I hate the fda!!

[SheerLuckHolmes]

It is time for a US manufacturer to step up and begin making home grown attomizers. mod manufacturers can make battery holders all day long, but without a reliable atty the mod don't mean bupkus!

This is where the future of e-cigs lies, an American made atty. Whatta you say Jay, any chance you can work on this? If not your days as a manufacturer of one of the best mods on the market might be numbered right along side our days as free citizens.

 

[jfdpl686]

My guess is that no company will jump into this until PV issues are settled.
FDA/Government is now debating “if” PV’s are good or bad (regardless of what we think).
So, getting into design, permits, then mounting the manufacturing to be stopped in a few months is a lot of money in risk.

Think about it, you invest your money only to end that PV’s are illegal.

Yes, with the push of e-cigs (manufacturers/users) eventually, all should be legal (not without a good fight and settlements in taxes and revenue for the gov) but in that time, your investment would be frozen. A big company or a rich guy can do it, but not the everyday working person.

I think that if PV’s are banned, then we will see the same story as the alcoholic products, black market, people pushing, gov “studying the effects and healthy impact”, prices skyrocketing, then gov allowing it and taxing it high and getting support from the tobacco and pharma industry to get “regularization”. The outcome could be from a cheap great product to a controlled “same price as cigarettes” had to get product that can keep alive the cigarettes sells.

 

[curiousJan]

As far as I know,judge Leon's decision has not been overturned.I'm not totally up to speed with the legal stuff but unless they were granted a stay by the appeals court,then they are breaking the law or at least in contempt.

The FDA was granted a stay by the Federal Appellate Court pending a currently-scheduled-for Sept 2010 hearing.

Jan

 

[SheerLuckHolmes]

My guess is that no company will jump into this until PV issues are settled.
FDA/Government is now debating “if” PV’s are good or bad (regardless of what we think).
So, getting into design, permits, then mounting the manufacturing to be stopped in a few months is a lot of money in risk.

Think about it, you invest your money only to end that PV’s are illegal.

Yes, with the push of e-cigs (manufacturers/users) eventually, all should be legal (not without a good fight and settlements in taxes and revenue for the gov) but in that time, your investment would be frozen. A big company or a rich guy can do it, but not the everyday working person.

I think that if PV’s are banned, then we will see the same story as the alcoholic products, black market, people pushing, gov “studying the effects and healthy impact”, prices skyrocketing, then gov allowing it and taxing it high and getting support from the tobacco and pharma industry to get “regularization”. The outcome could be from a cheap great product to a controlled “same price as cigarettes” had to get product that can keep alive the cigarettes sells.

With type of thinking there would not be one mod on the market at all. Many 'Garage' manufacturers have sunk a not-small-sum into making mods, the GLV being only one of them.

Innovators and entenpernures that are successful think, "How can I accomplish this?" and get it done. The rest of us sit back and think about 'why it won't work' and never get it done.

I have nothing but respect for all the great people that are taking this new hobby of vaping to greater and greater levels by being willing to take the risks and looking for ways to 'get 'er done' that the rest of us aren't.

 

[StormFinch]

In a sense, both of you, jfdpl and SheerLuck, are correct I think. No 'company' will touch this technology with a ten foot pole until the legalities are settled, but we have many mom n pop suppliers popping up with product just as good or better than what is currently being shipped from overseas. I too believe that if the ban becomes a reality, it will end up going black market. In fact, I know it will, (see the poll here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/polls/66594-if-e-cigs-were-no-longer-legal.html ) and that's where the mom n pop shops become really successful. Right now the only thing that you can't find being produced in the U.S. are the atomizers, cartomizers, and possibly the adapters, and I know someone is currently working on the first one. Vaping will survive, with or without the help of the government, even if we have to go back to the days of prohibition style tactics. If a couple of guys can smuggle 30 illegals across the United States border in the back of a VW micro bus on a regular basis and .... labs can operate in the middle of a city, I don't see how the government is going to be able to stop a few e-cig mods and a couple dozen bottles of liquid. I just don't think they've realized yet that with their taxes, bans, and campaigns they have turned smokers/vapers into one of the most resourceful and obstinate groups of people on the planet.

 

[jaybird]

IMO it would be worth to come up with a( US made) atomizer if they don't ban them. If someone could make a better atomizer that would last 6 months or longer....how cool would that be. I have a an Idea in the works but its a long way off at this point.

For right now all we can do is wait, and send emails and phone calls to the right people so we can get our voices heard.

 

[5cardstud]

The sad part of the whole deal is we pay their wages to do this to us.

 

[jaybird]

The sad part of the whole deal is we pay their wages to do this to us.

Sad indeed. It's a catch 22 because we need them to keep people from selling us cardboard in our hamburger, and all of the other nasty things people would try to sell us as food/drugs.

 

[jfdpl686]

With type of thinking there would not be one mod on the market at all. Many 'Garage' manufacturers have sunk a not-small-sum into making mods, the GLV being only one of them.

Innovators and entenpernures that are successful think, "How can I accomplish this?" and get it done. The rest of us sit back and think about 'why it won't work' and never get it done.

