How many parents have caught their teen sneaking a vape on thier PV?

[Justice]

Ee

I mention this because laws were brought up.

Canada has no law against minors using tobacco products. The USA has some laws in some places forbidding minors to use tobacco products. As it stands now, most places in the US is is legal for teens to smoke. Even a 7 year old can smoke legally in most places. They just cannot purchase cigarettes.

I'll say that again cus most people don't get it.

It is Legal in most places in the US for underage people to use tobacco products. This can also read as It is legal in most places in the US for minors to vape.

There are especially No laws (unless your building has a no smoking clause you agreed to) that will allow a cop to come into your private residence and arrest your underage teen for smoking - or using an e-cig.

People somehow get the impression that because teens cannot buy tobacco products they cannot legally smoke either. In most places, this is untrue.

The FDA knows this. The FDA (or more correctly Our Government) has lived with this for over two hundred years. I mention this to more put a teen taking a vape from a parents e-cig into a more proper perspective. Adults do not have to be afraid the FDA is going to ban e-cigs because of teens who vape. This is silly paranoia. Adults do not have to be afraid of anything except their teen continuing to smoke cigarettes. I think a lot more parents do let their teen smokers vape around them or encourage them to try e-cigs but will not talk about it openly because of some silly fear someone has about the FDA.

I want to live in a world where teen smokers can get the help they need and we all know the e-cig has the best success rate for quitting over anything else out there. Oh but wait.. that's taboo, you can't talk about that.. In the meantime teens are continuing to smoke.

I want us to make this switch from saying " Teens can't use e-cigs so we have to find some other way for them to quit till they are 21 years old - some other way we know wont work but you'll just have to humor us... To saying, Look kid.. I know your only 16 but have been smoking for 3 years.. here.. try this e-cig and switch because it's the best thing we have today that will help you get off those cigarettes.

If I can't offer an e-cig to a teen who really needs it then what good is having it? It's not just a nicotine delivery device or a smoking alternative or a quit smoking tool, it's a potential life saver.

GrandPoobah, Yes, there is a nation wide law that says all e-cig vendors must check ID before selling e-cigs.

tj99959 You Can (sort of) pick and choose which laws you want to follow if the laws are unjust. You do not have to accept laws made by a tyrannical government. Of course they may behead you in the morning, but If you follow your moral compass you can at least sleep well the night before.

I'm not sure where you get the idea that we have no tobacco laws regarding children. Like I would tell anyone disputing the benefits of ecigs it may do you well to do some research before writing your article. Yes we do have very stringent laws involving tobacco and minors the big difference is that our legal age to drink etc is less than most of your states. We do things a little younger here than you do.

 

[PaporPlas]

To be honest. I don't think it's possible for a kid to "sneak" our PV's. Cuz we always gots the dang things in our hands! lol

In all seriousness. I have 3 teen boys (17, 15 & 14). The youngest and oldest are smoking (not a lot, but some). Of course without my approval, but they have picked up that nasty habit! And, I would not even consider letting them vape. Not because it's unsafe, more because they don't need nicotine. I don't let them drink coffee either. : /

Now, before anyone jumps on the "they smoke because their dad smoked". I started smoking last September, long after they started getting into it two years ago. I started vaping to quit the smoking, and have (45 days now).

I explained it here: [ http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/252033-my-journey-vapping.html ]

So, one might argue my kids got me smoking!

But, in reality, it's Big Tobacco's fault IMHO. They target kids. Vaping targets adult smokers - and all of us vapers on here are better off for such.

Nuf said...

 

[PaporPlas]

I mention this because laws were brought up.

Canada has no law against minors using tobacco products. The USA has some laws in some places forbidding minors to use tobacco products. As it stands now, most places in the US is is legal for teens to smoke. Even a 7 year old can smoke legally in most places. They just cannot purchase cigarettes.

I'll say that again cus most people don't get it.

It is Legal in most places in the US for underage people to use tobacco products. This can also read as It is legal in most places in the US for minors to vape.

There are especially No laws (unless your building has a no smoking clause you agreed to) that will allow a cop to come into your private residence and arrest your underage teen for smoking - or using an e-cig.

People somehow get the impression that because teens cannot buy tobacco products they cannot legally smoke either. In most places, this is untrue.

The FDA knows this. The FDA (or more correctly Our Government) has lived with this for over two hundred years. I mention this to more put a teen taking a vape from a parents e-cig into a more proper perspective. Adults do not have to be afraid the FDA is going to ban e-cigs because of teens who vape. This is silly paranoia. Adults do not have to be afraid of anything except their teen continuing to smoke cigarettes. I think a lot more parents do let their teen smokers vape around them or encourage them to try e-cigs but will not talk about it openly because of some silly fear someone has about the FDA.

I want to live in a world where teen smokers can get the help they need and we all know the e-cig has the best success rate for quitting over anything else out there. Oh but wait.. that's taboo, you can't talk about that.. In the meantime teens are continuing to smoke.

