How do y'all feel about this law?

[Bjorhyn]

I'm constantly checking up on vaping in Colorado, and this caught my eye:

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_27238851/goldens-smoking-vaping-ban-one-many-passed-2014

I'm under the impression it's casting vaping as a whole in the same light as cigarette smoking.
It's overly oppressive in my eyes.

While I can understand the argument of smokers saying "If I can't smoke, you can't vape", but when regulations are passed that include mis-informed studies and opinions it ends up lumping us both (smokers and vapers) together under the same category.

Yes, think it's a courtesy to not vape in somewhere like a restaraunt, school, or library. That seems pretty intrusive, I wouldn't vape anywhere I can't smoke. I do ask if I'd be allowed to if the situation calls for it.
Banning them from all public places sends the wrong ideas.

I also disagree that marketing juice in various flavors, like candy or ice cream, defines it as marketing to children. I can't say I've seen many alcohol companies getting flak for their many flavors.
I'm an adult, I like candy and ice cream (more than I should, to be honest.) Why do I have to be limited to tobacco or coffee flavors?

What are y'all's thoughts on this?

 

[wheelie]

That why we build stealth vapors. Catch me if you can. LOL

 

[Bjorhyn]

That why we build stealth vapors. Catch me if you can. LOL

To be perfectly honest, while I don't disagree with your methods, it's not something I do personally. I'd rather be on the side that puts vaping in a positive light.

 

[Iffy]

What are y'all's thoughts on this?

Eff 'em all! What are dey gonna do... send me to Guantánamo in a trade for five terrorists?

If I get 'caught', it'll be my fault!

 

[Frenchfry1942]

Sad. The town that I live in has had budget problems for a feew years, but we got two new parks. I asked a friend about it and he suggested that it was probably a tax donation/write-off. I really doubt that it came from a government entity.

Anyway, there is plenty of money out there that has opinions and agendas very near by. Many an elected official wants to get re-elected and is willing to support something that he doesn't really care about anyway.

Just blabbing...

 

[Bjorhyn]

Gah, this is so lame. Just another case of someone who cannot think for themselves that writes a massively public article to convince others who cannot think for themselves.

I'm still in disbelief that the FDA tried to classify vaping under their "tobacco product" laws.
It would be easier to swallow of they went to the trouble of sub-secting it under something like "nicotine delivery", although plenty of vapers are on 0mg. How would that factor in?

 

[twgbonehead]

Article makes my blood boil. A couple of .....y customers complain that they can see people smoking while they're sitting in the outdoors cafe of a restaurant, and the end result is banning smoking and vaping on basically any outdoor area in the entire downtown (not to mention smoking and vaping are probably already banned anywhere indoors). I mean, how many areas are there in the downtown that are more than 25 feet from a doorway, and are not a part of any road, sidewalk, park, parking-lot ("public sidewalks and right-of-way" covers pretty much any downtown outdoor space, IMHO).

I suspect the writer of this article has indulged in Colorado's recent openness. Take this quote:

While they are largely seen as healthier than cigarettes, they are blamed for luring young people to a life of potential nicotine addiction with their array of candy-like flavors.

...... Madness, anyone? How can anybody write this crap with a straight face?

 

[Bjorhyn]

Anyway, there is plenty of money out there that has opinions and agendas very near by. Many an elected official wants to get re-elected and is willing to support something that he doesn't really care about anyway.

Just blabbing...

Babbling sometimes solves problems!

That's an interesting observation. Perhaps those are the folks to appeal to.

 

[Bjorhyn]

Article makes my blood boil. A couple of .....y customers complain that they can see people smoking while they're sitting in the outdoors cafe of a restaurant, and the end result is banning smoking and vaping on basically any outdoor area in the entire downtown (not to mention smoking and vaping are probably already banned anywhere indoors). I mean, how many areas are there in the downtown that are more than 25 feet from a doorway, and are not a part of any road, sidewalk, park, parking-lot ("public sidewalks and right-of-way" covers pretty much any downtown outdoor space, IMHO).

I suspect the writer of this article has indulged in Colorado's recent openness. Take this quote:

While they are largely seen as healthier than cigarettes, they are blamed for luring young people to a life of potential nicotine addiction with their array of candy-like flavors.

...... Madness, anyone? How can anybody write this crap with a straight face?

I couldn't agree more.

 

[Cullin Kin]

I'm still in disbelief that the FDA tried to classify vaping under their "tobacco product" laws.
Itnwould be easier to swallow of they went to the trouble of sub-secting it under something like "nicotine delivery", Althoug plenty of vapers are on 0mg. How would that factor in?

