I am heartbroken. Public E-Cig smoking has been banned in King Co (Seattle) Wa.

[Erica L. Butler]

King County bans public e-cigarette smoking - seattlepi.com

And this would be why I hate nanny-statism. I've been smoke-free for a year, and using an e-cig was the only way I've ever been able to make it stick. This is about shaming anyone who even *looks* like they're smoking, and it's probably also about TAXES. I am disgusted.

"But the state's tobacco smoking ban, adopted in 2006, was based on the fact that second-hand smoke causes cancer and other diseases. The rationale behind King County's e-cig ban was a fear of eroding "social norms."

Health officials reasoned that the fake smokes - which emit a less-smelly, combustion-free vapor - are so similar to real smokes that they may cause people to think it's OK to smoke in public. And that may lead to more nicotine addiction and second-hand smoke, officials said.

"By returning smoking to the public eye, public e-cigarette use threatens to undermine the social norming impact" of the smoking ban, testified Scott Neal, manager of the tobacco prevention program for Public Health -- Seattle & King County.

The regulation also prohibits the sale of e-cigarettes, often marketed in bright colors and fun flavors, from minors. It also bans free giveaways and heavily discounted sales of the products."

 

[WillyZee]

didn't they just make (something else) legal there?

 

[str3ck]

this is all based on money. the cities and state receive money for being "clean air" cities. it's not about safety of health concerns. there are many cities in Oklahoma that are trying to do the same thing.

same thing goes for organizations trying to label c-cigs as tobacco products. that way they can control them, as well as tax them.

 

[Fortyniene]

Dang. The wet side strikes again I had a security guard at Quest field tell me to either put it away or he was going to take it from me. I put it my pocket and walked away. He's lucky I was so nice as my mood wasn't very good being that the Seahawks where kicking my Niners butts.

 

[cags]

.............. that way they can control them.........

and us

 

[BernieVideo]

To be clear....

The measure is not a complete ban on e-cigarettes. Rather, it prohibits e-cigarette smoking in the same places where real smoking is forbidden by the state, such as restaurants, bars and workplaces.


So, not banned outright. You can still vape there, just not anywhere tabacco smoking is prohibited. It is the same thing many cities have done, that we need to keep fighting against.


The article goes on to say...

Nick Licata said the public-use ban appears to be based on slim evidence and may set up the county for legal challenges.

I don't know if the CASAA is funded well enough to take on these kinds of legal cases, but we need to find an organization that will.

 

[Fortyniene]

didn't they just ********** there?

Just a fyi mods don't like this kind of talk. But yep Washington is a great state as long as you are on the correct side of the cascades.

 

[Erica L. Butler]

didn't they just make (something else) legal there?

They sure did. And I'll tell you something. I'm in a band, and we toured last March--US tour. We did 21 shows in 22 days in a whole bunch of states. Not one venue had a problem with me vaping, not backstage, not in the green room, on stage-- etc-- not until we came back to Seattle. It's just sad.

 

[DetraMental]

Well perhaps if they quit selling cig-a-likes the problems would be mostly solved as pv's don't look a thing like a cigarette. Most people use them so as to have something small and convenient to carry out and about. This is blatant discrepancy. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, etc....seems a bit peckish



Ps. I know I used cig-a-likes in the beginning cuz' I needed the look and feel of a cigarette so I'm not downing them. Just being cynical.

 

[Silent Scream]

They sure did. And I'll tell you something. I'm in a band, and we toured last March--US tour. We did 21 shows in 22 days in a whole bunch of states. Not one venue had a problem with me vaping, not backstage, not in the green room, on stage-- etc-- not until we came back to Seattle. It's just sad.

I was at a Nick Cave concert recently in London. Vaping was banned. Meanwhile the main stage emitted insane amounts of dry ice all through the whole gig, which is basically the same effect as vaping but in ludicrous amounts.

Makes sense, right?

 

[double_aa_ron]

didn't they just make (something else) legal there?

I find it funny that it's okay to smoke a "........" cigarette*stupid censorship* (not that there's anything wrong with that), but not an "electronic" cigarette.

