I need a cheap 18650 mod

[sgenn99]

Not sure you need voltage for a "hit"-just up your nic content. I have been using vv devices since I started (with the twist), and I rarely go past 4 volts. If you want to stay low budget, pick up a twist.

 

[whodat2112]

Not sure you need voltage for a "hit"-just up your nic content. I have been using vv devices since I started (with the twist), and I rarely go past 4 volts. If you want to stay low budget, pick up a twist.

Yeah, I've looked at those also. I like the duration of the 18650 batteries though, I can vape all day on one battery (I am a heavy vaper)

 

[GIMike]

My dad also has a legacy, and was hoping the telescope was going to be similar to it's easy of functionality. He loved it, but he couldn't use his carto tanks on it. When I introduced him to the T3, he fell in love with his legacy all over again. So be forewarned, with the top mounted button, some carto tanks are too big to use it easily.

**edit** ok, my dad was making sound like his legacy had a top mounted button that his j-tank wasn't working with due to it being too large and the button too close. That legacy doesn't appear to have a top button, so I'm confused.

 

[whodat2112]

I use clearos exclusively, mostly vision/stardust/redux type. With the Legacy it seems that I would need a 510/eGo adapter, is that correct?

Thats why I was leaning towards the telescope.

 

[GIMike]

With almost any mod, you would need a 510-ego adapter. They're very cheap though. The VAMO has the ego cone threads, but my T3 didn't fit down inside the top to screw on, so I had to use an adapter. Still looks great, as you can see in my avatar. Don't write off a mod just because it needs an adapter. Sometimes it's worth the extra $2 or $3 to buy the adapter and have a much better mod

 

[whodat2112]

Yeah I use one on my Lavatube.

 

[whodat2112]

I like the Legacy because it looks to be the smallest 18650 for a reasonable price.

 

[Brealistic0]

The legacy is really nice

I like the Legacy because it looks to be the smallest 18650 for a reasonable price.

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[fourthrok]

**edit** I would also stay away from anything made my smoktech. The gripper is junk, and you'll find anybody who owns one who would disagree with that. My Dad has a telescope by them, and he says it's very cheaply made as well.

I totally do not get that remark about Smoktech...and especially the telescope!! I have been using my Smok Telescope almost exclusively for over a month, and the thing is rock solid! Oozes good quality, and performs awesomely! The bottom button is intuitive and built well. It takes just about any rechargeable battery I thrown at it. Is 510 and eGo threaded so no adapters needed. I use cartotanks on it all the time. Everything about it is class and solid. It feels good in the hand, too. Heavy and substantial. Really stunned someone would call it "cheaply made"!!!!

The door on the Vv Gripper I've heard is kinda flimsy, but the device itself apparently works very well.

 

[chemsoldier83]

I just got the bolt and its wicked cheap. Buy it with a bolt extension and an 18650 will fit perfectly.

 

[Tanks]

the Zmax is vari volt AND vari watt. Which means it will allow you to set it, and forget it. You dial in one cartomizer to your liking, and because it is vari-watt, it doesn't matter what type of cartomizer you put on it after that, it doesn't matter what ohm cartomizer you use after that 1 time where you dialed it in, it will remember the power you liked on that first cartomizer, and it will adjust itself to the new cartomizer, no matter what ohm it is. (So, if you get the Zmax, and you have a 3ohm carto, you dial in the voltage for the 3ohm cartomizer, and then your 3ohm cartomizer breaks... But you only have a 2ohm carto left... Well, you can put that 2 ohm carto right onto the Zmax, and without taking drags and dialing the voltage to your preference, it already knows your preference from the previous cartomizer, and it will lower the voltage to meet that sweet spot that it knows you like.

