How to tell if Cartomizer is Kicked?

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ditc

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I "think" i've read that BMF doesn't play well with lots of VG. Maybe that's is?

I won't know for sure untill I get a bunch of samples I ordered.. that all all 50/50 mixes.

could certainly be... i checked their site, and it says that all their juices are 70/30 pg/vg ratio, with the exception of a couple flavors, which are 50/50, but those particular flavors are not ones that i ordered. in all fairness, i have only tried filling 2 bloog cartos with these juices, so perhaps it's the cartos? although, after cleaning them out and using non-want2vape juice, i am getting much better taste from other 70/30 pg/vg juice, notably from vaporstation, which seems to work really well with the bloog cartos... bizarre,, considering both vendors have a 70/30 mix.
 

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My first DIY was 50/50. I won't get into the thick bottles I ordered that made dripping ANYTHING almost impossible...

The two problems with high VG and bloog cartos is:
1.) Refilling takes an enormous amount of time. Wicking is just sloooow. Your drips will flow out the batt-end well before you've filled the carto, because it's just too thick to wick before gravity wins out. Before I gave up and dumped the 50/50 into a lower VG mix, I was constantly faced with underfilled cartos.
2.) Whatever liquid you patiently manage to get to stay in the carto is still going to be sloooow as all hell. You'll have to vape the carto extra light. Otherwise, your chronically underfilled carto will constantly outvape it's wick and you'll have something that tastes empty every few vapes.

Anything 30 or less, on the VG, has given me zero issues.
 

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On how to tell when a carto is kicked, I decided to weigh them. On most cartos I'm getting a funky taste after loosing ;) between .7 and .9 grams from full. I'm guessing this is about right. I figure if the factory is putting in 1 ml of juice, given PG has a density of 1.036 g/ml then vaping all the juice would lighten the carto by 1.036 grams (ignoring the negligible difference in density of the small amount of flavoring and nicotine). Since we don't want to burn them dry, I guess burning roughly 70-90% of the juice is reasonable.

I will also add that this gives me a weigh ;) to check up on factory fills too, and a couple of my precious ry424mg cartos have been short by .2 ml!

This is also helpful for me to keep track of cartos. "was that the new one I cracked last night, or is that the one I vaped all day?" Now I can tell if I'm heading out the door with a mostly full or mostly empty carto. Although I have to admit, I can feel a difference of about .5 grams by hand, so keeping reference full and empty cartos at hand will allow one to just toss them a couple times and get a good idea of how much life is left in the carto. You can also roughly calibrate your hand with an American nickel, it weighs in right about a half full carto.

In other amusing news, I thought I'd try to make a scale by measuring the center of gravity of full vs. empty cartos. Apparently my hands aren't steady enough to balance a carto on the razor blade I clamped vertically! I may pursue this more, but I think a razor blade is overkill in the sensitivity department!
 

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On how to tell when a carto is kicked, I decided to weigh them. On most cartos I'm getting a funky taste after loosing ;) between .7 and .9 grams from full. I'm guessing this is about right. I figure if the factory is putting in 1 ml of juice, given PG has a density of 1.036 g/ml then vaping all the juice would lighten the carto by 1.036 grams (ignoring the negligible difference in density of the small amount of flavoring and nicotine). Since we don't want to burn them dry, I guess burning roughly 70-90% of the juice is reasonable.

I will also add that this gives me a weigh ;) to check up on factory fills too, and a couple of my precious ry424mg cartos have been short by .2 ml!

This is also helpful for me to keep track of cartos. "was that the new one I cracked last night, or is that the one I vaped all day?" Now I can tell if I'm heading out the door with a mostly full or mostly empty carto. Although I have to admit, I can feel a difference of about .5 grams by hand, so keeping reference full and empty cartos at hand will allow one to just toss them a couple times and get a good idea of how much life is left in the carto. You can also roughly calibrate your hand with an American nickel, it weighs in right about a half full carto.

In other amusing news, I thought I'd try to make a scale by measuring the center of gravity of full vs. empty cartos. Apparently my hands aren't steady enough to balance a carto on the razor blade I clamped vertically! I may pursue this more, but I think a razor blade is overkill in the sensitivity department!

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I tried using weight to check the fill level of cartos once. The problem, though, is that the blank cartos will vary quite a bit in their weight before they are filled.

Of course, that was back in the bad old days at Kanger. I haven't checked that on MF. hmmmm..... (off to find my gram scale)
 

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True if only weighing after they've been vaped.

But I'm weighing them fresh, so i have a direct starting point. At that, of the 10-ish I've weight all were within .2 grams fresh weight. But I just keep a card in my stash box, when I grab a new carto I weigh it and write down the starting weight. I can drop a carto on the scale, and compare it's current weight vs. it's starting weight to tell me how much life is left in it.

On the factory fill, I weighed a RY424mg at 5.3 out of the blister pack. Got the funky taste at 4.8 grams. I'm not really complaining because it's not a really sensitive scale, only reading to 1/10's but it seems repeatably accurate. Really I'm more interested in knowing the life left in any given carto than I am on double checking you guys!
 

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In case anyone is following this, I just read the other thread where the stained ry4 condoms were mentioned as possibly being a little light on the fill. All my ry4's that are coming up short have had stained condoms, so I'm guessing that answers that variable. So far with the weighing experiment the cartos have been much more consistent than I expected. I've only had one Kamel that tasted beat before weight would suggest it wasn't, and I'm considering it suspect, might be my first dissection...
 
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