Hubby got one today

[josma]

Hi all I knew he wanted to do this but thought he'd give me a little more time. Guys at work pointed him to Dr Vape it so he went on the way home from work and came home with one.
He smokes 1 pack a day of Marlboro Menthol Slivers.
They gave him 12 mg nicotine in a mix of 67% PG to 33% VG .
He said it seems really Harsh so he is smoking cigs again for now.
He said he is going to get up in the morning and try it without smoking any cigs. As he thinks that might be the issue.
And if not we will go back and see if we can get him something else this weekend.
I am hoping for some info and help on this since he really didn't give me enough time to sort through everything and find out the ins and outs of this so that we knew we were getting him the best ecig and juice for him.
So would really really Appreciate all the info you guys can give me .

Does this sound right in the amounts in the juice?
Does it sound like the right amounts for what he was smoking in cigs?
Is this Harshness hes talking about normal when you go from cigs to ecigs?
Or do we need to adjust things a bit.

He plans on slowly decreasing the nicotine til he doesn't have any and then weening off the ecig if possible.

I would really Appreciate any and all the advice you guys can give us esp on what we need to know if/when we have to go back so that we can be more informed about what he needs and doesn't need.

I had hoped he'd give me a little more time to get it all squared away so that we were more knowledgeable about the whole process but now I guess we just have to go from here and try to make sure that we get it right from here.
I look forward to all your help and want to say a Big THANK YOU up front cause we really do need some help from you all who know so much more about these than we do.

Hope you ALL have a Very Happy New Year!
Stay Safe too!
Thanks again

 

[ImThatGuy]

Marlboro menthol silver? You mean Ultra Lights? If I am right...he shouldn't be on 12mg and also depends on the setup he has.

I would've suggested to start with 6mg if it is Ultra Lights. Because 12mg, to me, would be like smoking Marlboro Lights (the gold pack).

 

[r77r7r]

Can you post a pic or otherwise identify his set-up? There are several things that can make a vape harsh.
HNY

 

[Dextrose]

more info is needed on the device used, and as suggested try droping to a 6mg nic at a 50/50 vg/pg mix

 

[zoiDman]

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They gave him 12 mg nicotine in a mix of 67% PG to 33% VG .
He said it seems really Harsh so he is smoking cigs again for now.

Hi josma.

Good to hear that your Husband is trying an e-Cigarette.

Something that Kinda jumped of the page was the PG:VG level that the Store set him up with. 67% PG would be a LOT of PG for Many/Most People. And I would find it to be Very Harsh. Especially if I was just coming off Cigarettes. And might not be taking a Longer, Slower Hit than when I Smoked.

I would suggest that He tries some 50%PG:50%VG or 30%PG:70%VG and see if the Harshness decreases.

 

[josma]

Thanks for the replies guys I really Appreciate it. Here is a couple pictures we just took. Appreciate all the help, advise and info you can give us.

 

[AndriaD]

Marlboro menthol silver? You mean Ultra Lights? If I am right...he shouldn't be on 12mg and also depends on the setup he has.

I would've suggested to start with 6mg if it is Ultra Lights. Because 12mg, to me, would be like smoking Marlboro Lights (the gold pack).

Absolutely this, if he's smoking ultra-lights; I smoked ultra-lights for 20+ yrs, and 12mg made me feel like barfing after vaping for less than an hour. I had to start with 6mg, till the cigarettes were gone -- which took about a month, gradually vaping more and smoking less. I did eventually wind up vaping 10mg for almost a year, but even 10mg woild have made me ill, while I was still smoking.

The harshness is a different matter. Partly it's because ejuice doesn't contain any of the noxious chemicals in cigarettes that they add to make them smooth -- fooling the body into accepting something as harsh and toxic as smoke. It takes some getting used to. Also it needs to be inhaled differently; instead of a hard fast draw and quick inhale, use a slow easy draw, let it hang around in the mouth and throat, then if the need to inhale is still there, do it slow and easy, and exhale via the nose as much as the mouth.

It might also be because some people are more sensitive than others to the irritating effects of PG; a 50/50 ratio might be a better place to start, to see if either the PG or the VG causes a problem. PG generally causes irritation, like a chemical burn; VG can cause breathing problems, heavy chest, tight chest, lots of chest mucus -- everybody's different in which chemical does what to them, and what they can tolerate.

Andria

 

[daleron]

I agree with a couple of other posters, lower nicotine (6mg) and higher on the VG ... most people start at 50/50 pg vg

Oh!
And welcome to ECF!!

