not trying to advocate for the other major party, as I am an independent, but those who like liberal politicians and return them to office is making life miserable for the average citizen. People need to wake up.

Democrats want to control SOME aspects of our lives. Republicans want to control OTHER aspects of it. Can't win either way. I am an independent too, but those who like conservative politicians and return them to office are also making life miserable for the average citizen.

 

[Petrodus]

Democrats want to control SOME aspects of our lives. Republicans want to control OTHER aspects of it. Can't win either way. I am an independent too, but those who like conservative politicians and return them to office are also making life miserable for the average citizen.

Someone in another discussion ...
Said the same thing about liberals.

 

[JulesXsmokr]

I only hope that the other 81% of Americans who used to or never smoked realize and see the attacks we and the E-Cig indusrty are going thru.
Being a minority number we have a huge segment of our population that historically doesn't give a crap about most anyone or anything if it doesn't effect themselves. They will just go along with whatever the media or what their favorite pop star have to say about an agenda.

 

[Psyche]

Divide and rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia aka divide and conquer

Elements of this technique involve:

-creating or encouraging divisions among the subjects to prevent alliances that could challenge the sovereign
-aiding and promoting those who are willing to cooperate with the sovereign
-fostering distrust and enmity between local rulers
-encouraging meaningless expenditures that reduce the capability for political and military spending

A little blurb off the net speaks volumes some days.

 

[sqirl1]

How many kids under 18 have credit cards or debit cards that their parents don't monitor? Since online vendors generally don't accept cash, it would seem credit cards/check cards as payment would almost be age verification in itself.

To be fair, these days any kid CAN go to Walgreens and buy a prepaid visa to get whatever they want online, problem is they don't go through all that trouble, the worst you got to worry about is 16 year olds, mostly already smokers who are just getting a job buying them online if they have their own bank accounts. Other than that though, you don't see 12 year olds messing with these. It just doesn't happen. And I can tell you from a nonsmoker who went through a vaping phase's perspective that These aren't really addictive, when I vaped I would use a normal KR808, half the time I vaped tobacco flavors or variations of tobacco (mostly clove, ry4, and 555), and I would buy a 5 pack of cartridges and a bottle of juice, the cartridges would take me about 3 weeks to get through one 5 pack and it would take me MONTHS to finish one bottle of juice, half the time I'd just leave it in my car in the summer and more of it would leak out than I would use in a week, and you know what? That's usually what happens when a nonsmoker experiments with vaping, they don't get into cigarettes, they don't get addicted to nicotine, they mess around with it for maybe a year on and off tops, get over it and forget about it. Now, it's still very important to me that these stay untouched because my grandpa, who on the other hand was a 3 pack a day smoker has been smoke free for a good 2 months thanks to his e-cig, and I would be heartbroken if it got taken away from him and he started smoking again. Let's hope this government shutdown gives us an opening.

 

[Lisa Belle]

I was posting a comment,

First the ANTI SMOKING LAWS and convincing people with authoritarian psuedo science, and not with real science. Second hand smoke, is going to cause deadly diseases, Pretty soon, half of humankind will be eyeing the other, it's a very devisive game to create division for what reason? I am sure economic political science might give us a clue.

You hit the nail on the head! Kerplunk!