I am all over the map and need some guidance

[Crocky]

Well just when I think I know what I am going to get as my first APV I read someone else's thread on another type and get confused all over again. Right now I am using an ego c twist and to be honest I am not sure I am even using it right to get the best vape. Typically I use a clearo, either vivi nova, EVOD etc and 1.8ohm or 2.4.

i usually have my twist set at about 3.8

anyway I have been looking around because my birthday is coming in May and thought I would get myself a nice bday present. I would love the provari mini but not sure that i want to spend that much for my first one in the event I don't like it like I thought I would.

Then I have been looking at the vamo, segelei, evic etc.... Those seem to be pretty reasonable to try my hand at it.

anyway any other thoughts or suggestions for me to look at, I would like something that is easy to learn on and something that will also last and is durable. I like convienance

 

[r77r7r]

Just please keep in mind that you're now getting into swappable batteries and with that choice comes the need to read up well on battery selection/usage/safety.

And having a carrying case for spare batts and possibly a Lipo bag for charging would be for the best. And a multimeter would be great/essential for monitoring the state of the batts.

 

[wv2win]

The VAMO is definitely the best option over any VV model in that relative price range. It is a power regulated variable wattage PV instead of just variable voltage. That alone makes it better than the other options. In addition it has a 5 amp switch which allows you to use any head on the market unlike most VV models that only have a 2.5 amp switch. Third, the batteries cost 2 - 3 times less than models like the eGo VV to name one example.

Good Luck with your search.

 

[darkhood]

I'm recommending my cheapie Ovale V8 - been w/ me almost 3 months now and it's all I use everyday, all day and it works flawlessly - http://www.smokerevolt.com/V8-Box-Mod_p_420.html

Checks ohms and uses 2 18350 batts - you can get 2 800mah efest batts for $10 now.

 

[muzichead]

One of the most important things I look at when buying a new APV is how dependable the device is. What is the track record of said device? How will it benefit me in my vaping journey? I am not a VV/VW tube guy and don't own any of these, but I have done some research and tried real hard to make a VV/VW tube type of APV fit in my collection, just hasn't per say happened yet... The only tube type APV out that is tried and true is the Provari. I am not sure of the original release date for the Provari, but I have been vaping for 2+ years now and they have been on version 2 for at least that duration and the only update for version 2.5 was a new body only!!! It serves the old adage, why fix it if it isn't broken...

All the others haven't been out long enough to be put in that class yet. Look at how many different versions or revisions of the Smok V/Z max's there are!!!! Sigelei, I think is on version 3 or 4 already and hasn't been on the market but 6-8 months now. The Vamo is only about 4 months and I think there releasing version 3 already!!! The eVic software has had 3 revisions also. I will say as far as all the new VV/VW units in general, I believe they all share the exact same SmokTech board inside now... I could be wrong on that, but I believe I read somewhere they do...

You might also take a look into some of the box type mods out there as well. Feeder mods are real popular as well. I myself vape a Vmod XL from Vapage and the REO bottom feeders are extremely well made and very popular. I switched to the Vmod as I was tired of carrying around an extra bottle of juice all day along with extra batteries. Now I just make sure the bottle is filled up, battery is fresh, and i'm good to go all day while i'm out and about. I also just recently purchased an all mechanical mod, The Natural, to go with the rebuildable atty's I bought to get back into dripping. I used to drip and drive for a living and is what lead me to the Vmod. Now when I am out and about or sitting at home I can still drip on the rebuildables. Nothing matches the flavor of dripping!!! This reason again, is why I chose a bottom feeder, other that the convenience of having juice on board and being able to use an atty... Not to mention it is pocketable while doing things...

