How many would stop Vaping, if they knew it would help the cause?
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I wouldn't cease vaping to support the cause... I see that as further spreading the thought that e-cigs are a smoking cessation product instead of an alternative. If I ever felt like I wanted to stop, and if I ever eventually do stop, however, I would still fully support vapers rights, visit the forum from time to time (I like the community), and do what I could for others.
Yeah post #13 shed some of that light to me... and I am ignorant of the benefits or obsticals that would cause if it spread that thought.
Don't get me wrong, I understand where you are coming from, every idea helps. I'm just saying, it's a bit risky. As an alternative the FDA wants to ban it or tax it. As a cessation the FDA wants to ban it or make it a perscription.
My feeling is that by going on a 'hunger strike' of sorts with the e-cig would end up causing A LOT of high stressed people craving nicotine...
My feeling is that by going on a 'hunger strike' of sorts with the e-cig would end up causing A LOT of high stressed people craving nicotine...
hmmm... then maybe that's the thing... yes I see "hunger strike" would be counter-productive... maybe It should be more along the lines IF you are going to quit completely anyway... would you still help fight the cause and use your past experiences as support....
Ok, I think I understand you better now, lightgeoduck,
(about the +1, +1, +??? )
I think the problem is that thy're not trying to ban ecigs because of non-smokers saying that ecigs are bad.
They're trying to ban ecigs because big pharma and possibly (big tobacco?) are paying lawmakers to do precisely that. It's that simple. I know it's crooked and it seems off topic, but that is why they want them banned.
I don't know if I'm clear in my post now, also. Let's consider this example (just an example ok?
) Suppose that scientific advancement reached the point when ecigs were invented, and lawmakers start saying that they unanimously want them banned because it makes people wear orange make-up in their face. Ok, now, what I think you're saying is would people stop wearing orange make-up if it would save ecigs? And what I'm trying to say is that the lawmakers are getting money and other goodies to outlaw ecigs and bringing up orange make-up is just ... well it's nothing but hollow words. The lawmakers are like movie stars, they are being manipulated to say and vote to outlaw them, that is their script.
Following is a quote from this webpage about funding,
please click on the link or open in new window. Please read it people:
link to the website ---> Anti Electronic Cigarette Funding
(about the +1, +1, +??? )
I think the problem is that thy're not trying to ban ecigs because of non-smokers saying that ecigs are bad.
They're trying to ban ecigs because big pharma and possibly (big tobacco?) are paying lawmakers to do precisely that. It's that simple. I know it's crooked and it seems off topic, but that is why they want them banned.
I don't know if I'm clear in my post now, also. Let's consider this example (just an example ok?
) Suppose that scientific advancement reached the point when ecigs were invented, and lawmakers start saying that they unanimously want them banned because it makes people wear orange make-up in their face. Ok, now, what I think you're saying is would people stop wearing orange make-up if it would save ecigs? And what I'm trying to say is that the lawmakers are getting money and other goodies to outlaw ecigs and bringing up orange make-up is just ... well it's nothing but hollow words. The lawmakers are like movie stars, they are being manipulated to say and vote to outlaw them, that is their script.Following is a quote from this webpage about funding,
please click on the link or open in new window. Please read it people:
link to the website ---> Anti Electronic Cigarette Funding
I'm at the point now where I could stop vaping if I wanted to. I no longer get nic cravings, even after meals, it's just that I have so much juice that I don't want to go to waste. When I first quit smoking, my Tornado batt would last me about 10 hours... now it lasts me a couple of days. That's how much I cut my vaping down.
So, to answer your question, yes, if my quitting vaping completely would allow the uneducated folk to see the positives associated with vaping then I would do it. I'll take one for the team.
So, to answer your question, yes, if my quitting vaping completely would allow the uneducated folk to see the positives associated with vaping then I would do it. I'll take one for the team.
No I understand who's pushing this thing, but if we get more people educated about the benefits of vaping to quit smoking, maybe then we'd have a fighting chance.
duck, IMHO it's this kind of thinking that got us in this mess to begin with (mindless and greedy politicians doing what they're told by big business). It sounds too much like waving a little white flag in hopes of a human understanding, then getting mowed over relentlessy by powerful forces, and then squeaking "but I at least tried another idea." No thanks. I'd rather be one of the people who actually represent and use the device that I'm defending.
that's great.. I am currently using the device that I am defending....
so is it waving a flag... for the ones that do quit... and want to support or be an advocate? or is it better to not worry about it at that point,and become silent because of ones choice to drop vaping as well?
