I "fell off the wagon"

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Aizen-sama

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Iolite: Is a butane powered 190C vaporizer. It is not an "electronic cigarette" but more like a portable hookah. It can be used with regular tobacco or herbal blends, shisha or non-tobacco molasses, or you can even use regular e-liquid but that hits REALLY hard.
How do you like it? I've actually thought about buying one because I love my vaporizer (Da Buddha) and would love a portable one, but the price kinda scared me away.

I think everybody here falls off the wagon occasionally. I got into a car accident two weeks ago and a friend who was in the car with me offered me a cigarette in the aftermath of it. I was stressed as hell, so I accepted it and subsequently took up smoking again up until a few days ago when I realized that I was going back on all of the progress I was making in staying off of the cigarettes. Prior to that I'd been cig free for over a month. Now I've been cig free for three days and I know that I'm going to stick with it.

Good luck to you! :) We're all behind you on your effort to quit.
 

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Kimber.

I have had my Joye 510 for 6 months. I haven't quit. In fact, today is only the second time I've tried to quit completely. I am on day 3.

Don't feel bad, I would VAPE AND STILL SMOKE A PACK AND A HALF A DAY. LoL, definately not good but hey I like to do both.

Here is a tip for those who want to quit. Stop with the little banners on the bottom. Create a SAVINGS ACCOUNT, and every 2 days, put the amount that you would spend on cigarettes in it. At 6.91 a pack, I am saving 14 dollars every two days. Once you get to 200, buy 100 worth of E-CIG supplies to keep the habit going, and take that 100 and BUY SOMETHING FOR YOURSELF. Maybe some teeth whitening, or new clothes that don't have cigarette holes in them.

This is a game. Your mind tries to win. We are all addicted to these things. We are all bound to fall off the wagon. What seperates you from people who CAN'T stop, is your will power.

DO YOU HAVE WHAT IT TAKES?

I've been vaping only a week but I'm already trying the 'savings account' method myself. If I don't buy any analogs, I will have $140-150 extra a month. I've already withdrawn the $35 I saved this week. What to do with it? Maybe some coffee flavored e-juice... :)

NOW....if I can get my husband to quit dipping Copenhagen, then we'd really be in the money. I let him try my pv and he just shrugged and said "It's not the same thing". I realize it's not (even though I've never stuck tobacco under my bottom lip) but I'm wondering if anyone who dips (or knows someone who dips) has ever tried vaping? I'd love for him to be my vaping buddy...but he was never a smoker.

As for 'falling off the wagon' my opinion is that that wagon is different shapes and sizes for different people. My vape wagon is still hooked up and in motion. I have friends who climb on and off their vape wagons with no remorse. Vaping is an option for them, not a smoking replacement. For me, it's a smoking replacement....until it becomes a vaping habit instead. Like others have said, I am a nicotine addict. That's not gonna change anytime soon. I just intend to get rid of being an analog addict. I wouldn't beat myself up if I smoked one, though. But something tells me the smell alone would instantly remind me of why I bought my pv. Time will tell. :)
 

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But I really wish that transitioning off analogs wouldn't be cause for anyone to be 'on the wagon' to begin with.
That always kinda bothers me about this place. I do believe that the more that folks turn this into a contest with themselves to give up cigs the moment they touch a pv, the more likely they are to go back.

I'm baffled at when using a pv became a mandate to never light up again.
While I understand motivations are different for everyone, I generally agree with this. And none of my comments here are a personal reply to anyone in the thread.

I'm one who quit cigarettes on the day I started using ecigs, and I do have that date written down somewhere in case I want to gaze upon it. However there have been a couple occasions where I've had cigarettes for various reasons, and I proceeded deliberately with no fretting, no guilt, no 'falling off the wagon' mindset. It was simply that I was a vaper who was having a cigarette for the moment. I didn't let myself think about doom and gloom possibilities. And I didn't go alter my quit date or consider it failed.

