I hate Dekang/Boge liquid. Kah-kah!

[Zelphie]

I'm sure that the girls at Cignot would NEVER knowingly sell a fake product. They are wonderful woman and extraordinarily helpful. I'll have to email them and ask there opinion on what I got. I had no idea that there was fake stuff going around. Never even considered it.

I got a bottle of chocolate and a bottle of vanilla from a local smoke shop around here that was just like the chocolate and vanilla I got from Cignot. The other flavors I got all had that bad taste and choc, van, and capp. all tasted very much the same, BUT the RY4 I got was actually quite tasty. One of my favorite things I've vaped. And that was from Cignot on the same order as the other stuff.

I'll definitely shoot an email to Vicki and ask Glad to know that this is going on, because I'd love to get some more of that RY4

Thanks for bringing this to my attention! I'll have to figure it out and give DK another chance. I don't care where it's made if it tastes good

Cignot isnt selling fake juices. They sell their own brand and others as well including boge/dekang and that is the $3 for 5ml that you described, its under "other pg" and "other vg" on their site. Personally I love it.

 

[derek88]

Dekang might be alright if they suck to one recipe and didn't tweak it once they got it right till then Ill try some vendor liquid but stick to my own liquid making for the most part.

 

[markarich159]

As a clinical pharmacist who's worked in industry for a short while, DK/Boge is the only liquid I will vape(rarely I'll a try a small bottle of the "fad" US flavor of the month, but that is it). Apostle51's post a few pages back (the one with the pictures and video) says it all. The Chinese(i.e. DK/Boge) are leaps and bounds ahead of US eliquid manufacturers when it comes to Production teccnology and Quality control/assurance. The facilty(and the airlock/cleanroom technolgy along with a GMP certified process) speaks for itself, but the independent certifications DK/Boge has(from TUV, SGS, ISO, South Korean FDA, etc...), while not quite approaching US FDA cGMP approved status, certainly add a huge amount of legitimacy to their process.

When I have proof that a US supplier is utilizing anything close to airlock/cleanroom technology or at least HEPA certified laminar flow hoods and aseptic technique, I may change my mind. eliquid is a product designed for direct human pulmonary inhalation and it's production deserves no less than this level of QC/QA.

Also, to the post about Johnson Creek and them being FDA approved, they are not. They have self-registered their facility as per a 2002 bioterrorism act; which required all facilities in the US producing product marketed in the USA intended for human consumption to register. They, nor their product, process or facility, has ever been approved or inspected by the FDA.

As I've now said in countless posts, voluntary implementation , by US eliquid manufacturers or the US eliquid industry in general, of DK/Boge-like process standards would go a long way to help legitimize the entire industry.

I Know, I know, we don't have the money; do you know how much that would cost; we're just a little mom & pop run business etc... I've heard the excuses. If you're serious and want your business/industry to stay around for the long haul(and aren't just in this for a quick buck on an , as yet, unregulated, high margin item) here's what to do. Start re-investing your profits immediately into building a REAL non-cottage eliquid maufacturing firm; obtain a business loan; incorporate and find investors, etc..(you know , all that stuff that legitimate business's do to raise capital). THEN, hire appropriate industry trained personnel or consultants and start the process of building your company into a proper eliquid business(i.e. Contact your local Chamber of Commerce or an appropriate local, State or Federal agency to find out what licensing & recordkeeping requirements are necessary to get up and running or hire someone as a consultant to do it for you; Equip a lab and hire competent, trained lab personnel or outsource to an already existing one for all your pre, inter and post process testing requirements; Create a real, fully equipped manufacturing plant or process structure that is compliant with the latest technology & regulations to ensure safety, quality control/assurance; Create an actual standardized, patented recipe & SOP-standard operating procedure- for it's production, labeling, and packaging in said plant; Hire an attorney and obtain appropriate product Liability insurance to cover your(and the rest of our) ....(s) - This is what SHOULD have been done from the start(back in 2007 or 2008) and the industry might not be in the legal mess it currently finds itself embroiled -

Or don't and keep manufacturing in your kitchen, basement, bathroom, garage. Eventually some local, state, or Federal Bureacrat will be knocking at your door with warrants. Then the fun really starts.