I want us to make this switch from saying " Teens can't use e-cigs so we have to find some other way for them to quit till they are 21 years old - some other way we know wont work but you'll just have to humor us... To saying, Look kid.. I know your only 16 but have been smoking for 3 years.. here.. try this e-cig and switch because it's the best thing we have today that will help you get off those cigarettes.

If I can't offer an e-cig to a teen who really needs it then what good is having it? It's not just a nicotine delivery device or a smoking alternative or a quit smoking tool, it's a potential life saver.

GrandPoobah, Yes, there is a nation wide law that says all e-cig vendors must check ID before selling e-cigs.

tj99959 You Can (sort of) pick and choose which laws you want to follow if the laws are unjust. You do not have to accept laws made by a tyrannical government. Of course they may behead you in the morning, but If you follow your moral compass you can at least sleep well the night before.

I don't know about this. I am doing an internet search and everything I find says minimum age is 18 to smoke, not purchase, smoke. What is the Legal Smoking Age?

Heck, my oldest, when he was 16 was given a citation (California) for having a lighter in his pocket. "Minor in possession of Tobacco Paraphernalia" - $598 fine!

Just sayin'....

 

[John Phoenix]

I don't know about this. I am doing an internet search and everything I find says minimum age is 18 to smoke, not purchase, smoke. What is the Legal Smoking Age?

Heck, my oldest, when he was 16 was given a citation (California) for having a lighter in his pocket. "Minor in possession of Tobacco Paraphernalia" - $598 fine!

Just sayin'....

"It is not federally illegal for those under 18 years old to purchase or possess tobacco...only for stores to sell to them. Some individual states have enacted legislation making possession by minors against the law."

Erowid Tobacco Vault : Legal Status

This is just one example. as stated some states, cities have enacted age restriction for use of tobacco but there is no federal nationwide smoking age restriction. I keep coming up with this same info over and over again.

 

[John Phoenix]

Ee

I'm not sure where you get the idea that we have no tobacco laws regarding children. Like I would tell anyone disputing the benefits of ecigs it may do you well to do some research before writing your article. Yes we do have very stringent laws involving tobacco and minors the big difference is that our legal age to drink etc is less than most of your states. We do things a little younger here than you do.

I got that info about Canada from Canadian sites on smoking. Gimme a bit and I'll find and re-post the links.

Could it be that like the post above Canada has no national age restriction at the Government/Federal level and that it is only the provinces and cities that individually have such laws?

 

[John Phoenix]

To be honest. I don't think it's possible for a kid to "sneak" our PV's. Cuz we always gots the dang things in our hands! lol

In all seriousness. I have 3 teen boys (17, 15 & 14). The youngest and oldest are smoking (not a lot, but some). Of course without my approval, but they have picked up that nasty habit! And, I would not even consider letting them vape. Not because it's unsafe, more because they don't need nicotine. I don't let them drink coffee either. : /

Now, before anyone jumps on the "they smoke because their dad smoked". I started smoking last September, long after they started getting into it two years ago. I started vaping to quit the smoking, and have (45 days now).

I explained it here: [ http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/252033-my-journey-vapping.html ]

So, one might argue my kids got me smoking!

But, in reality, it's Big Tobacco's fault IMHO. They target kids. Vaping targets adult smokers - and all of us vapers on here are better off for such.

Nuf said...

So your kids have been smoking for at least two years that you know about.. yet, you don't want them to try an e-cig to get off of smoking - simply because " they don't need nicotine"?

I have to ask.. How do you propose to get them off the nicotine they are hooked on now - knowing traditional methods have such a poor success rate?

You don't think them weaning down the nicotine through e-cigs is a viable option?

Are you content to let them smoke till they are all over 18 years of age before you get them to seek help getting off the cigarettes ( because e-cigs are only for adults) ?

 

[fcitrolo]

The legal smoking age in the individual provinces and territories of Canada are:

Alberta - 18
British Columbia - 19
Manitoba - 18
New Brunswick - 19
Newfoundland and Labrador - 19
Northwest Territories - 18
Nova Scotia - 19
Nunavut - 18
Ontario - 19
Prince Edward Island - 19
Quebec - 18
Saksatchewan - 18
Yukon Territory - 18

 

[Shmoo]

I think possibly my teen has tried my pv...I have one by my computer that's usable most of the time, even if I'm not always at the computer. I know she's experimented with other things, as teens will. We've discussed realities & talk openly. So I've never 'caught' her using it, but I suspect she's hit it out of curiousity at some point.

 

[sethkal]

all teens between the ages of what i think 14-17 try it at some point,

why not educate them before at the age of 14-15 mabye not let them try them, but defently tell them about it.

Saves them from facing the problems we had too.
Make them be innovative and ask for one, that proves they are interested... better then analogs any day, and 0 nic is a great place for starters.