How many of you are using LR cartomizers on your cigalikes? I would like to get a discussion going.

[HeadInClouds]

I use LR cartomizers most of the time. I've used SmokTech, Boge, and the ones Halo has on their website. I use them on Halo G6 (KR-808D) when I (rarely) use those batteries. I usually have a Boge LR on a 350mAh-450mAh eGo battery, sometimes on 650-900mAh eGo twist. I've wrecked a lot of mini eGo batts from screwing them on too tight, but no other problems.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

I use LR cartomizers most of the time. I've used SmokTech, Boge, and the ones Halo has on their website. I use them on Halo G6 (KR-808D) when I (rarely) use those batteries. I usually have a Boge LR on a 350mAh-450mAh eGo battery, sometimes on 650-900mAh eGo twist. I've wrecked a lot of mini eGo batts from screwing them on too tight, but no other problems.

How well where they working on the G6. What ohms where these LRs. This is for something when the eGos are too large of a device, I know they work fine on those.

 

[NicoHolic]

I have a bunch of Boge LR 510 (2.0Ω) cartos but have never tried a cigalike or disposable. So just for curiosity, I've got a Joyetech 510 65 mm 3.3V automatic battery and charger on order, just for the experience. I'll come back here and let you know how it goes. We're only talking about 5-1/2 watts of coil power, so I'm not expecting much.

Well, the stainless Joyetech 510 65 mm auto battery and charger arrived today, and with a stainless LR Boge carto, it looks very elegant. My wife loves it. She's never smoked but enjoys vaping 0 nic VG with some flavoring.

It's certainly not on par with anything I've been vaping, but it's better than I expected and could keep me off tobacco. The shorter carto condom with the end cut off makes a good, soft grip for the teeth, and I can definitely use it no hands. I'll test it for charge life when I get a chance.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

Well, the stainless Joyetech 510 65 mm auto battery and charger arrived today, and with a stainless LR Boge carto, it looks very elegant. My wife loves it. She's never smoked but enjoys vaping 0 nic VG with some flavoring.

It's certainly not on par with anything I've been vaping, but it's better than I expected and could keep me off tobacco. The shorter carto condom with the end cut off makes a good, soft grip for the teeth, and I can definitely use it no hands. I'll test it for charge life when I get a chance.

I think you would like it better on 3.7v but there is something better perhaps. I may have found what I am looking for.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

I had not realized this but there is a cigalike battery claiming a nominal voltage of 3.97 but someone made chart showing that it is above 4v, they also say it is able to handle more than enough amps. It is more expensive than other batteries but if it measures up it is worth it.

When they arrive I am going to test them out. This might be what I have been looking for.

 

[NicoHolic]

John, my wife's been vaping my stainless Joyetech 650 mAH USB eGos (with 1.8Ω mini ProTanks). Whether in pass-through or standalone, they're 4.0 volts max, and off charge, they decrease from that like a mech. It's a little hot for her. According to Battery University, that -.2V charge should quadruple the number of charge cycles. Anyway, if you've found a cigalike with similar voltage performance, it's probably what you're looking for.

 

[AttyPops]

Since most chargers stop charging at 4.2 volts or less, IDK how that e-cig is going higher than that...it's a function of Li-Ion batteries...going higher kills them real fast. In fact, stopping at 4.1 volts is even better.

So anyone claiming 3.97 "nominal" volts...is playing a numbers game with you. Maybe they just cut off sooner and then just average it out to a higher number. Or it's simply unregulated where others are regulated so you "get" more of the top end at the expense of having to recharge sooner.

The top-off voltage of all these batteries is 4.2. They drop down from there to cut-off voltage (varies...but above 2.6...usually better to cut off at 3.3 or even 3.4 if checking manually) with most of the useful range around the 3.6/3.7 volt area. That's why they are called 3.7 volt batteries.

Got a link to this mystery e-cig?

I had not realized this but there is a cigalike battery claiming a nominal voltage of 3.97 but someone made chart showing that it is above 4v, they also say it is able to handle more than enough amps. It is more expensive than other batteries but if it measures up it is worth it.

When they arrive I am going to test them out. This might be what I have been looking for.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

Since most chargers stop charging at 4.2 volts or less, IDK how that e-cig is going higher than that...it's a function of Li-Ion batteries...going higher kills them real fast. In fact, stopping at 4.1 volts is even better.

So anyone claiming 3.97 "nominal" volts...is playing a numbers game with you. Maybe they just cut off sooner and then just average it out to a higher number. Or it's simply unregulated where others are regulated so you "get" more of the top end at the expense of having to recharge sooner.

The top-off voltage of all these batteries is 4.2. They drop down from there to cut-off voltage (varies...but above 2.6...usually better to cut off at 3.3 or even 3.4 if checking manually) with most of the useful range around the 3.6/3.7 volt area. That's why they are called 3.7 volt batteries.

Got a link to this mystery e-cig?

Actually they have been able to do it for awhile now. Some of it is just a matter if they want a slightly more expensive product. Like several markets it looks like this one has become an hi-lo market. A handful of things at the extreme quality on one end, maybe three layers of quality on the very low end and only a hand full of medium quality products.

I am actually going to test the batteries before I say too much.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

Everything in this area has change for me now.

Look at the discharge figures on these under load. I have been using these and they are the best I have tried so far.

