How is temp control different from vaping at lower wattage?

[GeorgeS]

While I'm still "on the fence" between low power "toodle puffing" and high power "cloud chucking", I'm sold on TC.

I still have more than a handful of Aspire Nautilus tanks and low power mod's to mount them on, I like to run 90-100% unflavored VG in my 'main' tanks and 2nd guessing the Aspire juice flow while attempting to avoid burnt (and toss in the trash!) store bought coils could be frustrating. Start adding flavors which may "gunk up" the coils and matters get worse. (one of the reasons I switched to mainly using flavorless)

TC allows me to get a more consistent hit/draw time after time. While I can still "chain vape" and warm up my tanks and mods, the draw is always whatever I set it to. IMHO - a much better experience.

While the high power folks might benefit from actually using LESS power to maintain a temperature, low power folk can benefit from getting the coil reaching temperature faster (in some cases in almost an instant) and a more consistent vaping experience over all. You can still control how much vapor is produced - TC on the coil itself is a much better way (IMHO) to regulate the power delivered to the coil.

Sure, experienced and advanced users may not "need it" and newbies have been getting into vaping without it for years.

 

[EuroChris]

For me, TC is fast ramp up time with no possibility of dry hit. It's also nice when you use a full metal tank, as you don't have to worry about running dry.

Other than that, it's more work. I've got four mods that can handle TC, but I don't use any of them in that mode.

 

[Acer50]

Hi all,
Been a while since I been here the old PC spat it. OK I got myself a smok Xpro m80 plus with a Uwell crown tank. I am really having a hard time understanding this temp control business. Mine came with a N200 temp control coil 0.15 ohm.
First question: What wattage does one vape one of these at?
Second Question: What would be a safe Temp control setting.
The tank runs great on the other sub ohm coils supplies. Just trying to get my head around all this temp control fad.

Thanks people

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Hi all,
Been a while since I been here the old PC spat it. OK I got myself a smok Xpro m80 plus with a Uwell crown tank. I am really having a hard time understanding this temp control business. Mine came with a N200 temp control coil 0.15 ohm.
First question: What wattage does one vape one of these at?
Second Question: What would be a safe Temp control setting.
The tank runs great on the other sub ohm coils supplies. Just trying to get my head around all this temp control fad.

Thanks people

Hate to tell you this but the smok m80 doesnt do proper temp control so you will have problems...

check out this thread..

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...-testing-results.663674/page-11#post-16610934

Its still a pretty decent VW mod and does regulate a bit but the TC is not real..

 

[mightymen]

Who did you say you work for.

The model-T when it came out the best the public had for the price. People were very happy zipping around in a bumpy crazy looking machine - it was the best they had and they loved them. Compared to todays cars we look back and say how were they able to go from X to Y and enjoy it and all that smoke and smell.

Not much different enjoy what you have and what benefit you get from take it.

TC give more control over vaping your the driver use the wire and wick of your choice pick the voltage or wattage you prefer. Want long battery life get duel battery device. NOT READY maybe you'll be happy stuck in a time warp but vaping is going forward, I'd rather look at all the positives and enjoy what I can get from it then be Bo Whoing putting it down.

No I haven't gotten into TC but its available. Because I don't see the need right now for myself I sure do for other people just read the reviews It's the thing, it's here and it's now.

 

[GeorgeS]

I have yet to find an explanation as to how it is a benefit for low power vapers who never get dry or burnt hits. For those pushing high power and low ohms who aren't experienced enough to avoid burnt or dry hits, it may be great, when the technology is perfected...

I'm (was) a low power vapor user. My equipment of choice is/was the Aspire K1, Maxi and Nautilus (mini/full size). The Aspire clearomizers took two different physical sized prebuilt coils or atomizers, one fit the K1+Maxi and the other fit the Nautilus tanks.