 

[Firefly13]

You must have had some old crap sitting around for ages or fake stuff..... i vape the latest Dekang stuff all the time and it is fantastic, yeah they have a few horrible flavors but who doesn't ?

 

[USinchains]

My top 3 favorites for the last 9 months are all DK tobacco flavors from Cignot, purchased multiple times over. My wife bought a bunch of the fruity and chocolate DK stuff from there, I don't dig those very much.

 

[markarich159]

Wow, I can't believe someone actually proudly posted THIS picture as an example of a proper facility for the production/packaging of a product intended for direct human pulmonary inhalation. My pharmaceutics professor, Joseph Lister and Louis Pasteur are all rolling over in their graves right now. At least we can grab the phone(one of the dirtiest common household implements, bacteria count wise) though while we're mixing up eliquid.

 

[USinchains]

Is that suppose to be the emergency fire sprinkler system on the top shelf?? Maybe e-liquid mixing just requires that much water on hand. Plumbers can be expensive.

 

[boochips]

I think some people carry things a bit too far. I have been vaping over a year and mostly make my own menthol tobacco flavor for myself, my best friend and my sister. I don't have a lab and I don't wear gloves either (oh horror!) Sometimes I even answer the phone while I am making it (OMG!). NONE of us have gotten sick from bacteria or anything else.

 

[Abe]

boochips, did you really think that post out before you posted it? markarich159 is talking about the production of e-liquid for sale to the general public, you have to magnify what you are doing on a small scale up to a much large scale making/selling thousands of bottles a day, an error/problem would occur using your methods in such a scenario.

 

[markarich159]

boochips, did you really think that post out before you posted it? markarich159 is talking about the production of e-liquid for sale to the general public, you have to magnify what you are doing on a small scale up to a much large scale making/selling thousands of bottles a day, an error/problem would occur using your methods in such a scenario.

Correct, there's also no liabilty and no one to blame but yourself if you make an error. Most importantly, there are no regulations to abide unless you introduce the product into commerce(intra or interstate). However, (and someone emailed me a few days ago asking for practical DIY advice & I told her the same thing - the person asked):

Is there a reason I can't make my own liquid as long as I'm careful to only use USP ingredients and keep small quantities on hand? I so much appreciate you being there for all of us on ECF!!


My answer was:

Good question;
No, there is no reason AS LONG as you use USP ingredients(for the main components-Nicotine, PG, VG) and the flavorings(as well as the other minor ingredients) are AT LEAST guaranteed food grade from the FCC-food chemical codex(I would prefer everything being pharmaceutical grade, but that’s just me), and you know, from experience, you have no problems with tolerating any of them. The Dekang/Boge Chinese stuff(already being certified by SGS, TUV etc…) has already been certified to this standard. I would also TRY to make the DIY in the most cleanly environment humanly possible(when compounding items of this nature – IV solutions, Opthalmics, Inhalation solutions, etc…-, pharmacists use a technique called aseptic technique which guarantees maintenance of sterility- of course this technique necessitates the use of a several thousand dollar HEPA certified , laminar flow air hood; which is not usually available to the general vaping consumer). In industry, a sterile or cleanroom environment with an airlocked entrance would be standard. Hope that helps.

 

[Zelphie]

I do agree with what markarich has to say, and I find thhe idea of small home buisnesses quite creepy. Imagination is the limit on this concern. But, I find myself purchasing both us and dekang suppliers because it seems that dekang can taste different each time you get it, so I search all over for consistancy. It could be great on one order and terrible the next. Why is this? Is there any supplier who sells consistant tasting dekang, if so shoot me their name.

 

[Zelphie]

Correct, there's also no liabilty and no one to blame but yourself if you make an error. Most importantly, there are no regulations to abide unless you introduce the product into commerce(intra or interstate). However, (and someone emailed me a few days ago asking for practical DIY advice & I told her the same thing - the person asked):

Is there a reason I can't make my own liquid as long as I'm careful to only use USP ingredients and keep small quantities on hand? I so much appreciate you being there for all of us on ECF!!


