How is temp control different from vaping at lower wattage?

[AndriaD]

I believe for tootle puffers it may not be like your used to but my wife was a tootle puffer to the max and loved it. I introduced TC to her because I felt it is a much more consistent vape and more flavorful. I tried some ni200 builds and she like it but wasn't head over heals for it. I gave it a break and didn't push it on her then I found titanium and I enjoyed using it so much more then ni200. I built her a few ti coils and she was dumbfounded how it was. She uses ti in every rda and almost all of her tanks. I really don't think it's a fad or a gimmick but that's my opinion. It's been great for me a several friends. But I'm not a toodle puffer so that may affect my feelings. Lol

I couldn't find anything about it to like. I guess if someone is used to clearos, then maybe it can give them more flavor than what they're used to. But accustomed as I am to Achilles or Kayfun using kanthal... titanium provides zero TH and very little flavor at all -- and costs more than twice what kanthal costs, and can't be dry-burned to clean the gunk, which means replacing the coil daily -- since it wouldn't vape at all, after the first full day.

That's my answer to the OP's question: the difference is, no flavor.

Andria

 

[Rockwell222]

I couldn't find anything about it to like. I guess if someone is used to clearos, then maybe it can give them more flavor than what they're used to. But accustomed as I am to Achilles or Kayfun using kanthal... titanium provides zero TH and very little flavor at all -- and costs more than twice what kanthal costs, and can't be dry-burned to clean the gunk, which means replacing the coil daily -- since it wouldn't vape at all, after the first full day.

That's my answer to the OP's question: the difference is, no flavor.

Andria

Well maybe it's not for some people that like the 7 to 10 watt vaping style. My wife was in that area but she was usually around 12 to 14 watts and switched over after some time of trying different builds and rdas/tanks. Titanium isn't that expensive it's not that much more than nichrome and SS. I pay about 3.75 to 4.00$ for 30ft of titanium. And I've bought a bunch of different kinds of it. Some of these places are charging over a dollar a foot which is insane. I think people need to try it for themselves with a reliable device and try a few different builds and rdas or rtas to give it a good chance. It's well worth the effort to try it out.

 

[Croak]

I'm a low-wattage tootle puffer, and the main different I find is that TC won't provide a very satisfying vape at lower temps. Maybe it's the titanium wire, but I found TC vaping very underwhelming, regardless of the temp setting. No TH, and very little flavor.

With kanthal, I can use a 1.7-2 ohm coil at 9-10 watts, and get a very satisfying vape; full flavor, solid TH. My Achilles lets me know when it needs a refill, by subtle differences in the flavor -- at first, flavor drop-off, then a metallic taste; only if both of those are totally ignored would it give a dry hit.

I think TC is just a fad, a gimmick to sell more mods.

Andria

It's because you're stuck in your tootle puffer build paradigm, and your apprehension of higher wattage and temps is probably holding you back. Most people with your problem are too concerned about the numbers (and keeping them low, across the board) when they should be focused on dialing in a satisfying vape, then noting the numbers so they can take advantage of the consistency that TC vaping offers.

Just guessing about your preferred Kanthal build, but based on your wattage and resistance, you're likely using 30 gauge wire. Lets say you're making 2mm ID coils with 30ga Kanthal, 7 wraps at 1.7 ohms. At 10 watts, that's a heat flux of 209 mW/mm². With 2mm ID 26ga Ti01, 7 wraps, at 0.23 ohms, you'd need to be at 17 watts to get a similar heat flux. So, you set your temps so that it keeps you around 17 watts once it settles down after preheat and you'll have a similar vape. If you use 2mm 28ga Ti01 and 7 wraps at 0.35 ohms, 13 watts gives you almost identical heat flux as your Kanthal build, so you set your temps so that it applies a steady 13 watts to the coil. Steam Engine is your friend here.

If your mod doesn't give you feedback on what wattage/joules it is applying, then experiment. Crank temps up or down until the vape feels right, don't be afraid of the numbers being "too high". There is no "too high" with temp control (or "too low"), there's just what you enjoy.

Dry hit prevention is just a minor part of what TC offers, and far too many people get hung up on some "magic" temperature setting, overly worried about burning cotton, then wonder why they don't get as good a vape as their Kanthal builds.

Oh, and you can easily and safely dry burn and clean titanium coils, just keep the wattage low (6-8 watts) and pulse it to a DULL glow.