 

[Caridwen]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ation/255864-why-we-dont-allow-drug-talk.html

ECF is the global central resource for electronic cigarette information. As such, one of its main duties is to remain respectable and to present the best possible face of e-cigarette use to the outside world. Our task is therefore to assure visitors that e-cigarette use is respectable, normal and entirely legal in every way.

One of the main problems we face is a continual propaganda assault paid for by commercial rivals who will suffer as e-cigarettes become more widely used. This is a serious issue for them because the smoking-related death rate will fall dramatically, in an exact parallel with the number of smokers who convert to an e-cigarette, in any country where e-cigarettes are freely available. The obvious superiority of e-cigarettes over tobacco products, and as a better solution than trying to quit (especially with the ineffective or dangerous pharmaceutical interventions), means that e-cigs are a serious threat to the income of some major vested interests. The only way they can counter this is to use a combination of lies, propaganda and suborned officials to try and stop e-cigarettes.

One way they might succeed is to portray e-cigarettes as intrinsically undesirable, or illegal, or even as a way to use illegal drugs. To stop this taking place we need to ensure that web searches for terms associated with this type of material do not return ECF in the results, and that searches on ECF produce nothing. We should keep ECF 'clean' in order to stop them succeeding. This is why words related to these topics are automatically censored by our software.

We hope you now understand why certain subjects are not allowed on ECF.

 

[double_aa_ron]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ation/255864-why-we-dont-allow-drug-talk.html

ECF is the global central resource for electronic cigarette information. As such, one of its main duties is to remain respectable and to present the best possible face of e-cigarette use to the outside world. Our task is therefore to assure visitors that e-cigarette use is respectable, normal and entirely legal in every way.

One of the main problems we face is a continual propaganda assault paid for by commercial rivals who will suffer as e-cigarettes become more widely used. This is a serious issue for them because the smoking-related death rate will fall dramatically, in an exact parallel with the number of smokers who convert to an e-cigarette, in any country where e-cigarettes are freely available. The obvious superiority of e-cigarettes over tobacco products, and as a better solution than trying to quit (especially with the ineffective or dangerous pharmaceutical interventions), means that e-cigs are a serious threat to the income of some major vested interests. The only way they can counter this is to use a combination of lies, propaganda and suborned officials to try and stop e-cigarettes.

One way they might succeed is to portray e-cigarettes as intrinsically undesirable, or illegal, or even as a way to use illegal drugs. To stop this taking place we need to ensure that web searches for terms associated with this type of material do not return ECF in the results, and that searches on ECF produce nothing. We should keep ECF 'clean' in order to stop them succeeding. This is why words related to these topics are automatically censored by our software.

We hope you now understand why certain subjects are not allowed on ECF.

I totally get that, but this particular discussion is about the irony that it is apparently okay to use the "illegal" stuff, but not an e-cig.

This just illustrates that out right banning a word from our vocabulary isn't a good thing.

 

[D. Waterhouse]

If they are worried that it looks like cigarette smoking the solution is obvious! Ban the public use of CIGALIKES! My SID and ARO combo doesn't look like a cigarette.

 

[Caridwen]

I totally get that, but this particular discussion is about the irony that it is apparently okay to use the "illegal" stuff, but not an e-cig.

This just illustrates that out right banning a word from our vocabulary isn't a good thing.

Understand. We just don't want certain words to show up in google searches.

 

[double_aa_ron]

Understand. We just don't want certain words to show up in google searches.

I understand and I respect that. I know some people would try to show this or other treads out of context as pro illicit drug use.

 

[joeybear]

If you're walking around outside, shopping o r walking in the downtown area, is it illegal?

 

[DC2]

This happened nearly three years ago.

Yes, I know it doesn't piss you off any less, but I thought I would point it out.
If I remember correctly King County was possibly the first or second place to include e-cigs in smoking bans.

The first may have been the state of New Jersey.

 

[Jayvaps]

So 'normalizing smoking again' is going to be the way that they attack e cigs, huh. Depressing how far freedom has been squashed in this country.

 

[Caridwen]

This happened nearly three years ago.

Yes, I know it doesn't piss you off any less, but I thought I would point it out.
If I remember correctly King County was possibly the first or second place to include e-cigs in smoking bans.

The first may have been the state of New Jersey.

I was gonna say- they already got us DC2. Stinks for sure.