I have nothing but respect for all the great people that are taking this new hobby of vaping to greater and greater levels by being willing to take the risks and looking for ways to 'get 'er done' that the rest of us aren't.

Seeing it as a “love story” it sounds very good. Looking at the reality we have now, not so. I do have great respect for those people too, but, in this moment, it is very difficult to find them.

The economy is not good, many people, won’t jeopardize right now. As you mention, as a hobby is great and could launch things, but not everybody have the time to do it.

Many of us are caring for a job in countless hours every day, it is not the “will” but sometimes the “time”. I would love to try something, to do many things and ideas but without the money set aside and no time.. along with not other jobs prospects.. it’s simply impossible.

Give people what we had 5 or 10 years ago, when you could find a job any time and you could be picky… then you have the time and the effort is only matter of the will to do it.

Heck, I’d love to ride my motorcycle, read a great book, sit at home and chill with my family and create many things I have in mind… but right now, I have to keep my job and do as I have to keep the well being of my family… now, if I were single… another story.

 

[rtbob]

forget about it

 

[OmahaVapor]

That does suck Jay. Sorry to hear about this. I agree that someone in the US needs to be able to make attys. There are only a couple of companies I buy attys from and I have quite a few of them and I am going to stock up on even more. It does seem like what the FDA is doing is illegal but I am sure they got their butts covered somehow. I wish they would understand that e cigs have help pry thousands of people stop smoking analogs and we should not be hated on because they dont approve them. I am still cant wait to get my GLV. No worries about not getting an atty tho. Keep up the great work Jay.

 

[miss MiA]

If you're really up to raising your blood pressure, check this out -- how the FDA handled the attempted market introduction of a simple home breast cancer detection product called the "Sensor Pad." I had heard about that one before. Nothing but a freakin silicone pad that you can feel lumps more easily through, and they went on a crusade for years as if there was some reason to think using it could kill ppl!! (No, but keeping it off the market could!!)

 

[KonaNeil]

What were the atomizers listed as on the declaration?

I'm wondering if the customs agents are now so schooled on what to look for that they can actually recognize an atomizer or if your vendor was dumb enough to declare them as electronic cigarette parts.

 

[jaybird]

What were the atomizers listed as on the declaration?

I'm wondering if the customs agents are now so schooled on what to look for that they can actually recognize an atomizer or if your vendor was dumb enough to declare them as electronic cigarette parts.

There's no doubt that they are getting smarter , and my supplier shipped them as "lung health apparatus" lats time.

 

[smokum]

Why would they even bother using that description rather than simply stating it for what it is:

A replacement electronic part - heating element

I just don't get it ?!?!

VapeOn,
Greg

 

[jfdpl686]

Regardless where the products are made; right now we are in limbo. No regulations mean anything from bad quality to FDA doing what they want. It has an implication deeper than creating business; it could mean the difference between people smoking or going a little healthier as vaping.

Since I vape, I’ve been impressed as how many people know about it. Yes, many haven’t seen a PV in person, but the information is around and known. A couple of smokers I know, are waiting for a final word in NYC about PV, they do not want to vape until is “recognized and legal” (yeah, go figure! But I guess there are many other thinking the same); and who won’t jump into black market.

Pushing the ban or seizure of this is really easy. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to recognize the main pieces of a PV. A quick training and it’s done, FDA can easily find them looking at the shipper, description, receiver or x-ray machine.

But yes, the atomizer is the key missing part. We could mix our liquids, built mods, get batteries or create “easily” cartridges… but the elusive atty is the missing part.

 

[KatyS]

Jaybird, I also got a letter this week from FDA out of Chicago, they have a order of mine 150 batteries and 40 chargers, sooo batteries and chargers are not safe either as far as Chicago goes.

 

[KonaNeil]

Jaybird, I also got a letter this week from FDA out of Chicago, they have a order of mine 150 batteries and 40 chargers, sooo batteries and chargers are not safe either as far as Chicago goes.

Katy; Was it addressed to you or to The Smokeless Shop? If the later, anything sent to you could be seized. It sounds like at the very least you need a new DBA.

A spoon in the pocket of a junkie is a drug device. A spoon in the purse of a toddler's mom is just a spoon.

 

[jaybird]

Jaybird, I also got a letter this week from FDA out of Chicago, they have a order of mine 150 batteries and 40 chargers, sooo batteries and chargers are not safe either as far as Chicago goes.

Thank god the batteries I use In the GLV have nothing to do with e-cig's at all. Sorry to hear that they got you too....sucks.

 

[KatyS]

Katy; Was it addressed to you or to The Smokeless Shop? If the later, anything sent to you could be seized. It sounds like at the very least you need a new DBA.

A spoon in the pocket of a junkie is a drug device. A spoon in the purse of a toddler's mom is just a spoon.

No Kona, It was addressed to my Husband, we never use our Business Name. Sometimes we even have it sent to a neighbor just to mix it up.
It's just hit or miss, but I've been hit 3 times in the last year. Probably had 20 shipments in the last year so it hurt but didn't cripple