THAT is why variable WATTAGE devices, like the Zmax, are the new MUST HAVES of the mod world. Forget spending $400 to $600 on a US made Darwin. NO MORE do you NEED to shell out hundreds of dollars for vari-volt or var-watt. The LavaTube SHATTERED that for vari-volt, and the Zmax is shattering the vari-watt world! There is nothing variable, that is more convenient than variable wattage, and you can now get the Zmax, a veri-watt device, for under $130. I find that to be spectacular. NO, it is not made in the United States. NO, your not warrantied, and you can't send your Zmax anywhere to be fixed, like you can w/the Provari...

But its $120-$130 dollars, for an EXTREMELY convenient device. Your choice of trade offs. Get the Provari, that is made in the good ol' US of A... Made with EXTREME standards of quality control... Convenience when it breaks.. But a HUGE price tag. In fact, the price of a Provari, (or, a Silver Bullet if you want to go the fixed volt rout) literally antagonizes me. It almost feels like the manufacturers are pissing into the wind knowing full well their customers are standing down wind. (in my humble opinion...) I mean, YES its made in the USA, but have they ever really, truly, lowered their prices for us? Have they ever even attempted to give the less financially fortunate a break? NO. Even when they came out with a new version of the Provari, was there a price change of the original one? Not that I know of. Not a signifigant one. Look at the competition now... Provari has competition and they still aren't releasing competative prices. They have a whole huge army of fan boys and fan girls on all of the forums, with their noses stuck up at anyone trying to feel good about their Lavatube or vmax or zmax or vveGo or ANYthing. "Oh well, the LT wasn't made in the USA so, your buying from foreigners and you don't have peace of mind that if it breaks it'll get fixed" Yeah well, at least the makers of the Lavatube aren't pricing their warez completely outside of a moderate's financial grid? At least the Lavatube doesn't demand the cost of a month's car payment. I can buy a new one if mine breaks.. and still not even be CLOSE to the cost of a Provari. I can buy 3 new ones now, because they are being sold for under $30.00 now. WHY? Because of COMPETITION. Because of the laws of supply, and demand! Provari is 1 of the most demanded and popular of the vari-volt devices... But the market has currently been FLOODED with vari-volt devices... So, why isn't the price going down? Because Provari is the vaping equivalent of the Apple i-phone. NO, the i-phone is not going to have all of the great features of the Samsung Galaxy Tab that is made in the orient, where technologies are on the fringe, its made in the USA. Where the labor isn't cheap. Is the Provari cheap? NO. Would I buy one if I was making 4 figures a month? Yes. Would I buy 1 if I was making 3 figures a month? Probably. But I make 2 figures a month, and I break 3 if I'm lucky. If your on a budget, don't get the Provari. You don't NEED a new shiny I-phone every time they come out with a new flashy (tiny) modification. Hell, the provari isn't even vari-watt yet, and its still priced MUCH higher than the newer mods coming out that ARE vari-watt. Right? Is it made well? YES. Will it probably make you feel good that its made in the USA? YES. Might you feel superior to the people with less expensive mods? MAYBE.

But.... Think about this. Its the #1 statement I read when people are arguing for Provari. IF your Lavatube or your vmax or your zmax breaks... NO ONE, is going to fix it for you. IF YOUR PROVARI BREAKS, WILL PROVARI FIX IT FOR YOU? The Answer:

Provari will fix your Provari for a fee. or, you can BUY a $25.00 warranty... for the price of a Lavatube... They will FIX your Provari... For the PRICE, of a NEW Lavatube... hahahha. I rest my case.

"Provari will fix your Provari for a fee. or, you can BUY a $25.00 warranty..." This is wrong. The ProVari comes with 1 year warranty for free. The option to buy a warranty for $24 is for an EXTENDED warranty (making the original, free 1 year into a 2 year warranty). Also, IF it does break (which is extremely rare) it is very, very cheap for them to fix it and in the rare case that in-house repair in necessary ProVape normally gets you device back to you within 48 hours of them receiving it).

There are hardly any cases (so few that I can't think of any at all at the moment) of a ProVari breaking that wasn't cause by the ignorance/stupidity of its owner.