Another thing I always took into account when looking for something new was the length of time and post count of people that recommended things.... Just remember you need to make the decision for yourself and try not to succumb to the, get this one or that one because of (insert almost anything here), responses you get from a lot of people here on the forum. Too many noobs today that have not tried multiple devices, are all too anxious to jump on the recommendation band wagon alll too quickly... And then when the 510 connector pops out of the unit/leaks or the wiring in the control head fries, or the board comes loose, or the window for the display cracks or comes loose, and on and on, the response is "I will just send it back to the vendor for a replacement", or if its out of warranty you see their next thread, "I finally broke down and bought a Provari"!!!!! That cracks me up... I have been through the journey of cig-alikes to eGo's to APV's, as well as carto's to cartridges, (yes their different!!), to tanks to atty's to rebuildables and on and on.... What a journey to say the least.... If I only knew then what I know now!!!

Sorry, I didn't mean for this to be so long...

 

[thebong24]

One of the most important things I look at when buying a new APV is how dependable the device is. What is the track record of said device? How will it benefit me in my vaping journey? I am not a VV/VW tube guy and don't own any of these, but I have done some research and tried real hard to make a VV/VW tube type of APV fit in my collection, just hasn't per say happened yet... The only tube type APV out that is tried and true is the Provari. I am not sure of the original release date for the Provari, but I have been vaping for 2+ years now and they have been on version 2 for at least that duration and the only update for version 2.5 was a new body only!!! It serves the old adage, why fix it if it isn't broken...

All the others haven't been out long enough to be put in that class yet. Look at how many different versions or revisions of the Smok V/Z max's there are!!!! Sigelei, I think is on version 3 or 4 already and hasn't been on the market but 6-8 months now. The Vamo is only about 4 months and I think there releasing version 3 already!!! The eVic software has had 3 revisions also. I will say as far as all the new VV/VW units in general, I believe they all share the exact same SmokTech board inside now... I could be wrong on that, but I believe I read somewhere they do...

You might also take a look into some of the box type mods out there as well. Feeder mods are real popular as well. I myself vape a Vmod XL from Vapage and the REO bottom feeders are extremely well made and very popular. I switched to the Vmod as I was tired of carrying around an extra bottle of juice all day along with extra batteries. Now I just make sure the bottle is filled up, battery is fresh, and i'm good to go all day while i'm out and about. I also just recently purchased an all mechanical mod, The Natural, to go with the rebuildable atty's I bought to get back into dripping. I used to drip and drive for a living and is what lead me to the Vmod. Now when I am out and about or sitting at home I can still drip on the rebuildables. Nothing matches the flavor of dripping!!! This reason again, is why I chose a bottom feeder, other that the convenience of having juice on board and being able to use an atty... Not to mention it is pocketable while doing things...

Another thing I always took into account when looking for something new was the length of time and post count of people that recommended things.... Just remember you need to make the decision for yourself and try not to succumb to the, get this one or that one because of (insert almost anything here), responses you get from a lot of people here on the forum. Too many noobs today that have not tried multiple devices, are all too anxious to jump on the recommendation band wagon alll too quickly... And then when the 510 connector pops out of the unit/leaks or the wiring in the control head fries, or the board comes loose, or the window for the display cracks or comes loose, and on and on, the response is "I will just send it back to the vendor for a replacement", or if its out of warranty you see their next thread, "I finally broke down and bought a Provari"!!!!! That cracks me up... I have been through the journey of cig-alikes to eGo's to APV's, as well as carto's to cartridges, (yes their different!!), to tanks to atty's to rebuildables and on and on.... What a journey to say the least.... If I only knew then what I know now!!!

Sorry, I didn't mean for this to be so long...

I second this. ..if ure looking for a long term relationship device that could last and a perfect most accurate voltage it will be a ProVari...

sent from mars

 

[Crocky]

Thanks so much for the feed back. Is the provari a variable power/wattage. Wondering that until I learn the ins and outs of settings and how many volts/wattage works best with what ohms, I think a variable power would help with the learning curve?? Or am I mistaken.
I don't mind forking out the dough but I also want to make sure it is not to much for me to learn by and get overwhelmed and give up all together.

