the house is scheduled to vote on the waxxman bill today. I just saw this on Fox News. what will happen to our ecis?
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The House will approve the bill. But it needs Senate approval (and the President's signature) to become law. The Senate won't roll over and not fight about this. Probably months of fighting. One senator has threatened a filibuster.
It's a terrible bill .. period. At best, it's good intentions gone bad.
It's a terrible bill .. period. At best, it's good intentions gone bad.
Some woman was being interviewed on Fox (sorry my Closed Captioning and poor hearing interfered in obtaining her name) she blasted Nicotine and related that nicotine was causing all the harm and deaths citing emphasema and some other ones. She mentioned nicotine was not controlled and that now it would be controlled...
The reporters later related that they speculate that relative to analogs that there would be stronger warnings and reduced nicotine
The reporters later related that they speculate that relative to analogs that there would be stronger warnings and reduced nicotine
I just heard that is passed as well. The government always gets what they want. Obama will sign it and the works is about to begin. I only hope that it doesnt effect us that much but i think with the Fda no in control of tobacco. They will make us one of thier many targets. The bill is not open to alternative such as ours becuase it mimicks smoking. This is a sad day in pv history. On a postive note though the pv isnt banned yet.
Now the question remains Is there any hope for a fillibuster?
Now the question remains Is there any hope for a fillibuster?
Sorry.. couldn't help myself
This is not true. A version of a bill passed the House. Now it goes to the Senate for debate.
That explains much.
Take a look at this link relative to the FDA and how it handled vitamin supplements:
Tyranny in the USA: The true history of FDA raids on healers, vitamin shops and supplement companies by Mike Adams the Health Ranger
(Scary!!!)
Tyranny in the USA: The true history of FDA raids on healers, vitamin shops and supplement companies by Mike Adams the Health Ranger
(Scary!!!)
Slim. Remotely possible with heroic efforts at procedural wrangling and an awful lot of luck with the legislative calendar to run out the clock, but slim.
The only reason this did not become law last year was the vigorous opposition of the executive branch at that time, both within the FDA and also including a public vow that the President would veto it. But the current President was a sponsor of this legislation as a Senator, and is an enthusiastic supporter. Prior to the last election getting 60 votes to break a filibuster might have been close. But now, supporters claim they have the votes to muscle it through the new Senate easily with votes to spare, and I believe them.
Elections have consequences; this is one of them. And those consequences have nothing at all to do with the delusions most people on this site had when they voted, if one is to judge by the content of some threads here.
Ingredients are to be strictly regulated, nicotine foremost among them (the intention is that it will be lowered, and lowered, and lowered, eventually to zero). Flavoring will also be regulated (with the intention of making it unappealing). New products and innovations in existing ones will be prohibited without advance approval (which is unlikely to ever be given). Advertising is to be banned (calling all lawyers). Packaging is to be stipulated in detail by civil servants at the FDA. Permitted channels of distribution will also be regulated.
There is also worse legislation in the pipeline, including severe criminal penalties relating to unauthorized transport of products by common carrier (UPS & FedEx & suchlike) or USPS (the mail), among other things, and these proposals are also likely to pass in this Congress, and have vigorous support from the current executive branch, which has stated that the current President is eager to sign them.
Have a nice day.
Duckies thank you for clarifying the current situation.
It was presented, without reference to which house, just as having been passed. This made no sense to me because TB had posted right before me that it would take a long time to get through the Senate... But, then the news kepts saying, it was "vote-a-rama day" and that there would be vots held every 10 minutes on different bills....
So glad I was wrong and so glad you clarified the current state of affairs
It was presented, without reference to which house, just as having been passed. This made no sense to me because TB had posted right before me that it would take a long time to get through the Senate... But, then the news kepts saying, it was "vote-a-rama day" and that there would be vots held every 10 minutes on different bills....
So glad I was wrong and so glad you clarified the current state of affairs
So far one Senator has stated he is considering a filibuster attempt. Not that he definitely will, but that he is considering it. This is a difficult thing to do, and will subject him to much vulgar hysterical self-righteous hate-filled retribution from many sources. If you wish to encourage him, he is Senator Richard Burr, and you could send a word of encouragement to filibuster the expansion of FDA authority to burr.senate.gov You'll have to complete the url, because I cannot post web links.
Mohave's projections are correct. The things coming down the pipeline are going to shut smokers out from buying anywhere but a local tobacco store. No postal shipment of tobacco -- period. No UPS, FedEx, etc. shipment of tobacco to any private residence. No internet ordering. No credit card payment for tobacco. All are claimed to be in the works.
And the FDA has said nicotine is an addictive poison. Since the FDA cannot outright ban a tobacco product, it will demand each tobacco product contain a non-addictive amount of nicotine. Your present smoke, if you smoke, has about 1mg of nicotine per cig. Expect a new rule of no more than 0.2mg per cig. All the tar, none of the kick, nicely wrapped in fire-safe paper.
And new devices like the e-cig stand little chance of approval. A panel will pass on approvals and two non-voting members -- who will "advise" the group -- will be from Big Tobacco. Talk about stacking the deck.
Does Waxman look like a pig? I mean, really. He does. Oinker nose and all ...
And the FDA has said nicotine is an addictive poison. Since the FDA cannot outright ban a tobacco product, it will demand each tobacco product contain a non-addictive amount of nicotine. Your present smoke, if you smoke, has about 1mg of nicotine per cig. Expect a new rule of no more than 0.2mg per cig. All the tar, none of the kick, nicely wrapped in fire-safe paper.
And new devices like the e-cig stand little chance of approval. A panel will pass on approvals and two non-voting members -- who will "advise" the group -- will be from Big Tobacco. Talk about stacking the deck.
Does Waxman look like a pig? I mean, really. He does. Oinker nose and all ...
"Philip Morris USA, a unit of Altria Group Inc., has provided key support for the bill. The company has argued that FDA oversight would create a stable framework to allow companies to make "safer" products." - The wall street journal
"key support" = lots and lots of money
"stable" = monopoly
"companies" = philip morris
I love hearing philip morris talk about now making "safer" products. I could care less about what they do with tobacco because of VPs but dammit we have got to figure something out! Nicotine is not a tobacco product! They're gonna tag team us now....
"key support" = lots and lots of money
"stable" = monopoly
"companies" = philip morris
I love hearing philip morris talk about now making "safer" products. I could care less about what they do with tobacco because of VPs but dammit we have got to figure something out! Nicotine is not a tobacco product! They're gonna tag team us now....
This simply means they will have us coming and going. E-smoking: Tobacco or drug? Makes no difference if this bill becomes law. Alternative nicotine innovations will stop; Philip Morris stock will rise; hundreds of thousands of cigarette smokers will continue to be addicted and 50% will die.
Way to go, House members.
Way to go, House members.
Not that anyone cares, but I'll make a prognostication: The advice on the panel will be heavily weighted towards one specific company, Philip Morris (a.k.a. Altria), and not its competitors.
No sir. He would require considerable improvement to successfully impersonate the noble swine.
I generally don't post thing like this, but I'm not feeling well today,,, we're scr*wed!
Yeah I saw that as well Dr. Jennifer Garner is her name.. she is always the first one they trot out when they need an "Evil Nicotine" story. She was quite uninformed.
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