Hubby got one today

[ImThatGuy]

Well, wrong or right, he's not liking the 'harshness' and went back to cigarettes.

@josma have your husband vape his new setup, like how one would smoke a cigar (cigar aficionados that actually go for taste...than just looking like cuban drug dealer) where the inhalation is into the mouth first, then a quick and light inhale to the lungs, then exhaling/quickly/slowly/whatevers.

Please report back to us on the results and any other concerns.

 

[zoiDman]

If the OP's Husband got some advise from some guys that He works with, it sounds like they use e-Cigarettes. So maybe the best this for the OP's Husband to do is to Try taking some hits off the Guy's at work set-ups. And if He Likes it, and it Isn't Harsh, just duplicate what the guys at work are using.

 

[AndriaD]

True, but this is an unwanted feeling. He already noted that it was "really harsh".

You're saying, let him get used to it because it will tend to his addiction?

I say no. Cut the nicotine grade in half and see what happens. There's no comfort he is feeling with 12mg. If cutting down the nicotine doesn't change the level of harshness then the PG amount can be a culprit. The next step would be to find a lower PG ratio in the liquid.

He is only 1 pack a day on ultra lights. I'm sure, and very positive, 12mg is just too much for him.

Totally agree with this. I tried both 18mg, then 12mg, and both were much too strong, after 20+ yrs of ultra-lights -- nausea, stomach pain, just horrible. It nearly cured me of vaping permanently, since I consider nausea A Fate Worse Than Death -- the only thing worse is the part that often follows nausea.

I never felt any particular harshness with vapor, EVER (and I've always vaped high PG), but the ultra-lights I smoked, Virginia Slims Silver, I chose specifically because, of all the ultra-lights, they had the best throat-hit -- that's the part I just couldn't do without. So I could have dealt with the TH from 24mg easily, but it was just too much nicotine for my brain, even at 12mg -- I never have been able to vape that high a mg -- 10mg is the highest I ever went.

Andria

 

[josma]

Hi guys Thanks so very much for all the helpful info. It gives us several places to start and try to figure out where to go from here. I read him all your post and he said that he has never directly inhaled his cigarettes. That he always puts it in his mouth first than in hales and that he's doing the same with the ecig. And he said he when he first started the ecig he was taking half pulls on it and its still to harsh. Don't know if that indicates anything or not.

 

[ImThatGuy]

Lower down the nicotine of the ejuice and see what happens.

Thank you for actually listening to what we have to say. We are all here for the same reason.

Oh also, as someone else pointed out, has your husband tried his coworkers setups? How did he like theirs? Did he find it too harsh as well? Did he buy the same kind as them? Same nicotine grade in the ejuice? Pretty much, copied theirs.

Lots of questions, but we're here to help.

 

[zoiDman]

Hi guys Thanks so very much for all the helpful info. It gives us several places to start and try to figure out where to go from here. I read him all your post and he said that he has never directly inhaled his cigarettes. That he always puts it in his mouth first than in hales and that he's doing the same with the ecig. And he said he when he first started the ecig he was taking half pulls on it and its still to harsh. Don't know if that indicates anything or not.

Another thing you can Try.

Many Vape Shops have Free Samples that you can walk in a Try. Not sure how many Vape Shops you have in your Area. But After the Holidays, you might call some Shops and see if they offer Sampling.

 

[ImThatGuy]

...you know what we haven't asked...what flavor is the ejuice? Is it menthol? Strong menthol? Cinnamon? Citrus? etc....

 

[k2zs]

IMHO, the problem is that he has a CE4 style atomizer. When I started, I got one of those as a spare but couldn't use it because it was so harsh. Those are top-coil clearomizers and because the coil is right at the mouth piece, they tend to be much hotter/harsher than bottom coiled devices. Plus, you have to keep tipping it down to soak the coil. I know you probably don't want to hear this, but I would recommend getting a new atomizer, the battery will be fine, just a new tank.

When I started, I had very good luck and an enjoyable experience with these:
Aspire ET-S BVC Glassomizer
It will be a cooler, more flavorful vape with a 1.8 ohm BVC coil than what you have now. Remember, this is just my opinion but going from what I experienced with this device, I think he will like it more...