With that same mindset, I don't use quit banners and go on and on about how much smokers stink and this and that. I just don't think it would be helpful to keep me in a positive frame of mind about being a vaper (rather than an ex-smoker who might crumble at any moment). And if I needed to be on an anti-smoking/anti-smoker forum, well, there are plenty of those elsewhere on the net. I want the core and focus of ECF to support my vaping (within the limits of what we know), not trash smokers nor be all 'abstinence is all there is or you've failed' AA for smokers. For me, that would create a stressful fear of failure rather than confidence about being a vaper.
 

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Thanks for posting this, Kimber. All the respones as a result of it have given me hope. I "fall off the wagon" ALL the time. I just can't seem to break the darn analog cycle. I have tried upping my nic. (Currently 36mg), but there is just "something" that seems to keep pulling me back.
Obviously, I can't offer any advice for you, I just want to thank you for your honesty. At least I know I am not laying on the curb by myself! :oops:
 

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Kimber.

I have had my Joye 510 for 6 months. I haven't quit. In fact, today is only the second time I've tried to quit completely. I am on day 3.

Don't feel bad, I would VAPE AND STILL SMOKE A PACK AND A HALF A DAY. LoL, definately not good but hey I like to do both.

Here is a tip for those who want to quit. Stop with the little banners on the bottom. Create a SAVINGS ACCOUNT, and every 2 days, put the amount that you would spend on cigarettes in it. At 6.91 a pack, I am saving 14 dollars every two days. Once you get to 200, buy 100 worth of E-CIG supplies to keep the habit going, and take that 100 and BUY SOMETHING FOR YOURSELF. Maybe some teeth whitening, or new clothes that don't have cigarette holes in them.

This is a game. Your mind tries to win. We are all addicted to these things. We are all bound to fall off the wagon. What seperates you from people who CAN'T stop, is your will power.

DO YOU HAVE WHAT IT TAKES?

As someone who has "one of those little banners", I don't much enjoy reading someone demeaning something that has worked for me. Heck, if we rally "HAD WHAT IT TAKES", then we'd quit cold turkey and spend the whole $200 on getting a ...... and a bottle of Old Granddad. (And then we'd want a cigarette!!)

The whole "DO YOU HAVE WHAT IT TAKES" attitude toward someone who is struggling only implies that they're struggling due to some character flaw, or that they're just weak, etc... Raven is going through an entirely different situation than I am, and even if she was smoking half of what she used to I would applaud her for being far stronger than me. I got divorced and moved in with a non-smoking GF... I was either going to have to spend half my life on the porch or quit. There's no cigarettes in my house unless I go out and buy them. That said, I still fall off the wagon occasionally when the Ex takes me into court which is stress someone else might not deal with.

I appreciate your zeal, but in all of that please don't forget that there are people here who use the little banners and DO quit. There are people who quit just because they like vaping better. They're not "stronger" than the rest of us, they don't have any "more of what it takes"... Many times they're just in a different place in their life. Sometimes they're lucky to only be addicted to the Nicotine itself instead of the MAOI inhibitors and other various chemicals.

If I smoke a cigarette, then I've still won 19 battles out of 20 that day. Eventually, I'll win the war. Until then I'll congratulate myself on my victories and forget my defeats. I've had this habit for 25 years, I didn't expect it to go down without a fight.
 

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Whatever you decide to do there's no reason to get down on yourself. We're all nicotine users here, you just decided to use another nic delivery device.

I got a 510 back around august 2009. the day I got it I stopped using cigarettes, pretty much due to the fact I enjoyed vaping more than actual smoking. The flavors, the vapor all appealed to me more than analogs. I was very surprised at how poor "vapor" production was from a regular cigarette. I hadn't smoked more than one or two in all that time until about 3 weeks or so ago. This morning is the first time since then I've picked the pv back up (6v mod) What caused me to drop the pv is atomizers. Plain and simple. For all the drawbacks of cigarettes, the one thing they have going for them is they work. Every time, every pack you buy you know each one will light, burn and smoke. I am so tired of buying atomizers that work for a day, a week, a month or not at all. Would any of us gotten hooked on cigarettes if we bought a pack and some wouldn't light at all..some would smoke for a few puffs and die and a rare few would smoke to the end?

