Do you know what Propylene Glycol is?

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Majestic

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Its a humectant found in asthma inhalers, mouthwash, certain foods, and also added to commercial tobacco?
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While that seems to be the standard answer for anyone questioning Propylene Glycol, it would be interesting to see a study on the effects of Propylene Glycol when used at a more concentrated and frequent use level like we have with vaping.
 

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That article doesn't really back any of its claims up either. Just kind of seems like minor fear mongering.

There is no safe way to quit smoking other than by just stopping. All that replacement stuff is bad news. Check out a book by Alan Carr, Easyway to stop smoking. Good luck.

Yuk.
 
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"While that seems to be the standard answer for anyone questioning Propylene Glycol, it would be interesting to see a study on the effects of Propylene Glycol when used at a more concentrated and frequent use level like we have with vaping."

I beleive they have done such on animals via inhalation studies (because its used as an inhaler) - ie massive doses, longer exposure. Nothing to report there but some allergies. Not exactly the same as a long term study on humans, but its not unstudied in larger quantities.

Personally, I see VG and PG as a balancing act, health wise they both seem to have there pluses and minuses. Neither seem totally perfect, but also neither seems particularly bad either, and generally pretty safe. Together they seem to somewhat cancel each others issues out. Would be grand if we could just use water though..
 
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I work with Propylene Oxide and Ethylene Oxide, the liquid/gases that Propylene Glycol and Ethylene Glycol are derived from. Small amounts of the gas can supposedly kill you. We have people that have worked around these gases at much higher than the OSHA action levels (think 1ppm and they want a respirator on you) for decades when proper respiration and monitoring systems didn't exist. We have had people get face fulls of the gas in the past.

We have not had one person with any known related health issue, some working there for 4 decades, other than some nausea after a serious exposure(read accident). As mentioned, PG is used in so many things people are unaware of, I personally would be more concerned about ingesting saccharin by far.

Don't let the hype overwhelm you.
 

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In my Opinion your Fear and Concern is justified,
in fact we know nothing/ not much about PG in Vaporising from a clinical View
because a medical Study is very expensive, it would cost ca. 250.000- 500.000USD
to create such a Study, maybe even more!

We need to collect this Money for such a Double Blind Study by and for our self
as well as the Tobacco- Health Industry!

But what i can say for sure is that the Risk is much smaller than with analogue Cigarettes!
 

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This topic has come up a million times in this forum and others. The simple fact is that PG is in many, many products we use today. PG is also in analog cigarettes. There is likely no issue with PG and most people's bodies. There won't likely be an issue long term either. The thing you should think about more is: are flavorings safe. PG is used as a delivery agent in nose sprays, inhalers, nebulizers and other medical applications. PG has been injected intravenously as well. I'm too lazy to go look up links but they're out there. Back in the '40s or '50s they even tested out PG aerosols in hospitals as a way to control airborne bacteria or viruses. It's been studied and it's been determined to be "generally recognized as safe" for ingestion. Artificial flavorings might really be the larger issue with ecigs...
 

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This is exactly the reason that you should be cautious about your juice supplier. I don't especially care about where my batteries, chargers or clearomizers come from but I give a damn about my juice.

Yes...PG is in a lot of products...add all that daily exposure/ingestion up. Some people do have issues with PG...there is a specific forum here. Reading some people reactions made me curious. Since I may be having some issues developing after 10 months of vaping ALL USA made juice at 50/50 blend I have decided to make a change & see if my symptoms go away just to be sure. I am going to give ALL VG, Organic, natural flavored, USA made juice a try.

I think there is a reason to have some concern on the long term effects but it certainly has got to be better then smoking is my hope. Be picky & investigate.

