Hasn't stopped me from picking my nose when I think nobody's looking.
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Hasn't stopped me from picking my nose when I think nobody's looking.
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It's reactions from some in here that confuse the hell out of me.
You see, vapers don't want to be thrown in the same group as smokers, yet some of us don't vape where smoking isn't allowed, as if all the times we've argued the fact that vapor is not smoke is somehow invalid.
So we say that we don't vape in stores, or on public transportation, or at friends' homes, in front of kids, etc...
Some say they do actually vape in those places, which keeps the original argument valid.
So which is it, folks? If you don't want to be grouped up with smokers, then don't act like what you're doing is smoking, regardless of what other people think.
Being passive and/or submissive doesn't make any real progress toward anything, unless you like being stepped on by society.
I, for one, do not.
You see, vapers don't want to be thrown in the same group as smokers, yet some of us don't vape where smoking isn't allowed, as if all the times we've argued the fact that vapor is not smoke is somehow invalid.
So we say that we don't vape in stores, or on public transportation, or at friends' homes, in front of kids, etc...
Some say they do actually vape in those places, which keeps the original argument valid.
So which is it, folks? If you don't want to be grouped up with smokers, then don't act like what you're doing is smoking, regardless of what other people think.
Being passive and/or submissive doesn't make any real progress toward anything, unless you like being stepped on by society.
I, for one, do not.
It's about perception. If we vape outdoors and use e-cigs that do not look like cigarettes, we're more likely to get friendly questions and plant a good image in people's minds. OTOH, we could vape in a restaurant and never know that we upset someone. It's not about being submissive, it's about respecting folks who don't understand what we're doing.
No I wouldn't, but these are not analogs.
It seems to me vapers are hiding in the shadows because of the stigma put on us. We are so used to being the second class citizen that we are not braking away from that and not coming out from the shadows with the e-cig.
When we were in Walmart I was picking up a fishing box to house all our e-stuff (to make sure our dogs never get into it) and the guy at the sporting goods department came over to ask if we needed help. We engaged in conversation with him about the reason for the box and showed him what we were talking about. Turns out he had used the e-cig, and had gone back to smoking, we talked to him about it and he really was interested in getting back on the e-cig. We even demostrated the ones we use. Now we wouldnt push it down anyones throat about it but ingaging in conversation and educating doesnt hurt. The more people that understand the better it will be. And the more people that are on our side the better it will be. There are so many that dont understand what it is and assume its like smoking with the same risks. We dont go out our way ( we is my SO and I) to force conversation eather.
I totally agree!!
I'm not gonna go blow vapor an anyones face or anything. Unless I'm asked to so they can tell if it actually has a smell. And I do wait until there are few people in the same grocery isle as me. I WANT people curious about what I am doing. I WANT the funny looks so I can bring my pv back to my mouth and they can see it is NOT A CIGARETTE!!!
I am so very happy for those that have such a low nic addiction that they can go hours without it. I can't. I don't wanna. The grocery store on a Sunday morning with the Hubby is stressful.
Walmart is a slightly different story. I don't give a dang who all is in the isle with me there. Have you seen some of those shoppers? I mean, if I gotta be subjected to clouds of body odor, they can deal with my clouds of Cotton Candy!!!
I do stealth in the movie theater. But only cuz I don't wann obstruct anyone's view with the vapor.
Without coming off as aggressive, I want to point out that this is where the problem lies. On the surface, we're just being courteous, but underneath is where things look a bit more serious. Let's have a look, shall we?
We, here in America, have a bad habit of catering to the weak, to the point that it brings society down as a whole. I see this attitude as a problem. It is perfectly fine to have manners, and respect other people, but I draw the line where I have to modify my behavior based on what MIGHT offend someone. If someone has a problem, they can come up to me and have a nice civil chat about it.
Let's look at two scenarios here: Each scenario involves someone sitting nearby and noticing my vaping.
