tuberculosis; well since you mentioned it, tuberculosis is one of those INFECTIOUS diseases requiring QUARANTINE, and one of the risk factors to getting it is CHRONIC SMOKING. (and nothing to do with nicotine, btw)
How do you respond to polite criticism?
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tuberculosis; well since you mentioned it, tuberculosis is one of those INFECTIOUS diseases requiring QUARANTINE, and one of the risk factors to getting it is CHRONIC SMOKING. (and nothing to do with nicotine, btw)
I have to respectfully disagree agree about respecting everyone's opinion. Why should I respect some strangers unsolicted opinion of my vaping?
I always respond "in-kind".
One day my 12 year old had a friend over swimming. My wife went shopping and my 16 year old wanted too much money to watch them, so I did. Of course my favorite place to vape is poolside. I overheard the other little girl asking my daughter what I was doing. She told her I was fake smoking. The covnersation lasted all of a few minutes. My daughter's friend ended the convo with well anything going into your lungs is bad for you. My daughter said yeah but I would rather have him doing that than smoking. The little girl responded, I guess so. That was it.
I vape out and about a lot on my MVP 2. I only get looks (stares) but no one ever asks except once at a sports bar and once at a cigar bar.
One day my 12 year old had a friend over swimming. My wife went shopping and my 16 year old wanted too much money to watch them, so I did. Of course my favorite place to vape is poolside. I overheard the other little girl asking my daughter what I was doing. She told her I was fake smoking. The covnersation lasted all of a few minutes. My daughter's friend ended the convo with well anything going into your lungs is bad for you. My daughter said yeah but I would rather have him doing that than smoking. The little girl responded, I guess so. That was it.
I vape out and about a lot on my MVP 2. I only get looks (stares) but no one ever asks except once at a sports bar and once at a cigar bar.
On my good days, I do what OP did and if issue is raised, I ask questions. I'm mostly interested in them backing up the claim, but also open to the idea that maybe they have information I am not aware of.
Other days, when time is short, I say something along lines of, "don't believe the hype."
I find that most people nowadays are much quicker to go for the quick 1 line lie
rather then the 5 pages of truth and documentation 80% of the time
and the news and other media capitalize on this on many more subjects then just ecigs
rather then the 5 pages of truth and documentation 80% of the time
and the news and other media capitalize on this on many more subjects then just ecigs
If anyone gets me started about the imagined dangers of vaping, I won't stop talking.This may sound ludicrous coming from a lazy person but I feel in these matters we are obligated to "right" some misconceptions every chance we get - especially when "they" bring it up themselves.
And I'll either convince them, or they will learn NEVER to bring up the subject again as long as I am within earshot.
These are the only two alternatives in my world.
There are no others.
You should see the look on Mrs. Kodiak's face if she's with me when somebody makes one of those knee-jerk comments to me about vaping. She just walks away now - putting as much distance as she can between us.
I don't know much and don't pretend to... but when somebody wags a tobacco-stained finger at me and begins a lecture on "radiator fluid" or the CDC's amazing influx of nicotine related calls then I politely tell all within earshot to "exit the car" because it's about to get ugly. Do these people think we are idiots? Like we would make a jump from tobacco to vaping at the drop of a hat without learning something about it first?
You should see the look on Mrs. Kodiak's face if she's with me when somebody makes one of those knee-jerk comments to me about vaping. She just walks away now - putting as much distance as she can between us.
Hahahahahaha
Yup.
When an intelligent but misinformed guy (non-smoker) told me at a friend's house that "e-cigs are worse than smoking", my two friends left the table immediately. They knew that this was the trigger for Anja's short but precise lecture on e-cigs 1. Yes. They are worse than smoking. (small pause) For the tax coffers.
2. The smoke of a tobacco cigarette contains approx 2000 substances, 40 of which are said to cause cancer.
3. The vapor of this little device contains exactly 5 substances, none of which are said to cause cancer.
(elaborate at will)
With stupid people, I stop after 1.
With intelligent but misinformed people, I add 2. and 3. - Well, after a little conversation the guy completely agreed with me. Also about the fact that you cannot believe everything that you hear in the media.
Oh, that was at the house of the same friends where an elderly couple, both smokers, saw me vaping and got interested.
At their request, they got two sessions of explanation, demonstration and - of course - using a PV that I had fixed for them, with a nice yummy sweet tasting tobacco liquid. - They have both taken up vaping in the meantime. And the man has not touched a tobacco cigarette for weeks
(the woman is still looking for that perfect liquid, but I am sure that we will find it ).Oh, and a colleague (smoker) who used to grouch against e-cigs (and was treated to reply No 1) got very interested in my PV last weekend and has now shown real interest in starting it himself.
- Yup, do not mess with experienced vapers. You may well bite off more than you can chew
I do not preach. Not my personality. BUT - and I say BUT - do not try to mess with me or tell me silly nonsense
I find that people who offer polite criticism are almost universally misinformed. Especially when they are nonsmokers and don't have any particular interest in researching the issue, they tend to believe what they saw on the nightly news.