 

[AndriaD]

IMHO, the problem is that he has a CE4 style atomizer. When I started, I got one of those as a spare but couldn't use it because it was so harsh. Those are top-coil clearomizers and because the coil is right at the mouth piece, they tend to be much hotter/harsher than bottom coiled devices. Plus, you have to keep tipping it down to soak the coil. I know you probably don't want to hear this, but I would recommend getting a new atomizer, the battery will be fine, just a new tank.

When I started, I had very good luck and an enjoyable experience with these:
Aspire ET-S BVC Glassomizer
It will be a cooler, more flavorful vape with a 1.8 ohm BVC coil than what you have now. Remember, this is just my opinion but going from what I experienced with this device, I think he will like it more...

Have to agree, wholeheartedly. When I got my first vv3, I got the whole starter kit with the iclear16 atties... which totally suck. When I finally got a bottom-coil clearo (BCC), I was able to actually start vaping.

Still got one of those dratted iClear16's in the drawer.... Might as well pitch it, it's utter trash.

Andria

 

[josma]

Hi guys Thanks again so very much for throwing all this info and ideas at us. I am going to write it all down and we are going to head back to the shop this weekend and see what we can hash out to fix this. By the way he just got menthol flavor since that is what he was used to. But said he wants to try some other flavors too. I will probably buy him one of the bottom coil so he can try it and compare with the top he has. I just would really like to see him off cigarettes and will do as much as I can to try to help with the process. Any more ideas , suggests and advice etc will be Greatly Appreciated. We really do Appreciate all ya'lls input , help and advise. Thank you so very much. Happy New Year!

 

[AndriaD]

Hi guys Thanks again so very much for throwing all this info and ideas at us. I am going to write it all down and we are going to head back to the shop this weekend and see what we can hash out to fix this. By the way he just got menthol flavor since that is what he was used to. But said he wants to try some other flavors too. I will probably buy him one of the bottom coil so he can try it and compare with the top he has. I just would really like to see him off cigarettes and will do as much as I can to try to help with the process. Any more ideas , suggests and advice etc will be Greatly Appreciated. We really do Appreciate all ya'lls input , help and advise. Thank you so very much. Happy New Year!

You sound even more helpful and supportive than my husband -- who's totally behind me with anything at all that lets me stay off cigarettes. We've been married 28+ yrs, and he said he never expected I would quit -- but he sure is thrilled that I did!!

ECF is absolutely the best vaping resource -- just an amazing amount of good solid info around here. I'm dead certain I'd never have succeeded without all the help I've gotten here.

Andria

 

[Two_Bears]

Hi all I knew he wanted to do this but thought he'd give me a little more time. Guys at work pointed him to Dr Vape it so he went on the way home from work and came home with one.
He smokes 1 pack a day of Marlboro Menthol Slivers.
They gave him 12 mg nicotine in a mix of 67% PG to 33% VG .
He said it seems really Harsh so he is smoking cigs again for now.
He said he is going to get up in the morning and try it without smoking any cigs. As he thinks that might be the issue.
And if not we will go back and see if we can get him something else this weekend.
I am hoping for some info and help on this since he really didn't give me enough time to sort through everything and find out the ins and outs of this so that we knew we were getting him the best ecig and juice for him.
So would really really Appreciate all the info you guys can give me .

Does this sound right in the amounts in the juice?
Does it sound like the right amounts for what he was smoking in cigs?
Is this Harshness hes talking about normal when you go from cigs to ecigs?
Or do we need to adjust things a bit.

He plans on slowly decreasing the nicotine til he doesn't have any and then weening off the ecig if possible.

I would really Appreciate any and all the advice you guys can give us esp on what we need to know if/when we have to go back so that we can be more informed about what he needs and doesn't need.

I had hoped he'd give me a little more time to get it all squared away so that we were more knowledgeable about the whole process but now I guess we just have to go from here and try to make sure that we get it right from here.
I look forward to all your help and want to say a Big THANK YOU up front cause we really do need some help from you all who know so much more about these than we do.

