Hybrid, Faux Hybrid, or Hybrid Connection?

[Saintskinny51792]

Ive heard a lot of conflicting information. Some say a hybrid has its own atomizer and sometimes a special connection (other than standard 510.) some say a hybrid is just a mech where the atomizers 510 pin connects to the positive post of the battery directly, Ive also heard these called 'Faux Hybrid' or having a 'Hybrid Connection.' What have you heard?

 

[Kprthevapr]

A true hybrid is a mod with an atty that doesn't have a top cap, the atty is designed to work as direct to battery contact.
Faux Hybrid, lacking the center pin contact, has a top cap and no pin, it's direct to battery contact.

Vapelyfe mods come with a top cap as well as the hybrid atty

SMPL's would be considered as faux hybrids, no center pin.

On direct to battery mods you wanna make sure that the center pin on your atty extends out so that it doesn't short out.
Won't work:

Will work:

Hope this makes sense

 

[Bad Ninja]

Hybrids don't have 510 THREADS. They have dedicated atomizers that do not have 510 connections.
The atomizer connects to the body of the tube.

Some people incorrectly call direct to battery mods hybrids.

The direct to battery 510 connection was first introduced as a "Hybrid Look" adapter.
Uninformed vapers dropped the word "look" and incorrectly called them hybrids. This confuses new vapers.

We call them direct-to-batery mods.

 

[crxess]

Quasi-

Hybrid - Dedicated design

Direct Connect - 510 threaded opening to Battery contact

510 - Fixed - Spring loaded - Floating > Center pin connection

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EGO/510 - Multi option, center pin connection

Not to mention Several Proprietary connections by some companies in the game.

 

[edyle]

Nemesis_kick-3d

• edyle
• Dec 10, 2015

Above is a truehybrid.
There is no 510 connection.
This one is a nemesis mod and 3d rda.
The 3d is m20x0.5 threaded in order to thread directly onto the m20x0.5 threads of the nemesis tubes. The 3d I have also came with an m20x0.5 to 510 adapter so that it can be used of standard 510 threaded devices.
The 3d is rather finicky to work with, and recently I have discovered that it somehow manages to leak/seepslowly out the bottom from somewhere at the centerpin apparently.

The fakebrids are the mods that come with a 510 thread with no centerpin.

The name 'hybrid' is actually a poor description of what is really going on.

Another example of a truehybrid rda is the elm, which is threaded for ... I believe... m20x1 threaded tubes.

The vapelyfe is another one, but I don't know the thread.
I have not found an m21x1 threaded rda.

 

[Saintskinny51792]

so technically you could (assuming you have the know how and machines, etc) could fashion an atomizer to basically replace the 510 top cap by screwing on to a regular mech tube?

 

[Rabbit Slayer]

Vaping is full of confusing terms that people are always getting wrong

Until a few months ago I thought direct battery = hybrid

Now if we can get people to stop calling devices designed for vaping mods

 

[edyle]

so technically you could (assuming you have the know how and machines, etc) could fashion an atomizer to basically replace the 510 top cap by screwing on to a regular mech tube?

Yes.
Here is an m28x1 threaded rda.
Note there is no 510 thread; there is a really big centerpin.
It screws directly onto m28x1 threaded mods designed for 26650 sized batteries.

$12.19 Elm Style Hybrid Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer - stainless steel / M28x1 hybrid connector at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

With the suitable materials and tools, instead of making whole new atomizers, you can just take a truehybrid rda like the one above and make thread adapters for it so that it can work on different threading mods.

 

[Nikea Tiber]

"Faux hybrid" should be called a "pinless topcap mech" instead of anything with the word hybrid. The term is accurate, descriptive, and avoids the confusion that hovers over the subject.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Nemesis_kick-3d

• edyle
• Dec 10, 2015

Above is a truehybrid.
There is no 510 connection.
This one is a nemesis mod and 3d rda.
The 3d is m20x0.5 threaded in order to thread directly onto the m20x0.5 threads of the nemesis tubes. The 3d I have also came with an m20x0.5 to 510 adapter so that it can be used of standard 510 threaded devices.
The 3d is rather finicky to work with, and recently I have discovered that it somehow manages to leak/seepslowly out the bottom from somewhere at the centerpin apparently.

The fakebrids are the mods that come with a 510 thread with no centerpin.

The name 'hybrid' is actually a poor description of what is really going on.

Another example of a truehybrid rda is the elm, which is threaded for ... I believe... m20x1 threaded tubes.

The vapelyfe is another one, but I don't know the thread.
I have not found an m21x1 threaded rda.

Vape lyfe is 20x1

 

[Bad Ninja]

Vaping is full of confusing terms that people are always getting wrong

Until a few months ago I thought direct battery = hybrid

Now if we can get people to stop calling devices designed for vaping mods

"Mod" is from "modified flashlight", as the first mechanicals were actually modded flashlights.

 

[Saintskinny51792]

"Mod" is from "modified flashlight", as the first mechanicals were actually modded flashlights.

I always thought it was Modular. I love learning little (almost useless) information about random stuff like that... Did you know the mexican jumping bean wiggles because its grubby?! no, for real.... theres a lil live grub chillin in that bean

 

[badinfluence357]

There's 2 types of hybrids, one being made of from one piece of steel and the other being made from 2 separate pieces of steel using a 20×1 threaded atty top.

