How to check the voltage with a multimeter on the Volt batteries from Smokeless Image

[Kind Head]

How can I test the voltage on the Volt batteries from Smokeless image with a multimeter?

I was able to test the resistance on the cartos, and got 2.8 ohms. Which is exactly what they advertise on the prefilled cartos.
Not sure how to test the battery though. I'm not getting a reading. So I assume I'm not touching the leads to the right places.
I tried toughing a lead on the center part of the battery were the carto screws on, and the other lead to the threading (tried the inner part of the threading, and the outer part).

Where should I touch the leads to get a reading? Do I need to take off the plastic tip where the LED is? Is is possible to disassemble the battery, and slide out the battery and circuit parts? I see a plastic or rubber piece in there (holding the LED in place I guess). I didn't want to try and pull that out without asking first. I didn't want to break it or screw anything up. I have a little knowledge with electronic and digital circuits. I like to take things apart and understand how they work. Figured I should ask first, because I wasn't sure if that plastic piece I'm seeing is glued in there. Didn't want to ruin it by prying it out.

Anyone care to give me a quick explanation of how they are assembled?

Also, does anyone know about the blank cartos from Smokeless Image. The website doesn't mention the ohms or any specifications on the blank cartos in the product description. Are these cartos exactly the same as the pre-filled ones?

 

[juicejunky]

Did you switch your meter over to measure voltage instead of ohms? On mine it is V= and green and I point it to the 200.


Not sure what to do on Volts. I assume you do the same as on the cartomizer, center and thread edges. Not sure if you have to push the button for a reading. Someone who knows more sill hopefully drop by. I just thought I'd tell you what I know.

 

[Kind Head]

Did you switch your meter over to measure voltage instead of ohms? On mine it is V= and green and I point it to the 200.


Not sure what to do on Volts. I assume you do the same as on the cartomizer, center and thread edges. Not sure if you have to push the button for a reading. Someone who knows more sill hopefully drop by. I just thought I'd tell you what I know.

I know I'm use the right setting on the meter. I'm measuring volts dc and not ohms. There is no button, it's automatic. I can't really draw air through it while trying to hold the leads to the battery.

 

[juicejunky]

I know I'm use the right setting on the meter. I'm measuring volts dc and not ohms. There is no button, it's automatic. I can't really draw air through it while trying to hold the leads to the battery.

Yeah that is a challenge. Ijust tried it on my KR808 auto and I can do it by sucking on the plastic led end pulling air through. I know nothing about Volts.

 

[Peezy]

ya I just bought one too.. well technically I got it for free but I have no idea how to use it

can someone post pics of the settings for testing volts on a battery, then how to test a carto

 

[Kind Head]

Yeah that is a challenge. Ijust tried it on my KR808 auto and I can do it by sucking on the plastic led end pulling air through. I know nothing about Volts.

I am told the Volt from Smokeless Image is a KR808D battery, are they the same KR808 & KR808D ?

Are you suck air on the LED end, and holding the test leads at the other end (carto end, with threads)?

Also, can you slide out the battery and circuit from the battery housing?

 

[hairball]

You're going to have to figure out a way to get the battery to turn on but other than that, you're doing it right from what I've read.

 

[Kind Head]

You're going to have to figure out a way to get the battery to turn on but other than that, you're doing it right from what I've read.

Thanks. Im not at home right now, but when I get back I'll give it a shot. I might need to have someone else hold the leads for me while I inhale. I was also hoping I could slide out the battery and circuits from the housing. Then I could for sure test the battery.

 

[juicejunky]

I am told the Volt from Smokeless Image is a KR808D battery, are they the same KR808 & KR808D ?

Are you suck air on the LED end, and holding the test leads at the other end (carto end, with threads)?

Also, can you slide out the battery and circuit from the battery housing?

Aren't you adventurous ? WHy do you want to test the battery so bad? Seems like a lot of work.

Yes the air gets sucked up through the space around the plastic led cover. I hold the leads on the other side. My mouth is basically hold the battery up.

If you do it in front of a mirror you will see the led light.

 

[Kind Head]

Aren't you adventurous ? WHy do you want to test the battery so bad? Seems like a lot of work.

Yes the air gets sucked up through the space around the plastic led cover. I hold the leads on the other side. My mouth is basically hold the battery up.

If you do it in front of a mirror you will see the led light.

Adventurous...I guess so. I'm just a little bit of a geek. I took some digital circuit & electronic courses a few years back. I just like to take everything I own apart. Especially when it voids a warranty, LOL. I like to learn and understand how things work, and to do that I need to take it apart. I will probably end up doing it anyway, but was hoping someone already has, so they could tell me if it's ok to pry out the plastic piece holding the LED in place. Was just worried it mught be glued in place, and I wouldn't be able to reassemble it back right. But sometimes you just have to take risks when taking things apart and hope for the best when you reassemble.

 

[Kind Head]

ya I just bought one too.. well technically I got it for free but I have no idea how to use it

can someone post pics of the settings for testing volts on a battery, then how to test a carto

I will try and take a picture of how to test the carto for ohms tomorrow if you want. But it won't be till sometime tomorrow afternoon when I'm back home.
I'll try to take a pic of the battery test too if I get it to work.

 

[Peezy]

nice.. thanks

 

[Bozzlite]

I am told the Volt from Smokeless Image is a KR808D battery, are they the same KR808 & KR808D ?

KR808 is probably just a short name for the KR808D-1. Be aware that there is also a KR808D-2, which is not compatible with the -1.