Life was good (or so it seemed) 'toodle puffing' at ~4V (or ~8-10w). Unless of course anyone of the more usual problems happened:

• chain vaping seemed to over heat the tank AND the vape - need to let the thing cool off (and rewick some juice) every "x" pulls/draws on the vape
• fiddling with the voltage/power as hit-to-hit the experience would be different. Sometimes the vape would 'fall off' and be less intense and other times it would be more intense.
• cycling through to weak of a vape and burnt wick/atomizer and replacing+priming new one
• factory made coils/atomizers may not be consistent or reliable. The same issue caries over to factory built TC coils/atomizers however TC users may have options before the wick is burnt
  
• 'gunked up' coils/atomizers from to high heat
• "burnt wick" from ineffective juice wicking or simply running out of juice

Does TC fix all the above? Well yes, no. It depends. TC gives the factory built coil/atomizer user options (and information) that they did not have before in VV/VW mode.

While it is indeed possible (on some mods) to use >1.0ohm TC builds but for the most part factory made TC coil/atomizers will need >15w to heat up in a reasonable amount of time. Moving from "low power" VV/VW mode to TC is more like going from low to medium power. Your batteries are not going to last as long firing a TC build then a low power VV/VW build.

When I was using factory built vv/vw coils/atomizers my #1 and #2 complaints were how often I was throwing out the coils/atomizers because of ineffective juice flow causing burnt wick and how inconsistent the vaping experience was hit-to-hit, tank-to-tank.

TC mode on my YiHi mods will tell me when I have ineffective juice flow ("dry coil") and give me the option of making slight modification to the atomizer (some folks poke holes with a pin) or thin my juice out and reprime my atomizer.

With TC I can run my Nautilus tanks BONE DRY without a single "dry hit" or damaging the wick in my atomizer. I can actually use my TC atomizers until they need soaking/cleaning rather than throwing them away from burnt wick (and the unfixable burnt juice taste that comes with it).

While I have mostly moved on to RTA's where I make my own builds, lately I've been rebuilding my K1/Maxi, Nautilus and Atlantis coils/atomizers with Ni200 and Ti builds just for fun. Nautilus users can purchase "Vapor Shark" factory made atomizers at a silly/high price but nobody offers Ti builds for ether the Nautilus or K1/Maxi tanks. (nobody offers Ni builds for the K1/Maxi tanks ether)

With a TC build I can run my K1/Maxi tanks bone dry without a single dry hit or burning the wick. Something that was virtually unheard of when I was using factory Kanthal atomizers.

So YES, TC can be a GREAT benefit to folks used to low volume vaping. It is to bad that the hardware companies are not offering TC options to the low volume users.

 

[Vapeb]

Low power vaping depends on mass air flow and other variable to regulate the temperature of your coil/vape. In other words the temp will change depending on air/liquid temp and how much air you are sucking across the coil.

Temp control in practice is a sound technology and is already used in a lot of applications, though usely in the inverse where the wire is heated to a specific temp which takes x amount of current. When air flows across it, it causes the temp to drop, which causes more current to flow and if you know the air temp you can find the air mass using the current flowing through the wire.

I am a noob to vaping and have yet to use temp control, but I think that it will greatly improve my vaping experience. I cannot wait for my mod to arrive.

Sorry about the useless knowledge.

 

[WharfRat1976]

Low power vaping depends on mass air flow and other variable to regulate the temperature of your coil/vape. In other words the temp will change depending on air/liquid temp and how much air you are sucking across the coil.

Temp control in practice is a sound technology and is already used in a lot of applications, though usely in the inverse where the wire is heated to a specific temp which takes x amount of current. When air flows across it, it causes the temp to drop, which causes more current to flow and if you know the air temp you can find the air mass using the current flowing through the wire.

I am a noob to vaping and have yet to use temp control, but I think that it will greatly improve my vaping experience. I cannot wait for my mod to arrive.

Sorry about the useless knowledge.

And this thread has been dead since October 1.

 

[sofarsogood]

Lots of mods include TC. It doesn't cost extra. There's not much to agonize about. When I got my first TC mod I switched back and forth through a day and thought Kanthal tasted better. Then I vaped TC exclusively for 6 weeks. When I tried kanthal again I thought TC tasted better plus no dry hits on my RDA's. That was the end of Kanthal for me. BTW I care about throat hit, I don't care about clouds. I want less vaper most of the time because I share spaces with other people who don't vape or smoke.