 

[curiousJan]

That's an eGo style battery with a CE4 clearomizer. I used those at one point. The higher PG level was necessary for me to get it to wick right. I preferred the atomizer (the part with the heating element and wick) at the bottom of the clearomizer, which provides better wicking.

The harshness may be part of how he's trying to use it ... the direct inhale, like he would a cigarette, can be difficult when switching. Maybe try to pull the vapor into the mouth then inhale to the lungs (called mouth-to-lung or MTL.)

ETA: google glassomizer and/or Aspire BVC to see what I used immediately after the setup your hubby has.

 

[josma]

Don't know if this means anything but the receipt says 1 10 ml/ 12, 1 Kanger Evod Battery 1000/ black and 1 WH Express kit in case any of this is helpful. Thanks

 

[zoiDman]

Thanks for the replies guys I really Appreciate it. Here is a couple pictures we just took. Appreciate all the help, advise and info you can give us.

For that type of e-Cigarette, I don't think the Nicotine is too high. And 12mg/ml sounds fine.

But I would have him try a Lower PG e-Liquid.

 

[curiousJan]

Oh, and I smoked ultra-lights but started at 24mg ... so the nic level is best gaged by his reaction to it. Any nausea, lightheadedness, hiccups ... too much, drop the level.

 

[ImThatGuy]

If he's smoking ultra lights, then 12mg/ml is too much.

 

[curiousJan]

I was a pack-a-day ultra-light smoker and used 24mg for the first 18 months. Let's not make assumptions unless he's got symptoms indicating too much nic.

 

[ImThatGuy]

He said it seems really harsh. Nic level, pg concentration, and kind of flavoring -- are factors to 'harshness'.

What's the easiest test to be done? Lower the nicotine of that same flavored ejuice that he likes and see what happens.

 

[zoiDman]

He said it seems really harsh. Nic level, pg concentration, and kind of flavoring -- are factors to 'harshness'.

What's the easiest test to be done? Lower the nicotine of that same flavored ejuice that he likes and see what happens.

I would Always lean towards keeping the Nicotine Higher. And working on anything else if Possible. Because if the Nicotine is Too Low, He will crave Cigarettes. And that can make Switching Very Hard.

 

[ImThatGuy]

True, but this is an unwanted feeling. He already noted that it was "really harsh".

You're saying, let him get used to it because it will tend to his addiction?

I say no. Cut the nicotine grade in half and see what happens. There's no comfort he is feeling with 12mg. If cutting down the nicotine doesn't change the level of harshness then the PG amount can be a culprit. The next step would be to find a lower PG ratio in the liquid.

He is only 1 pack a day on ultra lights. I'm sure, and very positive, 12mg is just too much for him.

 

[zoiDman]

True, but this is an unwanted feeling. He already noted that it was "really harsh".

You're saying, let him get used to it because it will tend to his addiction?

I say no. Cut the nicotine grade in half and see what happens. There's no comfort he is feeling with 12mg. If cutting down the nicotine doesn't change the level of harshness then the PG amount can be a culprit. The next step would be to find a lower PG ratio in the liquid.

He is only 1 pack a day on ultra lights. I'm sure, and very positive, 12mg is just too much for him.

I dunno? It's just hard to say what will work best for Someone from 1 Post on a Forum. Maybe you are Right.

I couldn't quit Cigarettes with what I started with, 18mg/ml using Similar Hardware. And don't know too many that can handle 67%PG:33%VG.

But everyone is Different. And sometimes one just has to Try some different combinations before they find what they Like.

 

[curiousJan]

True, but this is an unwanted feeling. He already noted that it was "really harsh".

You're saying, let him get used to it because it will tend to his addiction?

I say no. Cut the nicotine grade in half and see what happens. There's no comfort he is feeling with 12mg. If cutting down the nicotine doesn't change the level of harshness then the PG amount can be a culprit. The next step would be to find a lower PG ratio in the liquid.

He is only 1 pack a day on ultra lights. I'm sure, and very positive, 12mg is just too much for him.

He just started. I found it harsh and coughed too at first ... because I was trying to direct lung inhale like I did cigarettes. I'm guessing the problem is more technique than niquid or gear.

 

[curiousJan]

I'm sure, and very positive, 12mg is just too much for him.

I was a pack-a-day ultra-light smoker and comfortably used 24mg for the first 18 months. Neither of us can be certain what the issue is. You could be right. But if you're wrong he's going to crave cigarettes and be more likely to fail. Without symptoms of too much nic - like nausea, lightheadedness, jitters, or hiccups - it's more likely technique or PG levels.