i just thought this was interesting...

[xg4bx]

sorry if it's been posted before.

Top Ten Legal Drugs Linked to Violence

1) Varenicline (Chantix) The anti-smoking medication Chantix affects the nicotinic acetylcholine receptor, which helps reduce craving for smoking. Unfortunately, it's 18 times more likely to be linked with violence compared to other drugs — by comparison, that number for Xyban is 3.9 and just 1.9 for nicotine replacement. Because Chantix is slightly superior in terms of quit rates in comparison to other drugs, it shouldn't necessarily be ruled out as an option for those trying to quit, however.


Read more: Top Ten Legal Drugs Linked to Violence – TIME Healthland​

18 times more likely to induce violence than other drugs? nice caveat but i can rule that one out....according to this list, amphetamines (i.e. speed, ....) are less risky!


whats the violence rate amongst e-cig users?

 

[sahara4evr]

This is interesting. Thanks for posting. I know when my mom was on Chantix, she did not get violent but she became scatter-brained. Eventually she was in a small car wreck. When I asked her what happened she said she didn't know what was going on, that she was always distracted. I told her to talk to her doctor about the Chantix and he immediately took her off of it. After she came off of it, she was fine. I think this is a really bad drug, but hey, it's FDA approved so it must be ok...right?

 

[x0xKimmehx0x]

I can't speak for Chantix, but as a former Zyban user ( prescribed as a smoking cessation drug, not an antidepressant ) my personal experience is that it's definitely not for everyone. For me it caused insomnia, the shakes, and a weird spacey feeling, like I was watching my life, not participating in it. The one thing it didn't do was help me quit smoking. Patches, gum, none of it was as effective as picking up my first ecig (with no side effects)..woot!

 

[RevolverRep]

and yet i talk to so many people who would rather go with chantix than try an ecig, fda approval being a factor. just goes to show how powerful the fda really is.

 

[Petrodus]

Maybe... Just maybe, someday we all will wake and realize
the answer to every issue in life is not a another pill.

The government is not our Nanny... They're our Dealer
Bill Maher

 

[Vocalek]

BTW, for those surprised by the fact that nicotine replacement increases violence by 1.9, I give you two words: "nicotine withdrawal." The nicotine replacement products provide a small fraction of the nicotine that most smokers are accustomed to receiving. "Irritability" is one of the DSM-IV symptoms of nicotine withdrawal. Magnify being irritable and what you get can be violence.

I would bet that if they did a head-to-head comparison of NRT products with e-cigarettre use for achieving smoking abstinence that they would see much, much lower levels of withdrawal syptoms in e-cigrette users.

 

[rothenbj]

and yet i talk to so many people who would rather go with chantix than try an ecig, fda approval being a factor. just goes to show how powerful the fda really is.

When you spend some time talking to people (you manage to meet a whole lot of different people when you publicly vape) you'll find quite a number of ex-smokers that have used Chantix and successfully quit with it. Apparently for the vast majority it is "safe and effective" as the FDA likes to proclaim. Unfortunately like anything else, even E cigs, some people will have side effects. Unfortunately, some of Chantix's more extreme side effects are terminal. I personally wouldn't even have tried it had I wanted to quit smoking. I gave up quit attempts years ago after Zyban and hypnosis failed.

I only wanted to try E Cigs to cut back on my smoking due to FSC side effects, coughing and wheezing. They immediately subsided when I switched to Va's non-FSC smokes (before the paper in those changed) and E Cigs. The improvements in breathing was well worth it and this time next month it will be a year without a single puff.

 

[Thulium]

BTW, for those surprised by the fact that nicotine replacement increases violence by 1.9, I give you two words: "nicotine withdrawal." The nicotine replacement products provide a small fraction of the nicotine that most smokers are accustomed to receiving. "Irritability" is one of the DSM-IV symptoms of nicotine withdrawal. Magnify being irritable and what you get can be violence.

I would bet that if they did a head-to-head comparison of NRT products with e-cigarettre use for achieving smoking abstinence that they would see much, much lower levels of withdrawal syptoms in e-cigrette users.

I don't think that would go over as well in the commercials, though... "Quitting smoking sucks. Chantix makes you almost 10 times more likely to have violent thoughts and actions."