Scenario one- the party notices my vaping, and has a problem with it, so they approach me and ask, hell, even demand that I stop. I'll stop. Common courtesy right?
Scenario two- they party notices my vaping, and has a problem with it, so they get all upset and it ruins their day, then they rant about it online somewhere. So what? This coward isn't going to do anything substantial, so long as those of us who do take action ignore their whiny behavior. Nothing happens. I continue vaping, they continue suffering because they are too scared and too weak to do anything.
We need to subtract these thoughts from our behavior. It is parasitic and counter-productive. If you spend too much time focusing on what could go wrong, and why you shouldn't do certain things, then you will never get anything done.
If I was afraid someone might be [baby voice] offended by my behavior [end baby voice] and therefore did not vape in public, then I wouldn't have the chance to explain to so many curious people that what I'm doing is not affecting their health, all the while improving my own, and less people would be so supportive and willing to accept this as a VIABLE alternative to smoking.
Common courtesy always applies, but I believe that the rules for smoking and vaping are different and should remain different, because they ARE different. VASTLY different!
I'd rather walk in a stall after someone that smelled like raspberries than the other smell usually associated with a bathroom stall!
How often do you sneak vapes in a store?
We were in walmart the other night, I was vaping lil'red (like big red gum) and was sneaking vapes here and there. I felt like a teenage sneaking behind my parents back, lol. Nobody saw me that I know of but I did leave behind a nice spicy smell behind me.
Depends on the store. I see people smoking in Walmart occasionally. Hell I even saw someone smoking in a wal greens about a year ago, right there on the aisle in the middle of the store. Smoking here carries a 25 dollar fine, if you refuse to put it out once told. Soo...basically you can smoke or vape until told not to and there's no repercussion.
The Walmart by me has bigger fish to fry. It is open season there! I know the Denny's by me is cool with it. I won't try the chains like Red Lobster or Friday's. For some reason I am afraid to ask there. If I see someone else doing it without hassle, then it is safety in numbers.
I venture to say that every ECF member feels the same, however, that is no excuse for vigilante vaping.
I believe that it is more productive to work with organizations such as CASAA to accomplish our goals, rather than going all Charles Bronson at your local Denny's, but to each his own.
What I dont understand non-smokers have all these rights, they have all kinds of laws made for them. Which is understandable. Smokers have been the made the villian and bad guy and second class citizen.
Vapers arnt smokers they are non-smokers, where is the equality with them now. We have done the work to get off tobacco, and we still are the villian, bad guy and second class citizen.
We have to stay in the shadows because they dont want their sensitivitys hurt by seeing vapor.
Im smoke free and shouldnt made to feel ashamed of using a tool to get me off cig, they dont look at people that use patches or gum or lozenges this way. They are still getting nicotine but no non-smoker is worried about that.
It just makes me a little angry.
Vapers arnt smokers they are non-smokers, where is the equality with them now. We have done the work to get off tobacco, and we still are the villian, bad guy and second class citizen.
We have to stay in the shadows because they dont want their sensitivitys hurt by seeing vapor.
Im smoke free and shouldnt made to feel ashamed of using a tool to get me off cig, they dont look at people that use patches or gum or lozenges this way. They are still getting nicotine but no non-smoker is worried about that.
It just makes me a little angry.
I will admit I have stealth vaped in a few places, like Walmart, though at the mall I actually go outside to vape. I guess some habits are hard to break,
But if you remember, back in the day, everyone smoked! You could do it in doctor's offices, high schools had smoking lounges, restaurants, malls, hospitals. Remember when fathers lit cigars in the waiting room when babies were born? I said it in a prior post, I will say it here. From what I have seen so far, the ex-smokers are the ones who have problems with vaping, and there are MANY ex-smokers out there! Every real nonsmoker (not even one!) congratulates me! I have had doctors, even my hubbie's cardiologist tell me good job!
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