Each atomizer is another $8 down the drain. I love vaping, but I'm just plain tired of playing Russian roulette with my cash. That being said, after picking my pv back up with my last functioning 901 atty I know I'm going to have to bite the bullet and take the chance again. Sooo...anyone know a good place for genuine slb 801 attys? :)

Hang in there and don't let it stress you out.
 
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How do you like it? I've actually thought about buying one because I love my vaporizer (Da Buddha) and would love a portable one, but the price kinda scared me away.

I found mine on ebay for $160 shipped. If you like Da Buddha, you'd love the Iolite. I have had one major problem: If left on too long, the mouthpiece gets pretty hot near the chamber and the plastic can get brittle and break. As I've gotten used to this, it becomes less of a problem. Even still, I do not regret the purchase as it performs amazingly and I'm loving the convenience of butane power.
 

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Thanks for posting this, Kimber. All the respones as a result of it have given me hope. I "fall off the wagon" ALL the time. I just can't seem to break the darn analog cycle. I have tried upping my nic. (Currently 36mg), but there is just "something" that seems to keep pulling me back.
Obviously, I can't offer any advice for you, I just want to thank you for your honesty. At least I know I am not laying on the curb by myself! :oops:

There are reason people fall off the wagon and go back to cigarettes. One of the major ones is that e-liquid is just not a very robust form of nicotine. It's the same type of purified nicotine used in nicotine gum and patches. For many it doesn't have the same satisfaction level as tobacco. There are other alkaloids (MOAI's) in tobacco that are missing, and for many, that's what draws you back to smoking. Nicotine is the stimulant part of smoking but the other alkaloids have the relaxing element.

It's not surprising that when people get stressed they crave some real tobacco as opposed to a PV. That's when you're going to crave the relaxing part of tobacco missing in your PV. If after a reasonable amount of time you still can't stop yourself from... falling off the wagon... I would suggest trying to supplement your PV with some snus or nasal snuff. You'll get the missing elements in tobacco without the harm done from smoking.
 
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Well Kimber and all, lots of advice for the struggling vaper. Some good...some bad. The good is if you want to stop smoking, try again. You haven't given up til you give up. That's about it. So many folks trying to tell someone who has been vaping for 6 months to up the nic....duh :rolleyes:. The bewildered period is over long before 6 months. I know everyone wants to be helpful and that's great, that's what makes this such a good forum for all of us. Education is part of the program, though, and if I know something others don't, I have a responsibility to share it. I know I'm stepping on toes, but so be it, everybody listen up. There are folks on this forum that have, indeed, found the perfect alternative to smoking and live happily ever after. That's the way it ought to be. Unfortunately, there are also those who aren't as lucky and if you're one of those unlucky ones, as I am, PV's aren't the be all, end all. I'm the "been there, done that" guy. I spent loads of cash on anything I thought would satisfy my quest for throat hit, I vaped 75mg/ml eliquid that was taboo, I vaped myself sick, never took the PV out of my face except to sleep and still couldn't stop the crave. I wasn't smoking, but I wasn't living either. Depression symptoms in the form of loss of motivation for anything but breathing and loss of appetite, plus growing anxiety had me sinking into a very dark world.....all 'cause I didn't smoke cigarettes. The fact is, many smoke not only to feed a nicotine addiction, but to use the associated maoi effects to self-medicate and regulate those normal bodily functions that aren't normal for some of us. Normal folks automatically produce a certain amount of dopamine when they do, eat or feel things they like. That's our natural pleasure drug. After a predetermined time the body reabsorbs it. That doesn't happen like it should in some of us and cigarettes have been the key to normal living, but we didn't know it until we stopped smoking. All eliquids only contain the stripped nicotine molecule, not the associated alkaloids. For me and many others, eliquid was a mere stimulant that had no effect on calming, relaxation or mental focus....the very things we desperately sought. For some, a short period of transition is needed for the body the correctly regulate itself after walking away from smokes. For others regulation never comes....ever. Those are the one I address. The fact is tobacco is not bad. I know, the anti's have us convinced, but they're wrong. Tobacco has medicinal value as does tea and other herbs. The anti-anxiety and anti-depressant quality is top-notch. No harm in responsible use. Smoking is bad. Be it full time or part, studies show little difference in smoking related health problems between those who smoke a lot or a little. Hard to believe? Check it out http://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/pubs/contents/4fc74817-64c5-4105-951e-38239b09c5db.pdf. I use smokeless tobacco in the form of Swedish snus. It's not dip or chew, but while studies show certain health risks associated with their use, dip is not as bad as the anti's would have us believe and a far cry safer than smokes. No, I use Swedish snus because it's been used for over a couple centuries and has the studies to back up its claim to reduced harm. It's effective in keeping many of us off smokes because it gives back all the psychoactive ingredients of a smoke without the smoke. For anyone who still has to have a few smokes to get through the day and have been vaping for a while, or those who are on and off and can't seem to keep from going back, I challenge you to try some real Swedish snus http://getsnus.com/snus/sample_offer.asp, have a nice casual vape and deny the fact that the combo is more satisfying than cigarettes ever were. And until there's evidence to the contrary, I consider Swedish snus to be at least as safe and wholesome as PV's, if not safer. The studies are there. Some of have no choice but to "fall off the wagon" if we don't know there's a better way. For those who found success in your PV, keep it up and live happy. For the rest who want to quit smokes, but can't get the job done with just a PV, go to the Smokeless sub-forum Smokeless tobacco - E-Cigarette Forum and start new thread with all your questions. Lots of good and helpful folks there, and every one has been in your shoes. And to be clear, guys and gals alike are using Swedish snus. It's discrete, spit-less, tastes good and it works :).
 