You make it seem like the ProVari is priced high for no reason. You are paying for an extremely high quality device with extremely high quality customer support along with a lot of little things done to the device to make it better and more user friendly. A ProVari starter kit is $80 more than a Zmax.. That's not a lot at all considering all the extra stuff you get (customer service, $20 hardware updates if a new version comes out, 1 year warranty with the option for 2 years with an extra $24, extremely HIGH (top) quality, etc..). There is a reason the ProVari is widely agreed on as the Gold Standard for all PVs.

I have nothing against the Zmax, I've never tried one. BUT, if it breaks you have to throw it away or tear it apart and attempt to fix it yourself. I personally think $120-$130 is a lot of money for something with no guarentee, no warranty and no customer support.

Yes! I've been looking onto one without magnetic conectors. Problem is, that when I go out on the boat energy is scarce and I need something to vape on for days without recharging. Maybe I'll save some and get a Provari after all.

If you're considering a ProVari, I don't recommend listening to Plumes. He, for some reason, has a vendetta with the ProVari (and/or ProVape company). This isn't the first thread he has been in trying to prove the ProVari isn't worth the money and something else is better. I'm not saying anything negative about the Zmax but it isn't anywhere near the QUALITY of a ProVari. That doesn't mean it's not a good PV. It means the ProVari is a higher quality device and the customer service is top notch. The Zmax has no customer service.) I personally would not spend over $100 on something that, if it breaks, you have to throw it out. I, personally, would buy a BOLT and put a 18500 and a Kick in it way before I would consider a Zmax.

Saving and getting a ProVari would be worth it. I guarentee you would be extremely surprised and you would be very happy you got it. Also, the ProVari is no where near as big as people think. When I got mine in the mail I thought they sent me a mini. The full size ProVari WITH 18650 EXTENSION CAP is only 3/4 of an inch taller than a kGo 1100mah and it is 1/2 inch wider (I just measured both at my desk before I typed this. I bring both to work).

If you don't want a ProVari maybe check out a BOLT w/ 18650 extension. It's not VV but if you use a LR carto/atty it will be equal to a high voltage mod with a HR carto/atty.

(Ex. a 18650 in a BOLT w/ 1.5ohm carto is putting out 9.12 watts. A VV mod with a 3.0 ohm carto @ 5 volts is putting out 8.33 watts. The BOLT with a 1.5 ohm will be pushing more power than a device w/ 3.0 ohm carto @ 5v) Of course you can change the voltage of a vv device and to get performance equal to a BOLT (3.7v) w/ 1.5ohm carto you would need to run a device with a 3.0 ohm carto between 5.2v (9.01 watts) and 5.3v (9.36 watts)

 

[GIMike]

If you're considering a ProVari, I don't recommend listening to Plumes. He, for some reason, has a vendetta with the ProVari (and/or ProVape company). This isn't the first thread he has been in trying to prove the ProVari isn't worth the money and something else is better. I'm not saying anything negative about the Zmax but it isn't anywhere near the QUALITY of a ProVari.

Which is really odd, as in a thread where somebody else was asking about a good cheap VV device, after I mentioned the VAMO (which I think when compared to the Provari in price, we can all agree it's a great entry level addition to VW vaping), he suggested to that person to avoid any chinese made junk and go with american made only. Weird, cause I thought almost everything was made in China with a few minor exceptions, like the Provari.

 

[Tanks]

Which is really odd, as in a thread where somebody else was asking about a good cheap VV device, after I mentioned the VAMO (which I think when compared to the Provari in price, we can all agree it's a great entry level addition to VW vaping), he suggested to that person to avoid any chinese made junk and go with american made only. Weird, cause I thought almost everything was made in China with a few minor exceptions, like the Provari.

I agree. He also likes to scew facts (ex., he said you have to pay to get a warranty for the ProVari when in actuality it comes with a 1 year warranty and top of the line, maybe even the best, customer service in the PV market).

