Speaking of knock-off joye batts, why are they knockoff joye? Isn't Kanger the inventor of the ego? Joye would be a knockoff just like a smoktech.
How many Ego batteries have you had break before getting a APV ??
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If anyone knows better, feel free to jump in here. But, as far as I know, both the original 510 batteries and atties and the original eGo batteries were all made by joyetech.
I believe that Kanger was originally only 808 stuff. As in KR808. Then they branched out and started specializing in cartos and clearos.
I believe that Kanger was originally only 808 stuff. As in KR808. Then they branched out and started specializing in cartos and clearos.
That's the impression I was under for quite some time, then someone posted a video of an interview with the owner of Kanger where he talked about how he invented the ego, there were some pics that were definitely eGos, and kanger does still make ego style batteries.
I have no idea which is true, but it would seem odd for the owner of Kanger to just straight up lie about creating the eGo when it would seem fairly easy to prove otherwise, making him and his company look pretty ridiculous.
EDIT to say that when researching the topic I've found people saying that Janty invented the eGo. So now it's either Kanger, Janty, or Joye. I'm so confused, I'm trying to find that video and thread but am having some trouble. I'll report back if I find it. Now that I think about it, it might have been an interview with the Janty guy, not the Kanger guy.... I can't remember. Either way, it was someone other than Joy claiming credit for inventing the eGo.
EDIT again, it was Janty, not Kanger. I have no idea why I confused the two. Anyway, here is the thread about it:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...resident-talks-creating-original-ego-ry4.html
So if Janty invented the eGo, had Joye manufacture it, and then Joye decided to run with the idea and make their own egos independent of Janty, the idea that Joyes are knockoffs just like all the other non-Janty egos would still be correct, wouldn't it?
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I also read somewhere recently that Janty was the inventor and that Joyetech had the original contract to produce Janty's invention.
I would love to know the truth.
But, if Joyetech did manufacture the originals (no matter whose invention it was), . . . .
I would love to know the truth.
But, if Joyetech did manufacture the originals (no matter whose invention it was), . . . .
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Janty designed it. Joye manufactured it. Knockoffs look the same but have cheaper parts and less quality control - different internal batts, different circuit boards, different charge and short protection, different regulated circuits or no regulated circuit, different threading quality, and evidently different glue for keeping them together - making them less expensive - it happens in all industries.
You can get a lemon Joye, just like you can get a "Monday-built" Cadillac, but they're not all lemons. You can get a 'good' knockoff, but they're not all 'good'. If you can afford it get a Joye, or look for sales and coupons on them, or save up for one. If not, get what you can afford. If you want a tube or box mod, or more 'power', get that instead.
Janty/Ludo made the formula for RY4 and Dekang, via their special "Janty/Joye line" actually made it ...and it was good, but Ruyan #4 came before RY4. They are similar flavors - which is likely why Ludo named it "RY4" without using "Ruyan" by name, which in Chinese means 'smoke' and both Ruyan #4 and RY4 have a 'smokey' flavor. Ruyan #4 was formulated by Ruyan (a Chinese company) - the first ecig company, and the flavor later made by Dekang.
You can get a lemon Joye, just like you can get a "Monday-built" Cadillac, but they're not all lemons. You can get a 'good' knockoff, but they're not all 'good'. If you can afford it get a Joye, or look for sales and coupons on them, or save up for one. If not, get what you can afford. If you want a tube or box mod, or more 'power', get that instead.
Janty/Ludo made the formula for RY4 and Dekang, via their special "Janty/Joye line" actually made it ...and it was good, but Ruyan #4 came before RY4. They are similar flavors - which is likely why Ludo named it "RY4" without using "Ruyan" by name, which in Chinese means 'smoke' and both Ruyan #4 and RY4 have a 'smokey' flavor. Ruyan #4 was formulated by Ruyan (a Chinese company) - the first ecig company, and the flavor later made by Dekang.
That will happen with all batteries from re-charing them over time. But the eGo batteries have a lower re-charge life (250- 300) than loose batteries (500 - 700). Plus the eGo batteries cost 2 -3 times more to replace.
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Good option. And if you don't want to go for the vamo, even an e-power isn't bad.