 

[RevolverRep]

When you spend some time talking to people (you manage to meet a whole lot of different people when you publicly vape) you'll find quite a number of ex-smokers that have used Chantix and successfully quit with it. Apparently for the vast majority it is "safe and effective" as the FDA likes to proclaim. Unfortunately like anything else, even E cigs, some people will have side effects. Unfortunately, some of Chantix's more extreme side effects are terminal. I personally wouldn't even have tried it had I wanted to quit smoking. I gave up quit attempts years ago after Zyban and hypnosis failed.

I only wanted to try E Cigs to cut back on my smoking due to FSC side effects, coughing and wheezing. They immediately subsided when I switched to Va's non-FSC smokes (before the paper in those changed) and E Cigs. The improvements in breathing was well worth it and this time next month it will be a year without a single puff.

Yea I would never have tried it either. But I am a person who believes mind over matter. I quit smoking about 3 times cold turkey without assistance. Obviously it didn't work permanently to have gone back each time, but I did manage to get through a good number of months without suffering. I refuse to take any kind of medication for something if I don't believe it is going to work my immune system. When I couldn't sleep at night I was prescribed "Sonata", but refused to take it. Same thing, I would never use a patch or chew the gum because the thought of using something just for a substance to get in my body mentally turns me off to it. At least with smoking there was so much more. I never hated doing it, I just had kids who I didn't want to affect with it. Once I got my first 510 back in Summer 2009 I was an instant believer. It worked so good in fact, that I wanted everyone to know about. That is why me and my partners started Revolver. Electronic cigarettes changed our lives.

I also agree there really are side effects. I was vaping 24mg as heavier than I ever smoked, because I wasn't getting choked out so it was easier to use more often. Well one day my heart started playing by its own beat, and the next day it started playing a jazz solo that led me into the ER. Now I only use 0 nic for training others with the occasional 16mg when I go out. Of course this probably won't happen for most people, but anyone with pre-existing heart conditions should probably not use the higher concentrations of nicotine. In the end though I feel that was a better lesson to learn than if I had accidentally committed suicide from taking a pill.

 

[Valsacar]

whats the violence rate amongst e-cig users?

Are you including against mailmen whom misplace juice orders?

 

[electrowoman]

very interesting. i was on chantix TWICE. the first time, i quit for the amount of time i was on the drug. it actually is pretty remarkable how it does work when you're on it. suddenly, you just don't WANT to smoke. but 4 days after i went off the drug, i desperately wanted a smoke, so i smoked a cigarette. by the end of the first week off the drug, i was smoking almost as much as i used to. so i went on it again, but just couldn't stomach the side effects for another round, so i stopped after about 2 more weeks. the side effects i had were nausea (never got better) in the morning right after taking the drug; and unreal violent, bloody dreams (not fun, trippy dreams, but gory, horrible dreams.) those are the NORMAL side effects of the drugs, by the way. they are listed on the insert as "common side effects".

let me just say after two rounds of that wicked pill, I'D RATHER BE VAPING.

 

[Nightseer]

very interesting. i was on chantix TWICE. the first time, i quit for the amount of time i was on the drug. it actually is pretty remarkable how it does work when you're on it. suddenly, you just don't WANT to smoke. but 4 days after i went off the drug, i desperately wanted a smoke, so i smoked a cigarette. by the end of the first week off the drug, i was smoking almost as much as i used to. so i went on it again, but just couldn't stomach the side effects for another round, so i stopped after about 2 more weeks. the side effects i had were nausea (never got better) in the morning right after taking the drug; and unreal violent, bloody dreams (not fun, trippy dreams, but gory, horrible dreams.) those are the NORMAL side effects of the drugs, by the way. they are listed on the insert as "common side effects".

let me just say after two rounds of that wicked pill, I'D RATHER BE VAPING.

Ick. My dreams are quite bloody enough thanks to childhood trauma, thanks.

 

[Randall Fox]

I tried Chantix and had to stop because it wasn't just making me violent, it was SERIOUSLY messing with my mental health. That is some dangerous stuff for a lot of people.

This whole "take-a-pill" mentality that the current 'healthcare' system is embracing is downright disgusting.