My answer was:

Good question;
No, there is no reason AS LONG as you use USP ingredients(for the main components-Nicotine, PG, VG) and the flavorings(as well as the other minor ingredients) are AT LEAST guaranteed food grade from the FCC-food chemical codex(I would prefer everything being pharmaceutical grade, but that’s just me), and you know, from experience, you have no problems with tolerating any of them. The Dekang/Boge Chinese stuff(already being certified by SGS, TUV etc…) has already been certified to this standard. I would also TRY to make the DIY in the most cleanly environment humanly possible(when compounding items of this nature – IV solutions, Opthalmics, Inhalation solutions, etc…-, pharmacists use a technique called aseptic technique which guarantees maintenance of sterility- of course this technique necessitates the use of a several thousand dollar HEPA certified , laminar flow air hood; which is not usually available to the general vaping consumer). In industry, a sterile or cleanroom environment with an airlocked entrance would be standard. Hope that helps.

Im curious, I vape a lot of joye brand liquids. I dont know anything about their facilities or procedures. If you could offer any info Id appritiate it.

 

[markarich159]

Im curious, I vape a lot of joye brand liquids. I dont know anything about their facilities or procedures. If you could offer any info Id appritiate it.

Good question;
I've never even seen a bottle of Joye eliquid. I thought they only manufactured hardware. I just checked their website www.joyetech.com and I don't see eliquid specifically mentioned as one of their products. It's possible they rebrand(relabel) their liquid(i.e. their liquid is contract packaged for them by another Chinese eliquid manufacturer), but that's just a guess. I would contact Lina at joyetech(lina@joyetech.com or info@joyetech.com). I've already asked her a few questions via email in regards to their hardware and she was very good about getting back to me.

P.S. I buy my Dekang/Boge liquid from Dave at Rockymountainvapor.com. I've verified with him that it is genuine DK/Boge and it is ALWAYS the same each time I order(I mostly order RY4 or Flue-cured) Also, he has 50 ml bottles for $22 and shipping is free if you order over $14 worth of stuff. It's the only place I go for e-liquid and atty's.

 

[breaktru]

Hmmm.... Fake?

I got it from Cignot and you can click on a link to view extended details and it says it's made by Boge.....

Then somebody on here told me that IS Dekang.......... like that's who makes Dekang. They were $3 for 5ml bottles.

I also heard someone say that the Totally Wicked stuff was also DeKang. I don't know if this is true. I use their unflavored from TW and Loriann's Bavarian Creme and Praline and Creme about 7% flavoring mix. Don't like it too over powering. Johnsons Creek has a nice Tennessee Cured. Their Wild Cherry is too overpowering so I mix 5% some times with the Tennessee Cured. If you need to mix, try the eJuice Me Up - eJuice calculator that I made at: http://ejuice.breaktru.com

 

[jayhawk]

Boge liquid is different than dekang , I tried boge marlboro and it was awful it had that perfume taste but the dekang marlboro(USA mix) is good it's not offensive at all .I would totally agree about the boge though and I guess any flavor other than USA mix I didn't really like either especially fruity flavors .Everybody is different on juice one persons heaven is another persons hell

 

[TheMathClub]

i first tried dekang liquids, and liked them alot, then i spent a year smoking a pipe on and off and came back to the ecig, and was turned off a bit. in pipe smoking, pg is used as a tobacco moistureizer, and has a specific taste, which in a pipe is not so hot, and is preferrably avoided.

so when i came back to the dekang i was tasting the base a bit more than i did before, but i suppose i could make that arguement of pg liquids in general. my main issue with the dekangs i have now, is that they DO all taste very similar, with the exception of french pipe. that one is pretty boss. im also going to try flue cured. but that aftertaste has a habit of leveling the palette, and making them taste bland, especially when switching flavors. you get juice "fog" where everythign sort of blahs out.

what im after is more FLAVOR and less scuzzy after taste. i want to try boutique liquids, but kitchen brew is a bit scary anyone making us liquids want to chime in and educate us?? im very patriotic i want to buy american lol

 

[BrazilyanGuy]

It`s interesting because I have a dekang strawberry flavour that is really good. There are dekang liquids that are horrible like: Cinnamon, cappuccino, caramel and apple. They are impossible to vape. The worst of them is the Cinnamon taste. It tastes like pure chemical.

 

[xg4bx]

I've got no problem with DK juices, if it wasn't for them I wouldn't be vaping. I'm unemployed and therefore on a budget, being able to get a 50ml bottle of a tobacco flavor I enjoy for like $11 is awesome. American juice is an occassional treat for me, unless it's from Vapor Renu.