 

[Vapeb]

And this thread has been dead since October 1.

Wow!!! A month and a half, that's really old.

 

[vorian21]

It sounds to me like temp control may prolong coil/wick life in general. I currently use an Eleaf 30w variable and ktank nano. I burn a coil about once a week and vape aprox. 20ml fluid a week. If I'm understanding the concept correctly I can use temp control in conjunction with variable wattage to get the mid temp hit I like without overtemp on my coil and still get cloud output like I want upon stepping up to the big leagues with a rx200 or ipv3 li running a tfv4 tank. Is that correct?

 

[BigEgo]

This is a question I have kept asking myself. How is temp control different from vaping at lower wattage?

So if I vape at 15w or 20w... And if I use temp control at 450f... How is that different from vaping at say 10w or 13.5w? Or whatever.......

It's different because just a few watts can heat up an atty to extreme temps. It doesn't take much.

TC is especially helpful in a tank where you don't have total control over the juice flow/wicking. It's good for drippers if you forget to drip (no dry hits).

However, TC is about so much more than just avoiding dry hits. As was said already, it lets you regulate the draw from start to finish. In other words, the draw is always the exact same temp no matter how long you draw on it. It took me a few days to get used to it. When I vaped Kanthal, no matter how well I wicked (my tanks) the draw always got warm toward the end.

Moreover, the temperature of a Kanthal vape varies much more than people think. Evolv did testing on it and said the temperature can vary significantly within the same draw, especially toward the end when you aren't sucking as hard. Remember that you don't have to actually taste burnt nasty stuff to actually be inhaling decomposition chemicals (formaldehyde, etc.). If the science ever gets to the point where we know harmful and not so harmful temps, then that's where TC will really shine, imo.

With the mods we have now, there's no reason not to build a Ni, Ti, or SS coil and use TC. Just, imo.

 

[Rockwell222]

I use TC about 90% of the time and have been using it just after it took off a while ago. All I use is titanium now because I feel it's much safer then ni200 and it tastes much cleaner for me. With the dna40's it was definitely a cooler vape with pretty much anything you did. That board didn't have quite enough power to give a warmer vape. Now that there are DNA 200s and other boards that allow more adjustment the sky is the limit. I've been building titanium caterpillar coils and staggered fused claptons along with other claptons and the vape is simply amazing. You get a much warmer and denser vape while still having the temp at 420 or so. My DNA 200 is set to 68 watts and 420f and it usually doesn't hit temp protect, and it's that vape I thought wasn't possible with TC. I know with the dna 40 you could set it to like 550 or 600 and have a hotter vape but your really cooking your liquid. TC allows you to find that exact vape you want and keep it there over and over again. I still use kanthal and nichrome when I'm experimenting with new builds but then I usually make them with titanium and I'm more satisfied because of the consistency. TC in the beginning was tricky and gave crappy results sometimes but now the devices are much much better and allow a new user spend 10 or 20 mins and find there perfect vape. The no burnt coils is a nice feature but like many said I very rarely got dry hits from kanthal so it's just a bonus it's knowing when I pick my mod up I know it will be the exact vape I want.

 

[BigEgo]

I use TC about 90% of the time and have been using it just after it took off a while ago. All I use is titanium now because I feel it's much safer then ni200 and it tastes much cleaner for me. With the dna40's it was definitely a cooler vape with pretty much anything you did. That board didn't have quite enough power to give a warmer vape. Now that there are DNA 200s and other boards that allow more adjustment the sky is the limit. I've been building titanium caterpillar coils and staggered fused claptons along with other claptons and the vape is simply amazing. You get a much warmer and denser vape while still having the temp at 420 or so. My DNA 200 is set to 68 watts and 420f and it usually doesn't hit temp protect, and it's that vape I thought wasn't possible with TC. I know with the dna 40 you could set it to like 550 or 600 and have a hotter vape but your really cooking your liquid. TC allows you to find that exact vape you want and keep it there over and over again. I still use kanthal and nichrome when I'm experimenting with new builds but then I usually make them with titanium and I'm more satisfied because of the consistency. TC in the beginning was tricky and gave crappy results sometimes but now the devices are much much better and allow a new user spend 10 or 20 mins and find there perfect vape. The no burnt coils is a nice feature but like many said I very rarely got dry hits from kanthal so it's just a bonus it's knowing when I pick my mod up I know it will be the exact vape I want.