With all that said, I am pretty happy with the twist and EVOD combination with LR 1.8 but I have a couple of juices that I just can't get the taste where I want it. Other juices it is GREAT! So before I drop another $28 on a twist I thought I would research to see if that money could be better spent towards something else.

 

[Chimney34]

Hey crocky! The Provari is VV not VW but having had a device that was VW I've found that it is not necessary for me. VV alone is just fine. It's also very simple to use & understand. You can also check your atomizer resistance so you have pretty much everything you need to get a great vape. If you want to see how it works for yourself visit the Provape website & check out the instruction manual. It's so simple it should be considered more of a pamphlet in my opinion. Lol! If you do decide to purchase you will probably find that the juices you love now will taste even better! Good luck on making your final decision!

And if you don't mind me asking...where in nc are you?

 

[wv2win]

Hey crocky! The Provari is VV not VW but having had a device that was VW I've found that it is not necessary. VV alone is just fine. It's also very simple to use & understand. You can also check your atomizer resistance so you have pretty much everything you need to get a great vape. If you want to see how it works for yourself visit the Provape website & check out the instruction manual. It's so simple it should be considered more of a pamphlet in my opinion. Lol! If you do decide to purchase you will probably find that the juices you love now will taste even better! Good luck on making your final decision!

And if you don't mind me asking...where in nc are you?

I think the Provari is one of the best APV's on the market but I cannot agree with you on VV vs VW. Variable wattage and power regulation is just a better method of regulating power and providing consistency. I've used the Provari, the Darwin (VW), the VAMO (VW) and several others. Having the APV adjust automatically (VW) to any ohm head I put on the Darwin or Vamo makes a definite difference in consistency and performance.

 

[Crocky]

so much info . But I am very thankful for it!!
Ughhh, decisions, decisions!

Chimney I am in Grifton which is near Greenville. I get your way about 4 times a year. Our home office is in Albemarle.

 

[Chimney34]

Ok! I'm from eastern NC...near Rocky Mouny but I've been here for years now.

 

[muzichead]

Thanks so much for the feed back. Is the provari a variable power/wattage. Wondering that until I learn the ins and outs of settings and how many volts/wattage works best with what ohms, I think a variable power would help with the learning curve?? Or am I mistaken.
I don't mind forking out the dough but I also want to make sure it is not to much for me to learn by and get overwhelmed and give up all together.

With all that said, I am pretty happy with the twist and EVOD combination with LR 1.8 but I have a couple of juices that I just can't get the taste where I want it. Other juices it is GREAT! So before I drop another $28 on a twist I thought I would research to see if that money could be better spent towards something else.

As Chimney34 already pointed out, the Provari is only VV. There are charts and calculators out there that will tell you what ohm atty or carto to put on any device to achieve the wattage you are looking for and you really don't need a variable power device to get this. I for instance as I said in the previous post, use a Vmod XL and have installed a Kick from Evolv to attain a 10w consistent vape all the time. I previously used 1.5 ohm atty's on all my devices to achieve in or around 9-10w. They would start out at 4.2v, (freshly charged), 11.76w and trickle down from there to 3.5v or 8.16w and then would change the battery out. The majority of the battery life is usually in or around 3.7v though and that would be 9.12w, which was my sweet spot so to say... Here is the link for the Ohm's Law Calculator I have been using for a few years now... Hope this helps...

 

[muzichead]

I think the Provari is one of the best APV's on the market but I cannot agree with you on VV vs VW. Variable wattage and power regulation is just a better method of regulating power and providing consistency. I've used the Provari, the Darwin (VW), the VAMO (VW) and several others. Having the APV adjust automatically (VW) to any ohm head I put on the Darwin or Vamo makes a definite difference in consistency and performance.

This is subject to mfg specs. You must stay within the required ohm min/max for VW to be efficient. I am not sure about the SmokTech boards and what their specs are.

