How much water is possible?

[Javamon]

Ok, there was a thread about water a couple of years ago - with lots of jokes. I would have continued there but it eventually got closed.

I know water vapes at a much higher temp than VG/PG. I know Some water gets used - for flavor and PG or VG thinning.

But, what percentage of water is acceptable and still doesn't kill the vaping process?

Yup, I know it will reduce the quality of the cloud.
Yup, I know plain water doesn't taste so great. Water with some menthol flavor does, though.

So, what percentage doesn't kill the chemistry? Thanks.

 

[Robino1]

If you do use water to thin, make sure it is distilled/purified.

A section of the forum that might help you: DIY E-Liquid

I do not DIY and have never had to thin so I cannot help with your question. I can only point you to where you might get the answer

 

[skoony]

Ok, there was a thread about water a couple of years ago - with lots of jokes. I would have continued there but it eventually got closed.

I know water vapes at a much higher temp than VG/PG. I know Some water gets used - for flavor and PG or VG thinning.

But, what percentage of water is acceptable and still doesn't kill the vaping process?

Yup, I know it will reduce the quality of the cloud.
Yup, I know plain water doesn't taste so great. Water with some menthol flavor does, though.

So, what percentage doesn't kill the chemistry? Thanks.

water boils at 212 degrees F. PG boils at 370 degrees F.
VG boils at over 500 degrees F.
water starts vaporizing at about 180 degrees F at which point
it atomizes the rest of the mixture. PG and VG are hygroscopic
and attract water. typically juice will have 1 to 3 % water content
naturally depending on the humidity in the air.
most if not all cigalikes(the prefilled cartridges)contain distilled
water to maintain viscosity and to enhance the vapor.
yes water enhances the vape. percentages of 2 to 3 and up tp twenty percent are
not unheard of.

regards
mike

 

[iilex]

If you want to stretch your dollar trying to make your juice last as long as possible; I suggest buying food grade VG from any reputable online vendor for DIY. For what it is, its ridiculously cheap. This will mute your flavor slightly ( even less so with pg instead), but won't hinder any part of the physical reaction. I actually cut my Cereal Killa with half VG. Still tastes almost every bit as strong, and gives me an extra week on the bottle.

Hope this helps!

 

[Javamon]

It's actually not a stretch the dollar action. It's a health exploration. If I can vape with more liquid and less PG/VG, I'd like to explore that.
Looking for the highest percentage of water that doesn't kill the vape process.

 

[Subdivisions]

I make my own juice and put 8-10% water in some mixes. It smooths it out a little and can help to not dry out your mouth so much.

 

[Warpigs]

I have not tried to add water to my liquid. But seems like something a may do if I'm running out of juice and waiting for my next juice order.

 

[Doctor Marc]

We add about 10% water to our juice to get the viscosity right. I suppose if you put too much water it will wick too
easily and you will flood your coil.

 

[twgbonehead]

It's actually not a stretch the dollar action. It's a health exploration. If I can vape with more liquid and less PG/VG, I'd like to explore that.
Looking for the highest percentage of water that doesn't kill the vape process.

I think you're going down the wrong path here. Better to vape without the water, and keep hydrated, IMHO.

As you add water you will find the vape less and less satisfying, which will make you want to vape more and enjoy it less. And even at 10% water (which is the highest most people would recommend) the drop-off in vapor and flavor far outweighs the minimal drop in PG/VG.

 

[Norrin]

I would think (That's think not know) that you would be able to get the max water if you used a 100% VG (max VG or whatever the pedants are calling it now) although what percentage you could go to would then be a matter of experiment. Skoony's claim of 20% seems high but might be possible, worth trying if you want to though.

 

[vincom]

PG boils at 370 degrees F.
VG boils at over 500 degrees F.
idk that, does it also start to vaporize at those temps

 

[twgbonehead]

PG boils at 370 degrees F.
VG boils at over 500 degrees F.
idk that, does it also start to vaporize at those temps

Boiling is not the same thing as vaporizing!

Fluids that can vaporize go through a fairly unique mechanism. A tiny amount of the fluid boils, but it pulls out with it a much larger volume of un-boiled liquid. This is why VG Vapor does not rip the flesh out of your throat; the vapor is FAR FAR FAR below the boiling point of VG.

Water doesn't do that; it just boils. Inhaling steam is not a pleasant experience.

 

[Subdivisions]

There is something called latent heat of vaporization. It takes more than twice the BTUs for water to vaporize than either PG or VG.

EDIT: At their particular boiling point. Just to be clear. You can't vaporize something if you don't boil it (other than in evaporation which isn't happening here). It's much cooler because you're sucking a lot more air across the coil than you'd be getting through a cigarette

 

[Javamon]

I want to try 1/3 VG, 1/3 PG, 1/3 Water. I'm sure many of you would predict that will fail, but, I'll let you know.

 

[vincom]

im confused now, vg vaporises at its boiling point of 500f and pg at 370f, but the vaporization is lower than boiling temps.
with those temps shouldnt pg be less of a throat hit

 

[twgbonehead]

It has to do with the attraction of the molecules to each other.

With VG, for example, liquid right against the coil gets hot enough to evaporate. But the evaporated gas has a high viscosity, and as it gets shot off the coil, it pulls a big blob of VG along with it. The tiny bit of "hot-gas" vg mixes with the big blob of cold-liquid vg, to make something that is just warm. (Big being a relative term).

Water doesn't do that. When you heat water, it turns to steam, but a boiling pot of water doesn't shoot out big globs of liquid. (In fact, steam itself is invisible; what we usually think of as steam is re-condensed, and has turned back to liquid).

I can't think of a good other example, because what happens when you vaporize a liquid is a pretty unusual phenomenon.

(Of course, here I am strictly referring to vaporizing using heat. A spray bottle or atomizer works completely differently).

 

[Subdivisions]

I want to try 1/3 VG, 1/3 PG, 1/3 Water. I'm sure many of you would predict that will fail, but, I'll let you know.

Interested in your results. I'm guessing your vapor production will be lacking.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Boiling is not the same thing as vaporizing!

Fluids that can vaporize go through a fairly unique mechanism. A tiny amount of the fluid boils, but it pulls out with it a much larger volume of un-boiled liquid. This is why VG Vapor does not rip the flesh out of your throat; the vapor is FAR FAR FAR below the boiling point of VG.

Water doesn't do that; it just boils. Inhaling steam is not a pleasant experience.

I am sorry, you are extremely wrong at it.
Liquid boils as a single unit, not by its components. It's physics. Thermodynamics, if you will.

 

[Alien Traveler]

It has to do with the attraction of the molecules to each other.

With VG, for example, liquid right against the coil gets hot enough to evaporate. But the evaporated gas has a high viscosity, and as it gets shot off the coil, it pulls a big blob of VG along with it. The tiny bit of "hot-gas" vg mixes with the big blob of cold-liquid vg, to make something that is just warm. (Big being a relative term).

Water doesn't do that. When you heat water, it turns to steam, but a boiling pot of water doesn't shoot out big globs of liquid. (In fact, steam itself is invisible; what we usually think of as steam is re-condensed, and has turned back to liquid).

I can't think of a good other example, because what happens when you vaporize a liquid is a pretty unusual phenomenon.

(Of course, here I am strictly referring to vaporizing using heat. A spray bottle or atomizer works completely differently).

Again you are very wrong on most accounts. Water vapor is very visible (chilled for machines, for example). No "big blobs of VG" pulled by vapor, etc.

 

[Javamon]

Indeed it is.

Well, let me say more. It's lacking for people wanting/needing a big cloud. I'm definitely still getting a legit puff of vape.