 

[AndriaD]

It's because you're stuck in your tootle puffer build paradigm, and your apprehension of higher wattage and temps is probably holding you back. Most people with your problem are too concerned about the numbers (and keeping them low, across the board) when they should be focused on dialing in a satisfying vape, then noting the numbers so they can take advantage of the consistency that TC vaping offers.

Just guessing about your preferred Kanthal build, but based on your wattage and resistance, you're likely using 30 gauge wire. Lets say you're making 2mm ID coils with 30ga Kanthal, 7 wraps at 1.7 ohms. At 10 watts, that's a heat flux of 209 mW/mm². With 2mm ID 26ga Ti01, 7 wraps, at 0.23 ohms, you'd need to be at 17 watts to get a similar heat flux. So, you set your temps so that it keeps you around 17 watts once it settles down after preheat and you'll have a similar vape. If you use 2mm 28ga Ti01 and 7 wraps at 0.35 ohms, 13 watts gives you almost identical heat flux as your Kanthal build, so you set your temps so that it applies a steady 13 watts to the coil. Steam Engine is your friend here.

If your mod doesn't give you feedback on what wattage/joules it is applying, then experiment. Crank temps up or down until the vape feels right, don't be afraid of the numbers being "too high". There is no "too high" with temp control (or "too low"), there's just what you enjoy.

Dry hit prevention is just a minor part of what TC offers, and far too many people get hung up on some "magic" temperature setting, overly worried about burning cotton, then wonder why they don't get as good a vape as their Kanthal builds.

Oh, and you can easily and safely dry burn and clean titanium coils, just keep the wattage low (6-8 watts) and pulse it to a DULL glow.

No, I use 29ga wire... and it's a limitation of my *body*, not my mind. Asthmatics can't be inhaling infernos, nor hurricanes. I vape the way I do because it's the only way I can vape at all. (heat flux between 125-140).

Andria

 

[Croak]

I'm walking away from this one...horse to water and all that.

 

[Agent75]

I kinda enjoy playing with the settings as the vape experience alters. Keeps me on my toes, so to speak.

 

[Rockwell222]

yeah my wife has severe asthma since she was a baby because her mom smoked ciggs during pregnancy. That's why she used lower wattage for everything but now that we've been smoke free for almost 2 years her lungs are doing better so she stepped it up a little. Temp control kind of helps her because she can control the vape really well. It's all trial and error and usually everyone finds something they like.

 

[KenD]

yeah my wife has severe asthma since she was a baby because her mom smoked ciggs during pregnancy. That's why she used lower wattage for everything but now that we've been smoke free for almost 2 years her lungs are doing better so she stepped it up a little. Temp control kind of helps her because she can control the vape really well. It's all trial and error and usually everyone finds something they like.

I'm asthmatic as well, and two and a half years after quitting I can vape at rather high wattages (well, up to 80w or so, and only if the temp isn't too high. Thank you tc!). Then again my lungs may be used to the abuse as I'm severely allergic to cats and have a cat living in my house (aka the cat lets me live in her house)

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[Nimaz]

I like successive puffs, like 2 quick ones then a break. With Kanthal coils in low voltage setting, my tank is often heating to much with this topography and the temperature feeling of the vapor is quite variable. It's somehow pleasant though as I can adjust my puffing pattern to my taste, dry hit not been an issue for me. It's a bit like taking a bigger and longer puff out of a cigarette to get a higher hit. Sometime its way too much even at low voltage and the coils burnt for good. I first tried factory Ni coils in TC and shifted to Ti RDA. I like the consistency of the vapor temperature and I found the taste of the juices better resolved in my mouth. It gets boring sometime but I still on it most of the time.

 

[Slaminger]

This is a question I have kept asking myself. How is temp control different from vaping at lower wattage?

So if I vape at 15w or 20w... And if I use temp control at 450f... How is that different from vaping at say 10w or 13.5w? Or whatever........

I've seen the videos. Read so many posts and articles my head is spinning. It seems like if you set a temp and wattage, the coil heats up to approximately the desired temp, and cuts power if it needs to in order to maintain temp. According to the videos I've watched the actual coil temp varies greatly from the setting depending on any number of variables, build, atty, connection, etc.

Isn't vaping at a lower wattage kind of along the same lines?

The no dry hit thing, I mean I think the majority of experienced vapers can successfully build their atty to wick according to their vaping style... Are you really getting consistent dry hits to the point of needing "temp control"? If I get dry hit after dry hit, I adjust the wicking to wick better....