Hope you ALL have a Very Happy New Year!
Stay Safe too!
Thanks again

The nicotine level is probably spot on. The eCig may be fine but no direct experience with it.

I see one thing that should be changed immediately.

The juice us way too high in the PG ratio.

The PG in juice and nicotine gives the throat hit. And some nicotine has a worse throat hit almost peppery.

Suggest your hubby go back to the vape shop and explain the issue and get some 50/50 or 60% VG ejuice and the harshness will go away.

Your hubby is not going to vape is itvis harsher than Stinkies.

 

[Two_Bears]

Marlboro menthol silver? You mean Ultra Lights? If I am right...he shouldn't be on 12mg and also depends on the setup he has.

I would've suggested to start with 6mg if it is Ultra Lights. Because 12mg, to me, would be like smoking Marlboro Lights (the gold pack).

Ultralight cigarettes are not lower in nicotine. Just lower in flavor.

If he was sub ohming I would agree with you. Since he is not sub ohming. 12 mg is probably right.

 

[Two_Bears]

He said it seems really harsh. Nic level, pg concentration, and kind of flavoring -- are factors to 'harshness'.

What's the easiest test to be done? Lower the nicotine of that same flavored ejuice that he likes and see what happens.

You dudntcsee what we saw.

12 mg nic, AND the ejuice was 67% PG. I am surprised he was able to inhale the vapor at all.

 

[Two_Bears]

Absolutely this, if he's smoking ultra-lights; I smoked ultra-lights for 20+ yrs, and 12mg made me feel like barfing after vaping for less than an hour. I had to start with 6mg, till the cigarettes were gone -- which took about a month, gradually vaping more and smoking less. I did eventually wind up vaping 10mg for almost a year, but even 10mg woild have made me ill, while I was still smoking.

The harshness is a different matter. Partly it's because ejuice doesn't contain any of the noxious chemicals in cigarettes that they add to make them smooth -- fooling the body into accepting something as harsh and toxic as smoke. It takes some getting used to. Also it needs to be inhaled differently; instead of a hard fast draw and quick inhale, use a slow easy draw, let it hang around in the mouth and throat, then if the need to inhale is still there, do it slow and easy, and exhale via the nose as much as the mouth.

It might also be because some people are more sensitive than others to the irritating effects of PG; a 50/50 ratio might be a better place to start, to see if either the PG or the VG causes a problem. PG generally causes irritation, like a chemical burn; VG can cause breathing problems, heavy chest, tight chest, lots of chest mucus -- everybody's different in which chemical does what to them, and what they can tolerate.

Andria

Andria the ejuice is 67% PG and 33% VG. I'm surprised he was able to take a drag at all.

 

[ImThatGuy]

Ok...why is everyone so rowdy about 67/33 pg/vg ratio? Is there something I'm missing here? Was that not the standard...when we used cartomizers about 2-3 years ago since it wicked better and I do recall no one had a problem with it before? Am I missing something here?

We vaped even higher pg ratios before with no problem with our nicotine level liking. I don't see why a 67/33 would even equate to much, when I recall doing 70/30 using cartomizers 3 years ago on 18mg and the throat hit was harsh and I liked it that way. Then going down to 6mg and it lowered the harshness.

 

[Two_Bears]

IMHO, the problem is that he has a CE4 style atomizer. When I started, I got one of those as a spare but couldn't use it because it was so harsh. Those are top-coil clearomizers and because the coil is right at the mouth piece, they tend to be much hotter/harsher than bottom coiled devices. Plus, you have to keep tipping it down to soak the coil. I know you probably don't want to hear this, but I would recommend getting a new atomizer, the battery will be fine, just a new tank.

When I started, I had very good luck and an enjoyable experience with these:
Aspire ET-S BVC Glassomizer
It will be a cooler, more flavorful vape with a 1.8 ohm BVC coil than what you have now. Remember, this is just my opinion but going from what I experienced with this device, I think he will like it more...

I vaped ce4 clearomiser. Yes they are harsher than the Evod, and Kanger tech with the coil at the bottom.