Here are the specs for the Evolv products though. You can find them here also...Our Products « Evolv

Kick 1.3-3.0ohm
DNA 12 & 20 1.1-3.3ohm

 

[junkman]

so much info . But I am very thankful for it!!
Ughhh, decisions, decisions!

Chimney I am in Grifton which is near Greenville. I get your way about 4 times a year. Our home office is in Albemarle.

You won't notice much difference between a VV or VW APV and your current setup.

On the downside

It will be 1) larger 2) require batteries and charger

On the upside

1) It will have a longer iifetime 2) allow you to swap out batteries if one dies.

The vape itself will be the same.

Don't stress too much. If you want to try a APV with swapable batteries, a VAMO is a hard one to beat given the very low cost. variable watt settings, and easy to use menu systems/buttons, did I mention cost? The strength of the provari is customer service and build quality.

 

[junkman]

One of the most important things I look at when buying a new APV is how dependable the device is. What is the track record of said device? How will it benefit me in my vaping journey? I am not a VV/VW tube guy and don't own any of these, but I have done some research and tried real hard to make a VV/VW tube type of APV fit in my collection, just hasn't per say happened yet... The only tube type APV out that is tried and true is the Provari. I am not sure of the original release date for the Provari, but I have been vaping for 2+ years now and they have been on version 2 for at least that duration and the only update for version 2.5 was a new body only!!! It serves the old adage, why fix it if it isn't broken...

All the others haven't been out long enough to be put in that class yet. Look at how many different versions or revisions of the Smok V/Z max's there are!!!! Sigelei, I think is on version 3 or 4 already and hasn't been on the market but 6-8 months now. The Vamo is only about 4 months and I think there releasing version 3 already!!! The eVic software has had 3 revisions also. I will say as far as all the new VV/VW units in general, I believe they all share the exact same SmokTech board inside now... I could be wrong on that, but I believe I read somewhere they do...

You might also take a look into some of the box type mods out there as well. Feeder mods are real popular as well. I myself vape a Vmod XL from Vapage and the REO bottom feeders are extremely well made and very popular. I switched to the Vmod as I was tired of carrying around an extra bottle of juice all day along with extra batteries. Now I just make sure the bottle is filled up, battery is fresh, and i'm good to go all day while i'm out and about. I also just recently purchased an all mechanical mod, The Natural, to go with the rebuildable atty's I bought to get back into dripping. I used to drip and drive for a living and is what lead me to the Vmod. Now when I am out and about or sitting at home I can still drip on the rebuildables. Nothing matches the flavor of dripping!!! This reason again, is why I chose a bottom feeder, other that the convenience of having juice on board and being able to use an atty... Not to mention it is pocketable while doing things...

Another thing I always took into account when looking for something new was the length of time and post count of people that recommended things.... Just remember you need to make the decision for yourself and try not to succumb to the, get this one or that one because of (insert almost anything here), responses you get from a lot of people here on the forum. Too many noobs today that have not tried multiple devices, are all too anxious to jump on the recommendation band wagon alll too quickly... And then when the 510 connector pops out of the unit/leaks or the wiring in the control head fries, or the board comes loose, or the window for the display cracks or comes loose, and on and on, the response is "I will just send it back to the vendor for a replacement", or if its out of warranty you see their next thread, "I finally broke down and bought a Provari"!!!!! That cracks me up... I have been through the journey of cig-alikes to eGo's to APV's, as well as carto's to cartridges, (yes their different!!), to tanks to atty's to rebuildables and on and on.... What a journey to say the least.... If I only knew then what I know now!!!

Sorry, I didn't mean for this to be so long...

I have to say that my vamo has been performing flawlessly for 4 months. I see no reason it will not continue, but it only costs about $40 so not much more than the twist the OP is using now.