I'm trying to understand if temp control improves the vape beyond a standard wattage/voltage setup or is it a fad and or gimmick...? I actually kind of see it more as a selling point for new vapers than appealing to experienced vapers...? (though I just got thru ordering a bunch of dna4os lol)

(I hope that made sense reading it, it made sense in my head as I typed it on this tiny mobile phone keyboard)

I have a sigelei 75w box with TC and Wattage. And I've got an eleaf melo with 0.5 ohm kanthal coil. A triton 2 with 0.4 ohm kanthal. 0.3 ohm. And 0.15 ohm ni200 for TC. As well as a smok tfv4 with tripple, quadruple and nickel coil. So I'll explain my take on it. If you want a longer more tasty hit that is cool you want the temp control. If you are quitting smoking and you want that warm heavy feeling in your lungs you want kanthal coil. The nickel coil tastes slightly better as it never gets too warm. I notice my Atty gets hot faster with non temp control. Also 0.5 ohm coils give better flavor with kanthal but 0.4 and 0.3 give much bigger clouds.

 

[BigEgo]

I'm asthmatic as well, and two and a half years after quitting I can vape at rather high wattages (well, up to 80w or so, and only if the temp isn't too high. Thank you tc!). Then again my lungs may be used to the abuse as I'm severely allergic to cats and have a cat living in my house (aka the cat lets me live in her house)

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I am asthmatic and severely allergic to cats as well. No way could I have one living in my house. I would be taking breathing treatments daily.

 

[Slaminger]

TC is really useful if you like it.

 

[Slaminger]

What I mean is I had to use it a few times to like it. At first I thought the old way was better. You need to get used to it

 

[Frenchfry1942]

Society has been saying that we must have it now and that it should do everything. Bah!, a simple life is much healthier. I know when I am close to empty, I don't need to get the final drop of juice. The resistance of my coil says what temp I like. Getting a faster ramp-up just means I can shove it to my lips faster. Nah, a simple life is not faster.

Vaping is what each of us wants it to be. The business wants us to keep buying the latest and greatest. When my mod answers my phone, maybe.

Vape with class, vape with grace, for it is a blessing not to be smoking. (props feet up on the porch rail)

 

[Slaminger]

Honestly I get better taste from nickel and bigger puffs faster from kanthal

 

[rice721]

an analogy that I read in an online review when TC first hit the market

TC is like the cruise control of cars, while the wattage acts like the acceleration...

As for vaping experience. I find vaping in TC mode to give a more consistent temperature (duh) and some might argue better flavor experience. I can hold down my power button till the device shuts off and still have a consistent temperature in my vapor in TC mode but I wouldn't do this in power mode.

 

[Slaminger]

an analogy that I read in an online review when TC first hit the market

TC is like the cruise control of cars, while the wattage acts like the acceleration...

As for vaping experience. I find vaping in TC mode to give a more consistent temperature (duh) and some might argue better flavor experience. I can hold down my power button till the device shuts off and still have a consistent temperature in my vapor in TC mode but I wouldn't do this in power mode.

Also you don't get that burnt taste, to explain kanthal coils seem to have a heat to wick issue in the sense you can only puff so hard before it can't wick fast enough or its too hot and you get a burnt taste. That has yet to happen with aspire ni200 coils

 

[pyro357]

There is also the fact that you shouldn't. And I mean most definitely never use temp control unless you kno what your doing. For all new vapers that went out and bought a temp control mod first thing. Research it and make sure you understand it first before attempting to use it. ( to most in this thread that have been vaping awhile I'm not aiming this at you. its to all that are brand new to vapers and are thinking of trying it without looking it up.)

 

[pyro357]

Do how would you use say the normal coils in temp control. Pre-made coils for say a triton 2 or can you use those. I have a rx200 and a triton 2 with a coil that can run 45 to 55 watts of power am I able to use temp control with this setup?

 

[KenD]

There is also the fact that you shouldn't. And I mean most definitely never use temp control unless you kno what your doing. For all new vapers that went out and bought a temp control mod first thing. Research it and make sure you understand it first before attempting to use it. ( to most in this thread that have been vaping awhile I'm not aiming this at you. its to all that are brand new to vapers and are thinking of trying it without looking it up.)

I'm curious as to why you think that tc shouldn't be used unless you're educated on it? Sure, knowing which tc mode for which wire and basic temp settings (though most tc devices won't have temp settings high enough to cause real problems), but that's not really any more complicated than watts. If anything, tc will keep you safer.

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