In my area there seems to be a pushback by nonsmokers because of the latest study coming out of Roswell (the one that shows formaldehyde being produced from burning coil at an obscenely high voltage) because Roswell is a name that everyone trusts around here. Almost everyone I know knows someone who got cancer treatment at Roswell. So people see the study and think, "it's Roswell, it must be true." They don't know that the study was conducted under conditions that most vapers would find unthinkable, or that Roswell came out with earlier studies proving vaping to be safer than smoking cigarettes (unfortunately those studies are now buried and tough to find). All they see is an institution they trust saying these things are dangerous, and they don't look any further. Since that study came out I've been hearing a lot more direct criticism; before that, if I heard anything it was always something like "well we don't know what's in them." Now people say to me "those are dangerous."
Honestly, I can't blame them. Really think about it, if you never smoked and were from a nonsmoking family, would you give enough of a darn to look into it? Not hardly I'm sure. But that's why I think it's a good thing when someone brings it up to me: then I have a chance to speak against it and dispel some of those myths. I know that some of those people who I talked with the other day walked away thinking about what I said, and some of them may have even had a change of heart. But If they never criticized it to my face, they never would have heard my words
In my area there seems to be a pushback by nonsmokers because of the latest study coming out of Roswell (the one that shows formaldehyde being produced from burning coil at an obscenely high voltage) because Roswell is a name that everyone trusts around here. Almost everyone I know knows someone who got cancer treatment at Roswell. So people see the study and think, "it's Roswell, it must be true." They don't know that the study was conducted under conditions that most vapers would find unthinkable, or that Roswell came out with earlier studies proving vaping to be safer than smoking cigarettes (unfortunately those studies are now buried and tough to find). All they see is an institution they trust saying these things are dangerous, and they don't look any further. Since that study came out I've been hearing a lot more direct criticism; before that, if I heard anything it was always something like "well we don't know what's in them." Now people say to me "those are dangerous."
Honestly, I can't blame them. Really think about it, if you never smoked and were from a nonsmoking family, would you give enough of a darn to look into it? Not hardly I'm sure. But that's why I think it's a good thing when someone brings it up to me: then I have a chance to speak against it and dispel some of those myths. I know that some of those people who I talked with the other day walked away thinking about what I said, and some of them may have even had a change of heart. But If they never criticized it to my face, they never would have heard my words
I'm so fed up with some people's attitudes !!
There's a branch in my wife's family (a retired nurse included, of all people!) who have recently started "berating" me for using the e-cig.
The retired nurse, who has countless times given me lectures about smoking in the past, does not seem happy now that I quit smoking. More than five years ago. Now she tries to lecture me on the "dangers of the e-cig".
All because the negative media is arriving lately at Portugal. And I have seen this same war already, outside of my country.
This is was I do not get: I have used my device for more than five years. In a time the e-cig was really uncommon here.
NEVER have those people approached me to get some proper, scientific info about my device. NEVER have they shown any real interest about it.
Only now, because they have heard some nonsense in the news, they try to lecture me, and warn me about the "dangers" of what I'm doing.
Come on, people!! I have been doing this for almost six years! I have started my research more than a month before I even bought my first kit! (Yes, there were already proper studies done by the end of 2008...) Why, oh my, do you believe you can lecture me on this subject, with your biased, incorrect information ??
There's a branch in my wife's family (a retired nurse included, of all people!) who have recently started "berating" me for using the e-cig.
The retired nurse, who has countless times given me lectures about smoking in the past, does not seem happy now that I quit smoking. More than five years ago. Now she tries to lecture me on the "dangers of the e-cig".
All because the negative media is arriving lately at Portugal. And I have seen this same war already, outside of my country.
This is was I do not get: I have used my device for more than five years. In a time the e-cig was really uncommon here.
NEVER have those people approached me to get some proper, scientific info about my device. NEVER have they shown any real interest about it.
Only now, because they have heard some nonsense in the news, they try to lecture me, and warn me about the "dangers" of what I'm doing.
Come on, people!! I have been doing this for almost six years! I have started my research more than a month before I even bought my first kit! (Yes, there were already proper studies done by the end of 2008...) Why, oh my, do you believe you can lecture me on this subject, with your biased, incorrect information ??
If you are polite, I am polite. I try to educate and refute erroneus information. We are all allowed to be ignorant on some things, but on the other hand, there is no good cure for stupid!
strangers often offer me critique when i vape; what is odd is that no one evar approaches me while i'm injecting turpentine into my eyeballs or eating superglue. even when i wash most of the blood off my hands.
it's just totally random i guess.
it's just totally random i guess.
I agree with you in that we are all permitted to be ignorant about some things.. That being true if one has little or no knowledge of something then they should probably not go spewing word vomit about the subject. Ie. Smokers who lecture vapors
Hi. I usually say, look I smoked 2 packs a day for over 20 some years and cigarettes have HUNDREDS of chemicals in them. Then I say, at least I know what's in my e juice because I make my own. So, I know it's better than the hundreds of toxins that are in cigarettes. !! So I'm doing something better for my health. That's what I say.
I see this as an opportunity to cure e-cig ignorance. Sure none of us know all the details about the hazards of inhalation of e-juice, but my body is already telling me that I am way better off vaping than smoking. I choose to kill em with kindness and quickly explain that I feel better, can comfortably avoid analogs and encourage people who smoke to give it a try. We all have a responsibility to at least put the accurate information that we do have out there and dispel the obvious agenda driven notions about vaping.
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