True, the provari is near bullet-proof and has a great company behind it that will support the device for longer than a VAMO. However, if the OP wants to get his feet wet with a APV, the VAMO is a pretty low risk option. If 6 months from now he decides a provari is the way he wants to go, then his only cost with the VAMO is pretty much the cost of a twist, and hey, then he still has the VAMO as a backup.

 

[b_1620]

I may be able to help you out. I have a Provari, some carto tanks, atomizers, RDA, and a bit of liquid you could sample if you ever want to meet up some time.

 

[Crocky]

Ok! I'm from eastern NC...near Rocky Mouny but I've been here for years now.

Yep only about 45 minutes from me

As Chimney34 already pointed out, the Provari is only VV. There are charts and calculators out there that will tell you what ohm atty or carto to put on any device to achieve the wattage you are looking for and you really don't need a variable power device to get this. I for instance as I said in the previous post, use a Vmod XL and have installed a Kick from Evolv to attain a 10w consistent vape all the time. I previously used 1.5 ohm atty's on all my devices to achieve in or around 9-10w. They would start out at 4.2v, (freshly charged), 11.76w and trickle down from there to 3.5v or 8.16w and then would change the battery out. The majority of the battery life is usually in or around 3.7v though and that would be 9.12w, which was my sweet spot so to say... Here is the link for the Ohm's Law Calculator I have been using for a few years now... Hope this helps...

Wow, thanks for the info and the link to the chart. I need to save that I thin kiwis worried about not knowing what to set it at and blowing myself up...LOL. That is why I was thinking variable power so that takes the guessing out and I can tweak it, But with the chart that will help and not limit myself. I typically like 1.8ohm and have a ton of them for my evod so I will likely be using them for a while

You won't notice much difference between a VV or VW APV and your current setup.

On the downside

It will be 1) larger 2) require batteries and charger

On the upside

1) It will have a longer iifetime 2) allow you to swap out batteries if one dies.

The vape itself will be the same.

Don't stress too much. If you want to try a APV with swapable batteries, a VAMO is a hard one to beat given the very low cost. variable watt settings, and easy to use menu systems/buttons, did I mention cost? The strength of the provari is customer service and build quality.

So there really is not much difference between an APV and my twist?? I must have misinterpreted some of the info I have read here that says the quality of vale is soooo much better

I have to say that my vamo has been performing flawlessly for 4 months. I see no reason it will not continue, but it only costs about $40 so not much more than the twist the OP is using now.

True, the provari is near bullet-proof and has a great company behind it that will support the device for longer than a VAMO. However, if the OP wants to get his feet wet with a APV, the VAMO is a pretty low risk option. If 6 months from now he decides a provari is the way he wants to go, then his only cost with the VAMO is pretty much the cost of a twist, and hey, then he still has the VAMO as a backup.

Yep I agree, if it works great it would be a good one to get my feet wet with. I have also been looking at the sigelei zmax 3 telescope for the reasons I can use a shorter version and also the CVI by anyvape. I found both these on varitube.com website. I have not read much about the CVI though. Thanks so much fir the info. By the way I am a gal

I may be able to help you out. I have a Provari, some carto tanks, atomizers, RDA, and a bit of liquid you could sample if you ever want to meet up some time.

That would be awesome!!

 

[junkman]

So there really is not much difference between an APV and my twist?? I must have misinterpreted some of the info I have read here that says the quality of vale is soooo much better

Yeah, not really different. Both are just methods of sending power to whatever you have on top. Quality of the vapor is going to depend more on what you put on top.

 

[b_1620]

I'll find out what days I have off when I go to work tomorrow and send you a PM and we can figure something out.

 

[rand4ll]

I just got my provari myself and love it. Extremely easy to use. It doesn't have VW as many have already pointed out and while it is a nice feature and set and forget type of thing, the provari tells me my true ohms, with that I use a ohm calculator on my android phone to find out what voltage to set to get my desired watts, which for me is right around 8.

VW would be nice it just isn't necessary. However I am still a noon so take my opinions with that in mind.