This topic has come up a million times in this forum and others. The simple fact is that PG is in many, many products we use today. PG is also in analog cigarettes. There is likely no issue with PG and most people's bodies. There won't likely be an issue long term either. The thing you should think about more is: are flavorings safe. PG is used as a delivery agent in nose sprays, inhalers, nebulizers and other medical applications. PG has been injected intravenously as well. I'm too lazy to go look up links but they're out there. Back in the '40s or '50s they even tested out PG aerosols in hospitals as a way to control airborne bacteria or viruses. It's been studied and it's been determined to be "generally recognized as safe" for ingestion. Artificial flavorings might really be the larger issue with ecigs...
 

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at the end of the day we were all too happy to smoke tobacco., if we avoided everything that was bad for us, we would never leave our homes. and don't even get me started on the airborne hazards that are found in homes every day since the concept of homes was a reality. common sense applies here. if you don't feel well vaping?, then it's time to stop. and going back to analogs is just ridiculous. especially for long term vapers.seems to me for people with concerns about side effects, it should be a two pronged attack. first eliminate the tobacco addiction. that takes three months to purge from your body. after that time to start lowering nicotine content. once you reach 0 nicotine, you should be able to stop vaping completely, or reduce it considerably. if you return to analogs after this miracle, it stands to reason you were not ready to give them up in the first place. as a lifelong drug user (i was addicted to stuff way worse than cigs), once i made the decision that i was done with a particular addiction. it was only then i was able to exercise the discipline to make the tough choice.
 

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That article is riddled with errors. There are too many to list, but here are a couple:

".....it alters the structure of the skin by allowing chemicals to penetrate deep beneath it while increasing their ability to reach the blood stream."

This is the direct opposite of the operation of PG with regard to compounds in dilution: in fact there is an effect we call 'PG lock-in' whereby it slows down bioavailability. In cigarette manufacture it is known that the higher the PG content, the less nicotine is available; in ecig refills, the more PG is added to a refill, the longer you have to wipe it off the skin after a spill (pure nic spilled on the skin is highly toxic or fatal, but nic with PG spilled onto the skin is blocked from absorption for a time increasing with the PG percentage).

".....propylene glycol ..... has been shown to be linked to cancer.....".

No it hasn't. There are 70 years of safe usage and clinical research data that show it is far safer than the usual 'acceptably safe' level needed for pharmaceuticals.

It is universally licensed for pharmaceutical use, for topical / ingestion / inhalation / intravenous duty. You can breathe it in or inject it without issue. It has been used as the excipient in asthma inhalers for decades; it is the excipient used in the nebulizer treatments given to lung transplant patients. It is the diluent used for immiscible drugs such as diazepam - when a drug does not mix with water, PG is used instead for the injectable medium.

There are few materials with such a long history of research without issue, or safe use, or such a wide usage profile in modern medicine and industrial use. For example it is used to treat the water in large building air-conditioning plant, as it kills waterborne and airborne pathogens, which is why you don't get Legionnaire's Disease. Since the disease pathogens circulate in the building air after dispersal as an aerosol from an untreated aircon plant's water system, you can reliably assume that so do the PG molecules, and therefore that people in large buildings breathe PG. This is why hospitals don't use PG for aerosol air treatment to reduce infection any more, the building air plant already does this.

There are minimal personal tolerance issues for PG: more than than 1 in 100 but less than 1 in 10 have a throat / upper respiratory tract drying-out issue, with ecig or inhaler use, that may recede with use. Any other effect is so unusual that it has not been possible to reliably identify / isolate it as being due to PG (skin dryness issues etc). Glycerine is gradually replacing PG as the most-common inhaler diluent (search: Dow Optim) but as far as we know this is only because of the humectant effect of PG on the throat of some users.

There are hundreds of millions of user-years that say PG is safe. There is no body of clinical research that appears to show otherwise. Individual clinical trials or studies are meaningless until the results are repeated.

The MSDS can be completely ignored as it has no relevance at all except for transport and storage contractors. The LD50 of PG is about the same as water, 50 gallons (you have to drown in it...). PG can be regarded as either inert in the human organism, or as a complex carbohydrate part-excreted and part-metabolysed to lactic acid and excreted - the effect is about the same.
 
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