Are you using mostly drippers? I use RTA's and I am having a hard time getting my wicking saturated enough to pull off a 60W @ 420F.

 

[NickVapesEh]

Temp control will stop you from getting dry hits. Thats basically all it does other than setting what temperature you desire. When your wick gets dry it will stop firing. For most devices that is. Some devices will burn the cotton the slightest bit, some not at all, and some will actually burn your cotton pretty badly.

 

[Rockwell222]

Are you using mostly drippers? I use RTA's and I am having a hard time getting my wicking saturated enough to pull off a 60W @ 420F.

I use a lot of rdas but I also love rtas. I have a crius v2 and a v3 to nano billow v2's along with some older things like orchid v5 and kayfun v4. With the Crius's I have titanium claptons that barley fit in there and they wick fine. What I noticed is you have to make the wicking a little thinner at the legs of cotton so the liquid has no problem getting to the coil quick. What device are you using?

 

[BigEgo]

I use a lot of rdas but I also love rtas. I have a crius v2 and a v3 to nano billow v2's along with some older things like orchid v5 and kayfun v4. With the Crius's I have titanium claptons that barley fit in there and they wick fine. What I noticed is you have to make the wicking a little thinner at the legs of cotton so the liquid has no problem getting to the coil quick. What device are you using?

Right now I am using a Crius, but I just got it a few days ago. I either get dry hits or I flood it. It's hard to get the proper medium I need.

 

[Rockwell222]

What I did was wick it a little think and try then go back and trim some cotton out of the wick channels that didn't have air bubbles coming from it. I usually do this 2 or 3 times then it's perfect. All together it takes about 20 mins to wrap coil wick and fix. With the titanium Clapton it took longer because it was a pita to fit it in there. When you get it right you won't want to put it down, I can't believe the flavor I get from it.

 

[AndriaD]

I'm a low-wattage tootle puffer, and the main different I find is that TC won't provide a very satisfying vape at lower temps. Maybe it's the titanium wire, but I found TC vaping very underwhelming, regardless of the temp setting. No TH, and very little flavor.

With kanthal, I can use a 1.7-2 ohm coil at 9-10 watts, and get a very satisfying vape; full flavor, solid TH. My Achilles lets me know when it needs a refill, by subtle differences in the flavor -- at first, flavor drop-off, then a metallic taste; only if both of those are totally ignored would it give a dry hit.

I think TC is just a fad, a gimmick to sell more mods.

Andria

 

[Rockwell222]

I'm a low-wattage tootle puffer, and the main different I find is that TC won't provide a very satisfying vape at lower temps. Maybe it's the titanium wire, but I found TC vaping very underwhelming, regardless of the temp setting. No TH, and very little flavor.

With kanthal, I can use a 1.7-2 ohm coil at 9-10 watts, and get a very satisfying vape; full flavor, solid TH. My Achilles lets me know when it needs a refill, by subtle differences in the flavor -- at first, flavor drop-off, then a metallic taste; only if both of those are totally ignored would it give a dry hit.

I think TC is just a fad, a gimmick to sell more mods.

Andria

I believe for tootle puffers it may not be like your used to but my wife was a tootle puffer to the max and loved it. I introduced TC to her because I felt it is a much more consistent vape and more flavorful. I tried some ni200 builds and she like it but wasn't head over heals for it. I gave it a break and didn't push it on her then I found titanium and I enjoyed using it so much more then ni200. I built her a few ti coils and she was dumbfounded how it was. She uses ti in every rda and almost all of her tanks. I really don't think it's a fad or a gimmick but that's my opinion. It's been great for me a several friends. But I'm not a toodle puffer so that may affect my feelings. Lol