LINK

 

[AttyPops]

Those are good batteries, sure. But it's standard Li-Ion type. Starting voltage is about 4.2. Cutoff is about 3.7.

There was some voltage sag, but that's to be expected particularly with super-mini. The #'s were impressive. However, it's a 3.7 volt battery as far as I can tell. Do they advertise them as 3.97? Maybe they've found an inexpensive voltage pump circuit...but I suspect it's an unregulated battery with a 3.6999 cutoff.

I'd vape em. Hope you enjoy them.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

Those are good batteries, sure. But it's standard Li-Ion type. Starting voltage is about 4.2. Cutoff is about 3.7.

There was some voltage sag, but that's to be expected particularly with super-mini. The #'s were impressive. However, it's a 3.7 volt battery as far as I can tell. Do they advertise them as 3.97? Maybe they've found an inexpensive voltage pump circuit...but I suspect it's an unregulated battery with a 3.6999 cutoff.

I'd vape em. Hope you enjoy them.

What I cannot find anything to match is how long they are staying above 4v under load.

I was also surprised at running 1.5ohms on these things.

Have you seen anything that can beat these numbers in a 66mm battery. If there is I want some. There is real life are holding their punch better than anything I have tried.

 

[AttyPops]

I agree...the #'s look pretty good. Note the autos didn't fire 1.5 ohms.

IDK about specs. You'd have to ask the manufacturer/vendor. Whether they recommend that high of an amp draw...IDK.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

I agree...the #'s look pretty good. Note the autos didn't fire 1.5 ohms.

IDK about specs. You'd have to ask the manufacturer/vendor. Whether they recommend that high of an amp draw...IDK.

I think they said the safety on these tiny high drains is 3.0 or 3.5 amps.

 

[AttyPops]

If we use the 3.5 amp number and the max-charge of 4.19 volts that's 1.19714 ohms and 14.665 watts. wow. Surprising if correct.
Using 3.0 amps at 4.19 volts is 1.39667 ohms and 12.57 watts. Still wow.

But I'd want to verify those amp limits if I were you, just to double-check.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

If we use the 3.5 amp number and the max-charge of 4.19 volts that's 1.19714 ohms and 14.665 watts. wow. Surprising if correct.
Using 3.0 amps at 4.19 volts is 1.39667 ohms and 12.57 watts. Still wow.

But I'd want to verify those amp limits if I were you, just to double-check.

Are all 808's the same?

I am trying to find where I saw that. I did find this. I know they if manufacturers wanted to spend the money they could have used high drain for a while now in these little things. It looks like not many or doing it at this time.

On their company blog that seem to be OK using 1.5 ohms on their two top stick batteries. Technical Info About Replacement Cartos for Tanks | V4L Official Blog

 

[Zealous]

Where your 510's 3.2v or 3.7v

oops. didn't see this question. They're joye 510s so they claim 3.7 but of course there was a test posted here somewhere that shows the are actually lower. But they are advertised as 3.7.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

https://www.vapor4life.com/vapor-titan-soft-touch-automatic-battery

You certainly pay a higher price for these batteries but they seem to be well worth the price difference to me.

 

[AttyPops]

We need to differentiate between "the battery" and "the battery". lol.

The actual battery used inside the device is a 3.7 volt battery...starts at 4.2 volts and goes to cutoff.
However, the device (e-cig power supply) may be regulated to a different voltage. So I suppose we could say that it's a 3.97 average voltage because it's unregulated (follows battery voltage) and cuts off at 3.69999 volts. Or that a 510 is regulated to 3.2 or an 808 to 3.6/3.7.

So post 47 was about the internal battery.

The real questions are "Is this internal 3.7 volt battery any different than others?" and "is there any other special circuitry to 'bump' the voltage?"

I like what I hear about V4L batteries overall. Pricey when I can get an eGo VV power-supply (battery) for the same $$$. So it's about form factor.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

We need to differentiate between "the battery" and "the battery". lol.

The actual battery used inside the device is a 3.7 volt battery...starts at 4.2 volts and goes to cutoff.
However, the device (e-cig power supply) may be regulated to a different voltage. So I suppose we could say that it's a 3.97 average voltage because it's unregulated (follows battery voltage) and cuts off at 3.69999 volts. Or that a 510 is regulated to 3.2 or an 808 to 3.6/3.7.

So post 47 was about the internal battery.

The real questions are "Is this internal 3.7 volt battery any different than others?" and "is there any other special circuitry to 'bump' the voltage?"

I like what I hear about V4L batteries overall. Pricey when I can get an eGo VV power-supply (battery) for the same $$$. So it's about form factor.

The nominal number is higher at 3.96 since it is working in a range of 4.2-3.7 rather than 4.2-3.2. I am wondering if this is a different chemistry.

The feel like a battery fresh off the charger for a long time, actually they seem a bit more than the other unregulated batteries, perhaps even less internal resistance. This is about form factor for me. I have 14mm devices as well as 22mm devices but there are times that is good big, I would like it even more if it were smaller yet but 9.2mm will work.

I wish there was a measure of the actual voltage along with the voltage under load. I was comparing it to a hand full of 14mm devices and it was able get about the same results in terms of vape quality.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

These are making my other 9.2 batteries seem a bit silly. I have big battery stuff in the Provari's so I don't really need 14mm stuff around here. I have the medium sized and small stuff when I want to be hands free or really portable. Reducing things down to just two models of devices can really cut down the clutter instead of supporting three different models.