I still think the problem is the stupid juice that is 67% PG.

 

[Two_Bears]

Ok...why is everyone so rowdy about 67/33 pg/vg ratio? Is there something I'm missing here? Was that not the standard...when we used cartomizers about 2-3 years ago since it wicked better and I do recall no one had a problem with it before? Am I missing something here?

We vaped even higher pg ratios before with no problem with our nicotine level liking. I don't see why a 67/33 would even equate to much, when I recall doing 70/30 using cartomizers 3 years ago on 18mg and the throat hit was harsh and I liked it that way. Then going down to 6mg and it lowered the harshness.

Yes you're missing something. You take 12 mg nic. Some nic's can be peppery. Then you add 67% PG.

I started with 18 mg nic and a 50/50 blend and it gave me problems.

I started DIYing juice I moved to 60% then 70% VG juices and my problems with throat hit went away.

 

[Plumes.91]

i am of the camp that usually says... nicotine level is a preference of the person switching, and to suggest a nic level would be difficult. 1 can argue: He smoked light cigarettes, he needs lower mg nicotine juice!" and 1 could also argue: "But he wasn't a chain smoker, and he needs a juice that will satisfy his nic craving in a quick vape session, because he will want to vape like he smoked (infrequently)"

The nic and PG level also depends on the TYPE of tank he is using... He's using a clearomizer. They sorta NEED higher PG juice, unfortunately. Higher PG juice (more PG than VG) means a HARSHER throat hit, but a THINNER (easier to wick) liquid. Are we really gonna suggest this guy either try a different tank system, or suffer dry-burns with a higher VG juice in his current setup? UGH. This is why I truly HATE that vaping has moved in the direction that it has... Now we've got all different types of tanks, and it's become very difficult to explain to someone the differences between high airflow/high wicking/low-res/etc and low-air/less-wicking/higher-res. !!!

I suggest your husband try vaping what he has. in my experience, the throat DOES get used to vaping, over smoking. if he continues to smoke more than he vapes, he may NEVER become USED-TO the vapor. that's just my opinion.... & how vaping effects ME... I cough when I 1st switch, but i eventually become used-to vaping w/o any cough/throat-irritation. unfortunately, ur husband has to use a higher PG liquid in that tank (well, he probably should, to keep it wicking the juice to the heating coil fast enough, PG is thinner) but... I would recommend he try a lower PG (higher VG) e-liquid, and maybe 9mg nicotine? IDK! it's HARD to make such suggestions... Just PLEASE tell him to KEEP AT IT... and if you DO have a brick and mortar vape shop in your area... BRING HIM THERE, and have him try all different mg of nicotine, and maybe 3 different tiers/levels of VG/PG ratio e-liquid, okay? find-out what works best for him, with the current setup he's got, as-far as nicotine and PG/VG ratios go, okay? Good luck on your vaping journey!

 

[Marina2]

When I first started everything was harsh, no matter the nic or the pg/vg ratio. After a few days of taking light puffs and inhaling deeper and deeper I just got used to it. I made myself go through this because I saw vapers vape without coughing and knew (had faith) that I would reach that point. It wasn't long before I could vape like I smoked cigarettes. Everyone I've ever seen take their first hits off a vape coughs. My sister tried my max vg, 3 mg vape and immediately coughed violently and handed it back to me saying, "See, that's why I could never vape." I'm still trying to convince her that it goes away fairly quickly so she can get on with the business of vaping instead of smoking.

After that part disappeared for me (just a few days before my throat accepted it just fine) then I began to experiment with different pg/vg ratios, nicotine levels, strong or mild flavors, etc. You can definitely get a wide variation in throat hit, nicotine satisfaction and flavor preferences by changing all this up. Even have smoother, less harsh hits. But, I believe that no matter how the liquid is proportioned, you will cough in the beginning and you just have to realize that it goes away soon after you start.

VG does make a smoother vape than pg and nic does add harshness but just know that even after adjusting these ratios you may still have to work through that initial break in period for your throat to get used to any vapor. Have faith that it will end, push through it and then go on a quest to find your perfect vape.