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Thanks everyone for sharing your stories. I've got some good juice coming in the mail. I think I'm going to use Sherid's approach and use the Pv because I want to, not because I have to. I'm so stubborn, it won't work any other way! :)
Badbeams, if I knew who my avatar was, I would try to set something up but I just took the image from google so I have no idea who she is! LOL
 

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Wife and I haven't fallen off at all, however there was a time when we were feeling like we weren't getting the satisfaction that we were looking for with our pvs.

For us the solution was dripping...

We tried tea bags, blue foam and standard poly which we liked at the time but now we look back and talk about how nothing compares to dripping.

We use 510s and when you drip on a 510 with some high mg (we always use 25mg or higher) it really kicks... more throat hit than an analog ever gave... lot's of nicotine... very satisfying.

Now we've been dripping for a couple of months and I don't think we'll go back to filler in the cartridges any time soon.

So yeah... long story short... switch to drip only... high mg liquid into a 510 or hv. It takes a few days or maybe a week to really get good at dripping so that you can get consistently strong hits but it's definitely worth the effort.

Happy vaporizing, CB
 

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I started vaping a year ago after smoking for over 20 years and did really well for several months.. then some very stressful things happened and I fell off the wagon in a BIG way. I didn't pick up my PV again until two weeks ago, despite having at least a years worth of juice lying around. I ended up smoking a pack a day.. not quite as much as I used to, but a pack more than I want to.

But eventually I got back on and I have not touched an analog in two weeks. It took a lot of work for me to start vaping again.. I knew it was time over a month ago but kept putting it off. I don't understand why it was so hard to get my mind there, since once I started again, i have not looked back and I am keeping a positive attitude that I will stay off the analogs again (despite my mother telling me that since I failed at it the first time, I am going to again. I tell her at least I am trying she still smokes like a chimney and has no use for the e-cig.. fine by me but I ask her to be encouraging instead of telling me I will fail).

I came back to the forums and I spend hours on here because it does really help. The whole time I was off the wagon, I did not come on here once. If I start to slide again, this time I will come here and not skulk away in shame.

Don't ever get down on yourself if you fall off the path you have set for yourself. Just brush yourself off and get back up. Do whatever you need to do to stay on your path. For me the forums are the only place I feel encouraged, just by reading. My friends and family all think vaping is silly and will not work. I have ZERO support. For awhile there people were proud of me, until they saw me smoking analogs again, which of course shamed me even more. This time around, no one takes my effort seriously. But that is OK.. in the long run, they will see.

No one else needs to have faith in me, so long as I have faith in myself.
 
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