Hey guys. Im sure this has already been posted. By me maybe... I forget. Can I keep vg & pg forever if they are kept inside amber glass bottles in a cool space? Wanna buy enough to last me till im 80. That'll do.
How long for vg/pg
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Forever is a Long Time.
When you say "vg & pg", do you mean Nicotine Base? Or do you mean Pure VG and Pure PG?
Propylene Glyclycol seems to have a 2 year shelf life when stored below 104f and in the dark.
1-2 years for Vegetable Glycerine.
the best info I could find.
Not sure how long if you put them in a freezer.
1-2 years for Vegetable Glycerine.
the best info I could find.
Not sure how long if you put them in a freezer.
Forever is a long time. An infinite amount of time i'd say. But fair enough. How about 54 years? Not nic based ive got my nic separate. Im already saving my nic and im confident it can last for a good while using the same measures. Thanks
Oh no. Gutted. 2 years doesn't seem like a long time at all. Thanks for looking. Anybody on this forum actually stored their vg for over 2 years? And tasted/tested. Thank you
I know that PG keeps well in a freezer. Lots of people mysefl included keep our pg based nicotine in the freezer.
I have no idea whether you can put VG in there or not.
PG does not actually freeze till about -70 or somesuch. It is antifreeze remember
I have no idea whether you can put VG in there or not.
PG does not actually freeze till about -70 or somesuch. It is antifreeze remember
The Reason I asked was that Very Few feel that Pure VG and Pure PG are going to be Effected by any coming FDA Regulations.
Nicotine Base? Yeah... I'm sure there will be Regulations.
The Jury is still kinda out on How Long frozen Nicotine will last? Many say at least 10 Years under reasonable Conditions.
For Long Term Storage, I would Suggest Freezing PG Based Nicotine Base in Glass Bottles with Poly-Caps. And Sealing the Cap with Heat Shrink Bands.
I would Also suggest Freezing lots of Smaller Bottles verses Freezing One or Two Big Bottles. That way when you need to use some, your not Thawing a Big Bottle to pour off a Small Amount and then Re-Freezing it again and again and... Again.
Ok. Maybe I'll jut give it a go and find out that its either lovely or horrible in 5 years. Or better yet. Find good sustainable vg that I can buy long after vaping is outlawed. I bought just your standard vg & pg from ebay. I feel bad now. Cheers guys
K thanks @zoiDman Hopefully the production gets bigger, better and safer neway. So I'll just get going on my nicotine storage. Cheers
I have both opened and unopened bottles of 100 %PG no nic, 100%VG no nic, 50pg/50vg NO nic and 100% PG with 6mg nic and 50/50 with 6mg nic that have been sitting in a closed shoe box stacked in my hall closet (and not moved) for two+ years now and nothing has budged!
As incredible as it may seem even the opened bottles are A-OK!
These are left-overs from when I decided to try DIY-ing afew years back, then rapidly gave up and went back to purchasing pre-made.
Because of upcoming gov REGS (all eliquid or nic containing eliquid limited to 10ml plastic only bottles, nic limited to 20mg) due to hit my western European country sometime next May (at the latest....) I have obviously looked into a future of DIY-ing .....and have started to order and stock some 200mg NIC and, for convenience sake a few bottles of 6mgNIC/PG/VG base .
So..... a few days ago I decided to check my "inventory" so as to know how much more and what exactly I needed to order...so I dug out my shoe box and checked all my "old" 120ml bottles of PG,VG and PG/VG bases = result = all are perfect
!!!!!I have read in the vaper forums that in the "right" conditions ie. amber or cobalt blue glass bottles in freezer, nic containing bases can last at least 5 years (thats the experience vapers have so far,no one has tried longer....) and that pg or vg bases with no nic or flavoring is supposed to last quasi"foverer" in a simple shoebox in "cool-ish" area.
Be careful of central heating in your home though, here in Europe homes are greatly UNDER-heated compared to US standards so make sure to keep it someplace relatively "cool"!
Thanks @cllmda Yeah im from England and I think May is the same month for those regulations here. Would you bother getting more no-nic or flavour pg/vg or do you assume like everyone else that it'll be cool to buy in the future?