The VAMO would definitely be a terrific way for someone to either get into MODs (specifically VV/VW) or someone like myself who wants to experiment with VW. At that price (I saw one for $24) it's perfect to experiment with. After I get the next few things on my to-buy list (ProVari Mini, BOLT and a kick for the BOLT) I may pick one up to see if I like VW.

I just can't understand spending $130 on something with zero support and questionable quality (the Zmax is somewhat new and it hasn't been tested for long enough for me to be sure of the quality), and no safety precautions other than reverse battery connection protection. When for $60-$80 more you can get what the majority of the community considers the Gold Standard for all PVs to be compared to.

I have nothing against the Zmax but he was insinuating that it is better than the ProVari which I highly disagree with. After having bad experiences with Smoktech dual and single coil cartos I doubt I will ever purchase a Smoktech product again.

 

[GIMike]

After having bad experiences with Smoktech dual and single coil cartos I doubt I will ever purchase a Smoktech product again.

I haven't had any issues with their single coil cartos in my tanks, but I had a HUGE problem with the VV gripper. My battery door barely stays closed due to a bad design, and the 510 connector barely stays inside the box as it keeps popping out. My Dad recently bought a Smoktech telescope mod, as he liked the idea of being able to use multiple types of batteries in something that appeared to be as good functionally as his puresmoker legacy. After having it for just 1 day, he emailed me to let he regretted his decision in buying it. He said the entire thing feels cheaply made, the button doesn't feel like it's going to last very long, and the finish was a bit thin. So yes, while I have had no problems personally with their cartos, I won't buy any more of their products either. I strictly use my Kanger T3 anyway, so I don't have a need for cartos

 

[cyclotron]

I just can't understand spending $130 on something with zero support and questionable quality (the Zmax is somewhat new and it hasn't been tested for long enough for me to be sure of the quality), and no safety precautions other than reverse battery connection protection. When for $60-$80 more you can get what the majority of the community considers the Gold Standard for all PVs to be compared to.

I know I shouldn't because I'll get jumped on but I'd to clarify that the Zmax v2 can easily be had in the 80ish USD range. That makes the leap you mention much larger. At almost 160.00 less the Zmax v2 gives you accurate VV, Beast Mode, and VW. It isn't as polished as the Provari and I certainly won't argue otherwise. The Zmax also has a 6 month warranty at lots of places.

 

[wyojoe]

For a simple and reliable 18650 mod, I think the e-go 18650 mod with the v2 switch is the best bang for your Dollar.

 

[sgenn99]

i've had no problems with my vmax. i love it. it's a well built vv mod, and pretty cheap. the zmax looks crazy advanced to me...not sure i'm ready for variable voltage AND variable power/wattage.

 

[kiwivap]

I have nothing against the Zmax, I've never tried one. BUT, if it breaks you have to throw it away or tear it apart and attempt to fix it yourself. I personally think $120-$130 is a lot of money for something with no guarentee, no warranty and no customer support.

My Zmax has a 6 month warranty. Just for info.
oops... sorry, sonm-one already added that info.

 

[kiwivap]

i've had no problems with my vmax. i love it. it's a well built vv mod, and pretty cheap. the zmax looks crazy advanced to me...not sure i'm ready for variable voltage AND variable power/wattage.

Nope, not crazy at all. I just use VW and its easy. If I wanted to use VV I switch on one menu and its all set for VV.

 

[kiwivap]

I just can't understand spending $130 on something with zero support and questionable quality (the Zmax is somewhat new and it hasn't been tested for long enough for me to be sure of the quality), and no safety precautions other than reverse battery connection protection. When for $60-$80 more you can get what the majority of the community considers the Gold Standard for all PVs to be compared to.

My Zmax has a 6 month warranty. I don't have zero customer support. I'm not comparing to the Provari, but do want to point out that there is a warranty for the Zmax, and customer support.
I've read numerous comments from people who own both. Some prefer the Provari, and some prefer the Zmax.

At the moment neither of those pvs fits the $60 price limit the OP has.