You will have to buy batteries and a charger in addition to the pv if you switch over, but a great way to go. I'm a fairly thrifty (OK, real cheap) person, but when you do purchase batteries and a charger, spend the extra $ and get good batteries and a good charger. I save a bit with DIY and put the extra money in equipment that'll give me a little peace of mind.
i have much more of a problem with *losing* my ego batteries than breaking them...i've only broken one in 2 years (actually, dh did it, darn him -- then again, if i hadn't left it on the couch, he wouldn't have sat on it, lol), but i've lost/misplaced at least 6 of them...which is why i refuse to allow myself to get an expensive mod -- ok, i'll fully admit it: i'm just not responsible enough to own expensive toys!
however, i recently splurged a bit and bought 2 vision spinners, and so far, so good.
very, very good!
however, i recently splurged a bit and bought 2 vision spinners, and so far, so good.
very, very good!
I recently got an eGo-RS from Trueman - still testing it out but so far so good. It has a regular replaceable non-proprietary 14500 batt and an eGo connection (iirc, the e-power requires a 510 to eGo adapter), and you can recharge it on a regular eGo charger or a regular lipo charger...
I don't want to derail the thread. But, I just wanted to say thank you for the info. I really appreciate it. I find it fascinating.
If you happen to have any good links to this kind of history, I would love to have them. You're welcome to PM me if you want so that we don't go too far off-topic here.
As to first ecig company and the meaning of Ruyan:
Electronic cigarette - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As to original 'Ruyan #4':
http://the-rok-star-rebel.blogspot.com/p/history-of-ry4.html
There are other versions of that. I was told by a chinese distributor who seemed to know, that the janty/joye line was a special line made by dekang. That said, I'm pretty sure Janty had at one time a lab in the Netherlands? that developed some of the flavors for that line, but they were ultimately made by Dekang. I actually have some of original Janty RY4 - it's old but still vapes well.
I actually dropped one in a bucket of used 15-40. After disassembly and thorough cleaning it actually still fired. I'm currently using it and will until it quits.
Haven't gone to an APV but never really had trouble with my eGo's until the Twists, my 2 old 650 mah eGo's are almost 2 years old and still working fine, but my I been through 2 Twists, both had button issues. 1 I dropped and the button stuck and while trying to fix it it got pushed in, the second the button just became sunk in but that ones getting replaced. Love the Twist but don't know whats up with the weak buttons when my OG eGo's are plowing through fine (some missing paint but thats just cosmetic) . I'd upgrade but alot of units are like holding a mini LED flashlight or a juicebox. Just too big or strange shaped for my preferences
the Igoish ones I got with my Volcano kit are the only ones that have big the big one. I have a small ego, one with a passthrough connection & 3 twists & they all work fine. of the 3 twists, 1 has button issues but it's had them since I got it so it's not about dropping it or anything. But they've all been dropped a bazillion times. Guess I'm just lucky.
Great information in this thread. The one question that comes to my mind though is why/how is it so commonplace to drop them? I won't say that I'm overly cautious or anything, but I honestly can't see how, or under what circumstances, that I would ever drop my eGo twist?
Zero, I'm still using my original Joye eGo batteries for over a year. I mainly rotate between 4, 2 original and 2 not so original. 1000mah so about 1 a day for each ecig in use. The time they last on a charge has dropped a little but they still work fine.
My complete line up is 2 1000mah standard (the originals, <1 year old), 2 1000mah Upgrades, 1 1000mah Upgrade PT, 1 1000mah Twist. I would guess they're all over 6 months old.
I have had to take apart my Twist a couple times to fix the button. I've dropped all the others but the Twist is the only one that gets knocked out of place.
Judging from how my Twist gets dropped I don't think going to a bigger heavier battery would be a good thing with me.
I'm planning on getting a couple more Joye eGo batteries soon.
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My complete line up is 2 1000mah standard (the originals, <1 year old), 2 1000mah Upgrades, 1 1000mah Upgrade PT, 1 1000mah Twist. I would guess they're all over 6 months old.
I have had to take apart my Twist a couple times to fix the button. I've dropped all the others but the Twist is the only one that gets knocked out of place.
Judging from how my Twist gets dropped I don't think going to a bigger heavier battery would be a good thing with me.
I'm planning on getting a couple more Joye eGo batteries soon.
Aging hands and small object.
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