BTW, you might want to post your question in the General Smoking Forum, in the Model Specific subforum. There is a section there dedicated to the kr808D-1

 

[Alac]

Stop at McDonalds and get a straw, place the straw, poke holes in said straw to allow the mwter's leads to poke through.
get the leads to tuch threadeded part and the other on center post.

Alternetly, leads touching on same points, blow through the LED side.
This may not be the best on the auto switch, but it has to be safer thien takeing battery apart.

 

[dormouse]

I think you can't measure with a multimeter if they are switching regulated. Volt/Bloog/Halocigs G6 say they are regulated 3.6v and if they are switching regulated then the power would oscillate between two 2 levels and could only be seen on an oscilloscope. That's how Ego is.

If it is some other kind of regulation then maybe you can measure it with a multimeter. though certainly it would be easier with a manual battery.

The V4L ones seem to be unregulated 3.7v and come off the charger higher.

And any battery has a curve, coming off the charger hotter, then doing a brief steep drop to their stated voltage. then a long plateau which is slanted downwards a bit. How much slant depends on the battery - with mods, AW IMR batteries have less slanted plateau and less drop-off in voltage than Lithium Ions. And regulated batteries may sacrifice some voltage to have a somewhat flatter plateau. Then near the end of the charge, the voltage drops steeply.

So measuring a battery fresh off the charge or near the end of its charge does not mean the battery is that voltage. And for ecig use batteries are usually tested with an ohms load on them because what matters is how well does their voltage hold up under a load.

 

[DarkAynjil]

I think you can't measure with a multimeter if they are switching regulated. Volt/Bloog/Halocigs G6 say they are regulated 3.6v and if they are switching regulated then the power would oscillate between two 2 levels and could only be seen on an oscilloscope. That's how Ego is.

If it is some other kind of regulation then maybe you can measure it with a multimeter. though certainly it would be easier with a manual battery.

The V4L ones seem to be unregulated 3.7v and come off the charger higher.

And any battery has a curve, coming off the charger hotter, then doing a brief steep drop to their stated voltage. then a long plateau which is slanted downwards a bit. How much slant depends on the battery - with mods, AW IMR batteries have less slanted plateau and less drop-off in voltage than Lithium Ions. And regulated batteries may sacrifice some voltage to have a somewhat flatter plateau. Then near the end of the charge, the voltage drops steeply.

So measuring a battery fresh off the charge or near the end of its charge does not man the battery is that voltage. And for ecig use batteries are usually tested with an ohms load on them because what matters is how well does their voltage hold up under a load.

Not true. I measure my Ego Batteries with a Fluke 117 and 115 series dmm all day long. Just touch black lead to negative (case or outer threads) and red to the center, hit the switch, and there's your ego voltage.

If the battery is switching regulated you'll still be able to meter it - if it is a slow oscillation (which is unlikely), you can meter it like ac by switching the meter from vdc to vac.

IMO, you just need to activate the pressure switch to get your reading. Blowing from the other end is how I metered my auto batteries when I had a Joye 510. I don't know if the Volt is made differently, but I imagine it is basically the same as any kr808d battery. You should be able to blow through the led end (gently) to make it "fire".

 

[dormouse]

Re Ego - But is what you measure accurate? The oscilloscope shows the Ego's power oscillating between I think 3.2 and 3.6 to create an average of 3.4v. With a multimeter, you don't know which you will catch.

Of course some clone Egos are not even Egos - I know one person bought one that seemed to be an Eastmall style Riva and the current Eastmall Rivas are 3.7v unregulated.

Here is a HUGE thread. Somewhere in there the guy puts a real Ego on an oscilloscope
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/joye-510/65055-battery-voltages-surprise.html

Maybe you can find it by doing a thread search for oscilloscope

 

[Kind Head]

ya I just bought one too.. well technically I got it for free but I have no idea how to use it

can someone post pics of the settings for testing volts on a battery, then how to test a carto

Here are pics of how to test the cartos from Smokeless Image. Sorry if the picture quality sucks. It was taking with my phone. Hope this helps you.


Basic multimeter


Step #1
Set the multimeter to the 200 Ω (ohms setting)


Step #2
Touch the read lead to the center post
Touch the black lead to the tip of the threading (being carefull not to let the leads touch or cross, otherwise you will get inaccurate reading)


Step #3
Take your reading. (I got 2.8 Ω in this test, which is what smokeless image advertises)

 

[dormouse]

I thought the SI and Bloog carto were supposed to be 2.6 ohms

This writeup about Bloog says 2.6 ohms and SI at some point switched from using their own different cartos to using the same ones as Bloog. BS looking site but the writeup seems knowledgeable, as if it came from Bloog.
Bloog is the Most Advanced Ecig Available » eCig News

However, I also saw I thread once on ECF where somebody tested a whole bunch of Bloog cartos and there was wide variance in actual ohms. But I use them and have not noticed any major diffs between one and the next.

 

[Kind Head]

I thought the SI and Bloog carto were supposed to be 2.6 ohms

Their website says that they are 2.8 in the product description. At least that's what is says for the prefilled ones. The description for the blank cartos doesn't say. I just assumed they where the same. I haven't got any yet, but am getting ready to order some blanks and some juice from them. Whenever I get some, I will test them to see.

I tested 3 of the prefilled cartos and got 2.8, 2.8, and one was 2.9
I don't know how accurate my meter is, I guess it could be 0.1 ohms off.