You can pretty much hybridize any 510 atty as long as you have an extended positive pin and a hybrid adapter as described prior.

Here are some examples of diffrent types of hybrids.


Notice the one on the left has 2 lines by the cap making it a 2 piece dripper hybrid. The one on the right has one line by the cap making it a one piece dripper hybrid.,,,
keep in mind genny atty hybrids will only have one line because the cap line is above the tank.

One piece dripper hybrid

510 atty hybridization with adapter and extended positive pole.

 

[Bad Ninja]

There's 2 types of hybrids, one being made of from one piece of steel and the other being made from 2 separate pieces of steel using a 20×1 threaded atty top.

You can pretty much hybridize any 510 atty as long as you have an extended positive pin and a hybrid adapter as described prior.

Here are some examples of diffrent types of hybrids.


Notice the one on the left has 2 lines by the cap making it a 2 piece dripper hybrid. The one on the right has one line by the cap making it a one piece dripper hybrid.,,,
keep in mind genny atty hybrids will only have one line because the cap line is above the tank.

One piece dripper hybrid

510 atty hybridization with adapter and extended positive pole.

Using an adapter give the "hybrid look".
Hybrid adapters do not make a hybrid. It makes a "hybrid look."

Hybrids have dedicated atomizers, that attach to the body of the mod.

 

[crxess]

Using an adapter give the "hybrid look".
Hybrid adapters do not make a hybrid. It makes a "hybrid look."

Hybrids have dedicated atomizers, that attach to the body of the mod.

Actually, in considering the design of most Hybrid adaptors, they are designed to Change the Tank/RTA/RDA base into a Threaded direct to tube application.

Properly fitted, the Atty is converted.
The 3D is an either/or by design, with Hybrid as the Fall back rather than 510.

Simpl and 4Nine are an Example of a Direct to Battery only Mod design.
I include 4Nine because the Top cap is designed to screw into the Mod.(others similar)

Regardless, all comes down to proper attachment and center pin positioning.
* Never drop a Long 510 into a 4Nine with a button top battery. Auto-fire almost guaranteed.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Actually, in considering the design of most Hybrid adaptors, they are designed to Change the Tank/RTA/RDA base into a Threaded direct to tube application.

Properly fitted, the Atty is converted.
The 3D is an either/or by design, with Hybrid as the Fall back rather than 510.

Simpl and 4Nine are an Example of a Direct to Battery only Mod design.
I include 4Nine because the Top cap is designed to screw into the Mod.(others similar)

Regardless, all comes down to proper attachment and center pin positioning.
* Never drop a Long 510 into a 4Nine with a button top battery. Auto-fire almost guaranteed.

Actually,
The first hybrid look adapters were sold for the Nemesis, to attach an atty to the Nemesis body.
They were called hybrid-look adapters.
They were sketchy, but they had an insulator and an adjustable center pin.

The nemesis is only a hybrid when the 3-d or Dome attys are threaded into the body without using the top cap.

No 510.

 

[crxess]

While I fully agree with Our discussion and understanding of design, this is incorrect:

They were called hybrid-look adapters.

One of the First to market Kits:

NEM-1 ST Nemesis Hybrid adapter
Home

Also Versa 20x1
Hybrid Adapter

Neither sold as Hybrid Look, however Both did eliminate 510 short risk.

and Yes, I agree they only Hybrid looks.
I have 3 and the Custom Kayfun's looked stunning on the Nemesis. The adapters eventually made filling intolerable.

 

[smokinGAVIN]

Hybrid

Same atomizers, one with a 510 connection and one hybrid.

Or does hybrid mean that the body and atomizer is one peice?

 

[Nikea Tiber]

"Hybrid" means there is no 510 at all. The RDA will have m20x1 or similar threads that screw to the body of the mod; this is the negative connection to the RDA. The positive will be a single, chunky pin. This is a true hybrid RDA. Examples of true hybrid mods are: the vapelyfe mod, the Neptune, the rig + roughneck RDA, the nemesis mod + 3d RDA. The Elm is a m20x1 hybrid RDA that will work on some tube mechs.

Mods like the SMPL, prax1s, and 4Nine were originally called "hybrid look" mods due to the pinless 510 connection at the top. Unfortunately, this causes a ton of confusion, as any mod with a 510 connection (pinless or otherwise) is not a true hybrid, and isn't guaranteed to work safely with every 510 RDA or RTA on the market.
There isn't anything inherently wrong about a pinless topcap mech, just a lot of confusion on the subject due to confusing terminology.
As long as your RDA/RTA has a protruding positive pin, and you screw the pinless topcap to the atty and treat the atty + topcap as a unit when you remove/install it you shouldn't have any trouble.

 

[Bad Ninja]

While I fully agree with Our discussion and understanding of design, this is incorrect:



One of the First to market Kits:

NEM-1 ST Nemesis Hybrid adapter
Home

Also Versa 20x1
Hybrid Adapter

Neither sold as Hybrid Look, however Both did eliminate 510 short risk.

and Yes, I agree they only Hybrid looks.
I have 3 and the Custom Kayfun's looked stunning on the Nemesis. The adapters eventually made filling intolerable.

Sorry crx, but I was there.

That site has them listed under the incorrect name.
Happens a lot with vendors.

I have 3 nemesis mods too, and have had the hybrid look adapter since it hit the market.
I was working with 3 B&Ms when they first became available.
Hybrid-look was the listing with the wholesale vendor.