Ok. Thanks guys. Its more of a gift to myself because I will have achieved something special on the 26/1/16. I'm not that well accustomed to the tech difference in these higher end mods, so I know it doesn't make sense to spend so much on a mod. Like I said though, its just a present for myself. Maybe
I bought 2 x500ml high 200mg nic and a couple of small 60 & 100ml bottles 100MG Nic . I vape at 6 and 3mg nic,sometimes even zero so i figured it would be enough for several years.Im hesitating on perhaps getting an additional 500ml of 200mg nic just to be extra extra safe and perhaps to help out mates.It really doesnt take up as much space as i thought in the freezer and the low nic "immediate use" bases can be kept in a box in a closet.
I also bought 2x500ml 50/50 at 6mg to have some ready-made handy for immediate use the first year or so
!Living in the UK you should have no prob keeping some immediate stock like that in a box in a cupboard somewhere,I lived in UK for 3+ years while I was at Uni so I KNOW the homes there are definitely never overheated
Dont bother with the flavoring, there's no way they can do anything to that,it's so commonly used for food/baking etc.
The prob with the EU regs is that no one really knows for sure to what extent each gov/country will go (beyond the imposed minimum requirements.).I think Denmark (and another EU country) has already banned EVERYTHING(all nic all ecigs !!!!!!!)I believe nic is now banned in Portugal, from what ive heard from Portuguese immigrants coming back from their holidays back home....the B&M stores are selling the zero nic eliquids then selling you nic from under the counter/the backshop pretty openly!
What IS clear for moderate countries like France & the UK who will probably/hopefully ONLY impose the TPD's obligatory minimum requirements is that NIC will be limited to below 20mg (rough if you're a high nic user!) and eliquids and NIC containing bases will be limited to 10ml plastic bottles!!!!!!.10ml!!!!!imagine how convenient that will be!And everyone sort of expects some nasty taxes added on to the price of anything containing NIC but that's not in the TPD itself .....
Its not clear yet either what will happen to NO nic pg/vg bases ...normally,NOTHING, BUT..even though the govs will most likely not pass any official legislation concerning these items it is very possible that certain mainstream manufacturers will take it upon themselves to do things "to stop them "druggies".... oops ...ecig users... from making their "stuff" with it."
Ive heard that Bo*ts has done that to their VG in certain UK shops = they've added a touch of lemon , lavender scents to their bottles of VG .Someone on UK vapers forum was saying that he was used to buying big bottles of VG at his local (London area) chemist for years and suddenly found ONLY these new scented bottles. He asked the manager who told him that "those ecig users use it to make their stuff with" so he no longer carried the regular unscented kind.No it wasnt an obligation,it was just a suggestion from management that some B**ts shops have followed and others havent. So we can always expect some problems from zealots who feel they have to save the world by going beyond gov legislation!The forum user in question was able to buy his usual big cheap bottle of vg at another B**ts shop.
I would maybe just order one big bottle of whatever PG/vg mix you use or ,better yet,One big bottle of No nic PG and one big one of no nic VG and keep them in a quiet,dark, corner somewhere JUST so as to have a year or so of base handy .No one knows what the effects of these EU regs will really be, maybe it will be a huge prob....or maybe there will be easy-enough workarounds and it wont be too disturbing at all ???
But best have a year or so of stuff handy while you (and we all) figure things out,right?.
Especially since its so easy, unflavored,no nic PG VG ,as i said, keeps very nicely in a quiet box on a shelf somewhere.
Also the EU and the various govs are NOT being very sensible or even LOGICAL about all this.
The Director from Totally Wicked said at the September Vapexpo (which was held in Paris in mid-sept) that his obviously empty ecig kits (the usual starter kits with one ego+ one evod or whatever...) were being branded as containing NIC and the gov thus made him put huge stickers all over them saying "caution contains NIC = TOXIC on skin,really dangerous if you drink it etc etc etc).So,who knows, with that way of thinking they may well brand other things that dont contain any nic as" NIC content"!!!! lol!
Best of Luck & Sorry for the LONG post....
Thanx loads for the extensive post. I only use 3mg as well. I got about 8 years of nic cos I use like 20ml a day (far too much I know). I'm gonna get some more. I wanna have enough to last till old age! Wow, that's terrible about bo*ts. Boo. Don't really wanna get too much vg/pg in. That's a lot of vg if I get enough to last till im 80. Good luck to you to
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