I know propylene glycol is generral deems "safe" but. . .

[Dakota]

What say the gurus here about this page:

Propylene Glycol | Effects of propylene glycol | ethylene glycol

That pretty much compares propylene Glycol to that of Ethylene Glycol (which we all know is bad). . .

 

[Zelphie]

Im pretty new here but I would say that its unknown in the way and frequency we us it. PV use cant be compared to pg used is ashma inhalers or any other use, which there are many. We take in much more than in any other way and on a consistant bases. From what Ive seen from researching pg is that there is no knowledge of long term effects or even much knowledge of short term effects other than a couple incidental animal studies.

My personal belief is that it acts on the cns but whether thats a bad thing or a non issue depends on if a person is bothered by it.

Were taking a bit of a leap of faith that its much better than analogs, but not everyone is as skeptical as I.

 

[adrianx]

I know that some people believe that Wikipedia is filled with a bunch of inaccurate articles, but I trust some of their content more than some random "health" website.

Propylene glycol
Safety

Edit: They do mention this:

Exposure to mists may cause eye irritation, as well as upper respiratory tract irritation. Inhalation of the propylene glycol vapors appears to present no significant hazard in ordinary applications. However, limited human experience indicates that inhalation of propylene glycol mists could be irritating to some individuals. Therefore inhalation exposure to mists of these materials should be avoided. Some research has suggested that propylene glycol not be used in applications where inhalation exposure or human eye contact with the spray mists of these materials is likely, such as fogs for theatrical productions or antifreeze solutions for emergency eye wash stations.
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Additionally, some electronic cigarette users who inhale propylene glycol vapor may experience dryness of the throat or shortness of breath . As an alternative, some suppliers will put Vegetable Glycerin in the "e-liquid" for those who are allergic (or have bad reactions) to propylene glycol.

Like Zelphie pointed out, it is a bit of a leap of faith.

 

[Dakota]

It true PVs haven't been around ALL that long, so maybe there really isn't enough information out there to be sure one way or the other... However, given how toxic ethylene glycol is (which presents itself very quickly as a deadly toxin) you would think heavy vapor users would have noticed something by now (1 year, 2 years). I just found it a bit startling that it was listed as being as nasty as ethylene glycol is all. And I know I can't trust everything I read, so the next best bet is finding rebuttals (here seemed like a good place to start )


ETA: This is what bothered me when I read it:

The Material Safety Data Sheet warns users to avoid skin contact with propylene glycol as this strong skin irritant can cause liver abnormalities and kidney damage.

I know ethylene glycol is responsible for kidney failure in its toxicity is relatively lower doses. I'm assuming, however, that just like too much alcohol can kill you, you'd have to inhale a crapton to really see any effects.

 

[Zelphie]

Pg is a skin irritant and I have found it to be listed as a suspected neurotoxin, but I believe that kidkey damage can only happen when blood levels raise far above what we can vape, but I do not know this for sure and Im not positive if any one does, but there is better info skattered thoughout the threads.
As for ethylene glycol, it was only found by the FDA in very small quantities (less than cigs) in a couple mall kiosk type brands (smokingeverywhere and njoy are 2 I think) and china once sold EG as PG abroad so concerns over chinese juice or chinese sourced juice lingers on for some people but there is no evidence that any brand currently contains it, but I do wish there were more consistant and routine testing of juices to make sure. I know totally wicked eliquid does some radom testing, and no EG there. There may be others that get their juice tested.......anyone with info on this would help a lot!
Health Newzealand is doing some testing on safety and use as NRT too.

 

[Zelphie]

I know that some people believe that Wikipedia is filled with a bunch of inaccurate articles, but I trust some of their content more than some random "health" website.

Propylene glycol
Safety

Edit: They do mention this:


Like Zelphie pointed out, it is a bit of a leap of faith.

Ya I get horrible sore throats, super red and swollen...but I kinda make it worse myself because I prefer pg and continue vaping it instead of using vg

 

[UntamedRose]

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I wouldnt trust a word they freaking say about anything "medical"
Always check your sources


As to skin irritant I'd like to point out that PG is used in lotions, sex lubes, makeup, antibacterial hand washthings, shampoo, conditioner, mouthwash, tooth paste......In short if your the average american(or at least female) your rubbing this stuff all over yourself repeatedly everyday.

 

[5cardstud]

I figure it this way. I can smoke which irritates not only my respiratory system but also my cardio vascular system among countless other symptoms, or I can vape which may or may not be bad plus it makes me feel better than smoking. If your worried don't do it.
VG gives me severe headaches.

 

[Dakota]

Darlin...your source SucksMonkeyBeachBalls....

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I wouldnt trust a word they freaking say about anything "medical"
Always check your sources

That's why I posted it here And after THAT bit of info... I can definitely throw the whole webite out.

 

[STB]

Hi guys, we did a bit of research into propylene glycol and the information campaigns surrounding it. We spent quite a bit of time analyzing the issues.

A bottom line excerpt is, quoted from smokeshoptalk.com
Propylene Glycol and electronic cigarettes: FDA approved substance or Chinese conspiracy?



"Is it better to inhale a vaporized propylene glycol + nicotine solution or to continue smoking tobacco cigarettes?

We cannot give medical advice. Nor can we know anything for 100% certainty. However, what we can do is document the risks as the tobacco lobby, the US Congress and medical research has published for us. Moreover, we recommend that you always consult your physician as well as use your personal experience and common sense in assessing the validity of any statement made by anyone, including what you read here in order to make an intelligent, informed decision.

That said, electronic cigarette proponents frame the debate in this way. For those habitual tobacco cigarette smokers who rely on tobacco combustion as their primary nicotine delivery vehicle, electronic cigarettes offers a convenient and useful alternative which lacks the following chemical compounds commonly found in tobacco cigarettes (among many many others) – too long to list here:

Ammonia: Household cleaner
Angelica root extract: Known to cause cancer in animals
Arsenic: Used in rat poisons
Benzene: Used in making dyes, synthetic rubber
Butane: Gas; used in lighter fluid
Carbon monoxide: Poisonous gas
Cadmium: Used in batteries
Cocoa (toxic when burned and inhaled)
Cyanide: Deadly poison
DDT: A banned insecticide
Ethyl Furoate: Causes liver damage in animals
Freon
High Fructose Corn Syrup
Lead: Poisonous in high doses
Formaldehiyde: Used to preserve dead specimens
Methoprene: Insecticide
Megastigmatrienone: Chemical naturally found in grapefruit juice
Maltitol: Sweetener for diabetics
Napthalene: Ingredient in mothballs
Methyl isocyanate: Its accidental release killed 2000 people in Bhopal, India in 1984
Polonium: Cancer-causing radioactive element

Compare this list to electronic cigarettes.

Propylene glycol
Nicotine

You are free to decide which you would prefer…"