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all it takes is to convince someone with the power to grease the palms of big government....am I right?.....
so are the ones that have stopped smoking and vaping out of the race?
Note: If you don't want to quit vaping... I am not saying you should (heck I don't even know if I will)
Duck,
I think what has happened is you were not clear in your original post and people are still trying to wrap their mind around it. I think that we would all agree that it is a good thing for ex-vapors to continue to support vaping as an alternative to smoking. Current and former vapers understand the harm reduction.
What people got from your original post is: Would you stop vaping right now if it would help the cause of vaping. (NO!) But later in this thread (to me anyway) it seems more like what you are saying is:
If you for whatever reason stopped vaping, would you still support vaping?..(YES!). and also...
Isn't it a good idea if former vapers continued to support our cause?(YES!)
I think what has happened is you were not clear in your original post and people are still trying to wrap their mind around it. I think that we would all agree that it is a good thing for ex-vapors to continue to support vaping as an alternative to smoking. Current and former vapers understand the harm reduction.
What people got from your original post is: Would you stop vaping right now if it would help the cause of vaping. (NO!) But later in this thread (to me anyway) it seems more like what you are saying is:
If you for whatever reason stopped vaping, would you still support vaping?..(YES!). and also...
Isn't it a good idea if former vapers continued to support our cause?(YES!)
Thanks.. I am beginning to realize that
... I edited the original in the hopes that people will read past the first post ... Thank you
I apologize for the confusion... some times I need a boost to get out what's in my head into typed words
Thing is, the real cause is saving and improving people's LIVES. That cause is advanced more by just one person stopping smoking by switching to e-cigs than it would be by 100 of us deciding to stop vaping.
By switching you eliminate over 99.99% of the TSNA's and 100% of the deadly products of combustion. Really, the only thing left is your dependence on nicotine--it's not really even an addiction anymore because an addict is someone who continues to use something in spite of the harm, but there is no evidence of substantial harm caused by the continued use of e-cigarettes. Granted, it is always possible that future research could reveal an unforeseen hazard, but we have no reason to expect that.
By switching you eliminate over 99.99% of the TSNA's and 100% of the deadly products of combustion. Really, the only thing left is your dependence on nicotine--it's not really even an addiction anymore because an addict is someone who continues to use something in spite of the harm, but there is no evidence of substantial harm caused by the continued use of e-cigarettes. Granted, it is always possible that future research could reveal an unforeseen hazard, but we have no reason to expect that.
If I quit I'd still support vapers. But I wouldn't quit to support vapers. The cause is nice, but I didn't pick up an e-cig "for the children" - that's just a nice collateral benefit.
my whole intention with using the e-cig was to stop smoking and to get off of nicotine 100%. if and when i ever get to 0 nic, this e-cig thing will be a distant memory. I really dont see myself continuing to vape forever... who in their right mind would want to deal with batts, atty, cart mods or cartos, eliquid etc forever??
Now that being said, I think i would still be a member of the forum and definately a supporter of all things e-cig, because without them, i would still be a 3 pack a day smoker. Period. I have no doubt that these were the 100% reason i quit. I have used the gum-no success...i have used pills- (still have some chantix in a drawer) no success i tried the patch-no success. I wouldnt have tried all these if i didnt WANT to quit. The only thing that worked, that has continued to work, is the e-cig. I would want all of these devices readily available and legally obtainable for anyone who wants to quit smoking.
Now that being said, I think i would still be a member of the forum and definately a supporter of all things e-cig, because without them, i would still be a 3 pack a day smoker. Period. I have no doubt that these were the 100% reason i quit. I have used the gum-no success...i have used pills- (still have some chantix in a drawer) no success i tried the patch-no success. I wouldnt have tried all these if i didnt WANT to quit. The only thing that worked, that has continued to work, is the e-cig. I would want all of these devices readily available and legally obtainable for anyone who wants to quit smoking.
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