How is high watts possible ?

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    Wattage directly relates to Build.
    Your tanks simply do not support higher power

    More power requires better Air Flow an Better wicking. Basically more of both. It usually also requires a bit heavier gauge wire to control heat time a bit.(Thin wire heats extremely fast)

    Look to tank designs for a better understanding.

    You forgot and more juice.

    High wattage vaping is nothing more than a way to get you to buy more juice & batteries.
     

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    I suggest you get an istick 50 watt and an Arctic tank with 0.5 ohm coils . This is a great vape . you could visit your local vape store and tell them you are ready to start sub ohming and see what they suggest.

    Out of all the isticks that's the last one I would reccomend.
     

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    I can't see how that couldn't be a very hot vape no matter how much airflow you have.

    If you put those numbers in the Steam Engine calculator, you come up with a Heat Flux of 334 mW/ mm²

    That's HOT


    Its heat flux is 221 (whatever.. degrees???) warmer than my own of 113 (for a 29ga 2Ω coil at 9w) -- that's VERY HOT!!!

    Andria

    Not with a 2mm air hole, and Not with a strong draw cooling the coil.
    It's all about balance.

    These things all affect performance in a big way, but a "chart" can't account for the "airflow" or "draw" variable.

    Don't put so much weight in charted numbers.
    Spend more time understanding exactly how your gear works and you'll get a better experience.
     

    Boden

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    I'll make it simple.

    This build using 30 gauge, 3mm ID, 5wrap, is good to make 8W of heat.
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    This build using 30 gauge, 3mm ID, 50 wraps total is good to make 80W of heat.
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    10x the surface area distributes 10x the heat at the same surface temperature.

    Bottom atty also has 10x the airflow.
     
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    You forgot and more juice.

    High wattage vaping is nothing more than a way to get you to buy more juice & batteries.
    I Vape about 5 ml per day...

    @ 80 watts

    Not always the case.

    Most people compensate for TH and volume per puff with lower nic juice.

    I just vape less often.

    Works for me.

    Tapatyped
     

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    ok.....I guess I have to finally ask, cuz I am confused. If I turn my Provari up quite a bit I get burnt coils....but I hear all this talk about 50 watts, 75 watts.....what the heck?
    the old chart shows. 1.2 ohm coil at 3 volts is ideal ( 7.5 watts )..... So how does anyone cape at 20, 30, 40 or more watts?
    I would like more flavor.....and I have a Nautilus with 1.6 coils.....but am only at 4 volts....and I thought that it suppose to be the best setting...... If I go higher it burns
    What am I missing here
    To be able to run higher watts you have to run lower OHMs! I'm running at 60w with a .15 OHM build that runs at 3.1 volts. It sounds like you're running gear that isn't sub-ohm & probably won't do anything over probably 14w by design! If you really want to go higher watts do the research & find a VV/VW mod & a sub-ohm tank! Look at the sub-box mini by Kangertech, it might be a good place to start! I have found that I end up adj. my watts until my build reaches 3.0v to 4.5v! that seems to be the sweet spot for me!
     
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    To be able to run higher watts you have to run lower OHMs! I'm running at 60w with a .15 OHM build that runs at 3.1 volts. It sounds like you're running gear that isn't sub-ohm & probably won't do anything over probably 14w by design! If you really want to go higher watts do the research & find a VV/VW mod & a sub-ohm tank! Look at the sub-box mini by Kangertech, it might be a good place to start! I have found that I end up adj. my watts until my build reaches 3.0v to 4.5v! that seems to be the sweet spot for me!
    o_O

    I'm running a 1 ohm coil build at 70W right now.
     

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    That seems like an extremely hot vape to me! Steam engine says that's 8.37 volts! What device and atty are you running?

    In theory, you can run 100 volts at 0.1 amp and get 10 watt output. Or 0.1 volt at 100 amp and get 10 watt output.

    Wattage is not about amperage or voltage. Wattage is amperage and voltage. Voltage and amperage is input. Wattage is output - or the effect of amperage and voltage, if you will. To adjust wattage, you only have to adjust either voltage OR amperage. In a mechanical mod, you adjust voltage by adjusting the resistance (and thus the amperage). With a regulated mod, you adjust the wattage by adjusting the voltage.

    "Sub-ohm" is a term that only made somewhat sense in the days when batteries had an output (amp) limit somewhere in the vicinity of what you would get from a 1 ohm coil on a mechanical mod. There is no magical limit or anything in particular happening around the 1 ohm mark. It's just a number. One that does not do anything on its own.
     
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    What does volts have to do with "hot"?
    70W of heat is 70W of heat.

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    To be honest I really don't know how to explain it technically. All I can say for sure is when I've run more than say 5v with any Ohms with whatever watts especially in my tanks it's been way too hot for me sometimes to the point of burning! My Mutation X V4 could probably do it but I'm not sure my mouth could! That's what works for me & I hope you enjoy whatever works for you!

    P.S. Good looking rig!:headbang:
     

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    In a mechanical mod, you adjust voltage by adjusting the resistance (and thus the amperage). With a regulated mod, you adjust the wattage by adjusting the voltage.

    And those regulated mods which won't "step down", I've just discovered, can be *regulated* to a lower wattage just by using a higher-ohm coil. Works great with my new iPV Mini!

    Andria
     

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    To be honest I really don't know how to explain it technically. All I can say for sure is when I've run more than say 5v with any Ohms with whatever watts especially in my tanks it's been way too hot for me sometimes to the point of burning! My Mutation X V4 could probably do it but I'm not sure my mouth could! That's what works for me & I hope you enjoy whatever works for you!

    P.S. Good looking rig!:headbang:
    It's easy.

    W = A•V
    50W at 2 ohm is 5A at 10V
    50W at 1 ohm is 7.07A at 7.07V
    50W at 0.5 ohm is 10A at 5V
    50W at 0.25 ohm is 14.14 at 3.53V
     

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    Voltage and amperage is input. Wattage is output - or the effect of amperage and voltage, if you will.

    This has done more for my understanding of Ohm's Law than anything else I've ever read -- it conceptualizes it so that those of us who get googly-eyed at a string of variables can actually understand what's going on! THANK YOU!

    Andria
     

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    So does that mean the temp of the vape is going to be the same across your examples?

    I could be wrong, my understanding of all this is rather shaky... but I think it does. That doesn't mean that the vape would actually BE the same -- there are a lot of other factors in play besides just the wattage, to define the qualities of a vape, and I think this example begins to illustrate that.

    Andria
     

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    I could be wrong, my understanding of all this is rather shaky... but I think it does. That doesn't mean that the vape would actually BE the same -- there are a lot of other factors in play besides just the wattage, to define the qualities of a vape, and I think this example begins to illustrate that.

    Andria
    Thank you Andria! My problem must be that I started with eGo twists! Because in my experience with all my tanks is that 3v to about 4.5 to 5v is where I like to be at this point! So I use my watts to control my volts accordingly! This may not be the right way but it works for me! Even with my MT with a dual alien clapton build at .15 ohms 60 watts (3.1 volts) is perfect!
     
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