I vape 0mg juice (sporadically bumped to 1.5mg/mL when I'm craving some TH). I don't see how this can even be classified as a tobacco product at 0mg. There's no combustion, no ingredients primary to tobacco (unless vaping NET's), etc. I completely agree that it should be filed under nicotine delivery.

The best we can do is to educate the voting public.

 

[KGB7]

Its banned because of "Nictotine" in the juice. If there was no Nicotine in the juice, then this would not be an issue. Plus you have kids who never smoked or chewed tobacco products, are now addicted to vaping.

 

[Bjorhyn]

I vape 0mg juice (sporadically bumped to 1.5mg/mL when I'm craving some TH). I don't see how this can even be classified as a tobacco product at 0mg. There's no combustion, no ingredients primary to tobacco (unless vaping NET's), etc. I completely agree that it should be filed under nicotine delivery.

The best we can do is to educate the voting public.

I hadn't thought about NET's. If anything, the juice should be a better candidate for regulation, not the devices.

Too true. I'm always happy to take a few minutes to educate someone who stops me on the street wondering what I'm doing.

 

[Bjorhyn]

Its banned because of "Nictotine" in the juice. If there was no Nicotine in the juice, then this would not be an issue. Plus you have kids who never smoked or chewed tobacco products, are now addicted to vaping.

If all the juice had nicotine, I could see this being an issue.

I still fail to see the link between kids and vaping, past the fact that's it's essentislky viewed as a fad by them.
It's an electronic, cloud throwing Furby. (Which I would still buy at my age.)

 

[KGB7]

If all the juice had nicotine, I could see this being an issue.

I still fail to see the link between kids and vaping, past the fact that's it's essentislky viewed as a fad by them.
It's an electronic, cloud throwing Furby. (Which I would still buy at my age.)

So the people that vape 0mg juice get vaping license and special hat to wear so they can vape in all public places?


It doesnt matter if its a fad or not, Nictoine is addictive and vaping turns in to a long term hobby.

 

[Bjorhyn]

So the people that vape 0mg juice get vaping license and special hat to wear so they can vape in all public places?


It doesnt matter if its a fad or not, Nictoine is addictive.

If that's what it took to actually get fair disparity, yes. I would wear that hat with pride.

You're missing the point I was trying to make.
Kids are attracted to vaping since they see it as a fad, I'm doubting the flavors make much of a difference.
Yes, nicotine is an incredibly addictive substance, but since there's many varieties of nic-less juice, that's not the problem.
The public sees it as a gateway device to actual cigarettes, although few people actually make that move.

 

[KGB7]

If that's what it took to actually get fair disparity, yes. I would wear that hat with pride.

You're missing the point I was trying to make.
Kids are attracted to vaping since they see it as a fad, I'm doubting the flavors make much of a difference.
Yes, nicotine is an incredibly addictive substance, but since there's many varieties of nic-less juice, that's not the problem.
The public sees it as a gateway device to actual cigarettes, although few people actually make that move.

The article clearly states that vaping is a gateway to Nicotine addiction, not cigs.

And it is a problem, because many kids do want to vape juice with Nicotine. Just looked at the New Members subsection on this forum. Every day a new kid wants to vape.

While they are largely seen as healthier than cigarettes, they are blamed for luring young people to a life of potential nicotine addiction with their array of candy-like flavors.

 

[Frenchfry1942]

Yeah, NY State has just blessed ice cream with up to 5% alcohol. (sigh)

 

[Bjorhyn]

The article clearly states that vaping is a gateway to Nicotine addiction, not cigs.

And it is a problem, because many kids do want to vape juice with Nicotine. Just looked at the New Members subsection on this forum. Every day a new kid wants to vape.

Be that as it may, it's still not accurate (the article.)
As I see it the kids want to try vaping, not nicotine specifically.

 

[Bjorhyn]

Yeah, NY State has just blessed ice cream with up to 5% alcohol. (sigh)

Blessed?
Sounds like an interesting scenario.

I've made milkshakes with Baily's for years.

 

[KGB7]

Be that as it may, it's still not accurate (the article.)
As I see it the kids want to try vaping, not nicotine specifically.

What is the exact % of kids that have started with 0mg Nic and have been vaping for the past year 0mg Nic?

Answer is; it doesnt matter, because in the long run, its simpler to throw everyone under the same bus. You might not like it, but what solution do you have to separate 0mg Nic vapers from the people that vape with Nicotine??