I need more vapor!

[Marshall]

Hey guys and gals!

New here, and let me explain my vaping history.

I started about 2 months ago with GreenSmoke products. I tried all of their flavors (cartomizers), and I found myself craving their menthol carts the most due to the throat hit I got from them. Pretty soon I was going through 2 and 3 of those carts a day, since I only liked the strong hit of fresh carts. That became way too expensive, and I knew I had to leave their product range. I started looking for something stronger and more powerful.

Last week I ended up getting my first order from Altsmoke. I bought an Evo-T, and a silver bullet which is an 18650 mod. I bought regular and low resistance 510 attys for each. I went with some pg/vg mixes and some pure pg flavors from them. I tried two different menthols, nuport and menthol ice, killa vanilla, cappuccino, and blueberry blast.

Since I was so addicted to the Greensmoke menthol, I figured I would love another menthol in my new setups. Boy was I wrong. The flavor is completely gross on both, and chemical like. No, I am not smoking on dry attys. I have figured that part out, so that I know my attys are not dry or flooded. Anyways, the only flavor of all those I find tasteful is the blueberry blast. My problem is, I just cannot get enough throat hit.

When I vape with the Ego, the throat hits are much weaker. I have to slowly fill my mouth up until the button blinks upon the maximum hold down time to get a hit I desire.

When I use the Silver Bullet and 510 atty, direct dripping, I get even stronger throat hit, but its about 50% what I desire or less.

Now, I have always had "tough lungs". I am just saying this to note it is not a problem with the product, I just think I need a different product.

I ordered 6 more juices from Alt smoke, all berry flavors, and then I ordered the complete sampler from Johnson Creek. But what should I be looking at for atomizers to fix my problem? I basically want the maximum hit I can get. I also ordered the dual coil atty pack today, which uses dual 3.2ohm coils. Maybe that is still too much resistance, though.

What about those new triple coil attys, is that basically going to provide the most vapor you can get from a mod?

I know there's more to learn, but I would like to find a good quick fix that will basically give me some of the largest throat hits I can get from my 18650 mod.

If you have a suggestion, I will surely try it.

Thanks

 

[Silverback]

What strength are you vaping? The stronger the nic level, 6mg, 12mg, 18mg,24mg, 36,mg, the better the th will be. Can't really give any advice without knowing the strength of what you have and have ordered.

Sorry mis-read your post

 

[boughtrecords]

I'm right there with ya! I found that I liked to make my own liquid so that I can control what level of menthol I like. I was using menthol drops but found that to be expensive because where most people use a drop or two per ml I was using several times that. Now I get menthol crystals and make my own supercharged menthol drops to add to my flavors. The menthol covers up flavors almost completely but I have found that "chemical" taste when I do not use another flavor. So when I make my juice I use a base flavor and then add the menthol in addition to that. I have found that some flavors give more TH than others. Watermelon for example tastes great but has almost no TH. Cinnamon RedHots which was my favorite for a while has both great flavor and powerful TH. I have actually found that the TH has become too much for me with the recipe that I was making. I have not tested other recipes yet. I did not use my 510 setup very often because of the lack of TH but I got some dual coil atomizers which seem to really help. I have not heard of the 3 coil ones, can you tell me where I can get them? You can PM me if you would like to try some of my liquids.

 

[Mr. P]

There are a few things that give you the TH, nic level, heat and mix (PG/VG). An ego will not give you the heat that you need as it is only like 3.2v.

Use this formula to get your wattage:
volts x volts/ohms

Look for a wattage between 8-9 and then go up if you need more. Most find their sweet spot around 8 watts.

PG will give more of a hit and taste then VG but less vapor.

You just need to experiment and find your sweet spot. Yours sounds like it may be more around 9-10.

Good luck.

 

[keyzygirl]

Try the SB at 6v.You already have it.Its going to give stronger TH.

 

[JWebb]

Try some 1.5 LR's from Ikenvapre or Avidvapor and try more VG in your juice. Or try a variable volt to increase your wattage and voltage and use 2.0 to 2.5 ohm or even 3.5 ohm HV from Ikenvape on the Provari or Darwin mods. Or try a juice fed like the Reo Grand, they all give tons of vapor.

 

[BiffRocko]

The GreenSmoke cartos are incredibly harsh. A LR (1.5 ohm) atty should get you closer to the TH you got from your GreenSmoke.

You might also want to get some IMR 18650 batteries. LiIons will suffer a bit of voltage sag with LR attys. IMRs won't.

 

[Marshall]

Thanks for the replies guys. I can tell this forum will be great when just after a short time there are many replies to my questions.

To return the favor have a link to the 2011 test of 18650 batteries. 18650 battery test 2011

I build lasers and flashlights so I already have a pile of Tenergy and AW 18650s, but as you can see, the Redilast 2900 is really the cream of the crop.

Okay, I use maximum nicotene in every flavor, so usually 24mg. I forgot to mention that I ordered 36mg menthol fluid from Innovapor, but it hasn't shown up yet. Hopefully it will hold me over but I'm not holding my breath based on the other menthols.

Yeah, I knew something was up with the Evo, because TH is so weak. That 3.2v is a shame.

I have the regular single coil LR 510 atty, from Altsmoke, but I'm not sure what impedance those are. To me its not all that different from the standard 510 atty with TH. Hopefully the new duals from them help out. If they are true 3.2ohm parallels, that would get 8.5w.

The triple attys were just in a ten page thread at the top of the general forum. Look there since I'm on a phone typing please.

So one guy says use PG, the other in here says use VG for TH. Whom do I listen to?

It's funny because I have a bunch of 3.7v 16340s, but no 3.0v for a 6v application. Are any attys suited for 7.4v nominal voltage? Hehe

Thanks again

 

[keyzygirl]

PG increases TH VG lowers TH.Try a HV atty at 7.4.

 

[toto1013]

PG for TH and flavor...
VG for vapor....

 

[sisters3]

Marshall said:
"I have to slowly fill my mouth up until the button blinks upon the maximum hold down time to get a hit I desire."


Marshall... try this... don't take the vape into your mouth... take it right into your lungs... a whole world of difference.

 

[Marshall]

Will any standard 510 atty blow in an instant on 7.4v?

I'm going to make an educated guess and say that it will probably not be a good thing to try, but I'm just wondering if there's anything I can do with what I already have in hand, or if I will have to wait for an order of HV attys.

Sisters3,

I have tried it both ways. I sometimes take direct inhales, and don't ask me why, but for some reason I like to feel the entire amount hit at once, instead of slowly over time. I believe it's a crave developed by inhaling cigarettes, which I have replaced with vapor, so I'm looking to fulfill the old habit and the feel of the inhales I used to take.

 

[Marshall]

Another thing. Is thee anyway to mod the EvoT to deliver more vapor? I like the design with the tank because I can use it at work without having to refill out carry something bulky, but the fact that it is weak really makes me wonder what my options are for such a device. If it cannot be modded, are there any designs similar to it in size and capacity, but with a more powerful vapor delivery?

 

[swedishfish]

If you want a juice suggestion, Artic Ice from Vapor Bomb is a good straight up menthol juice. Their juice goes up to 24 but if you ask them they'll do higher I believe. You can order the pg/vg ratio you like. I don't usually vape this alone because I don't want that much menthol but I add it to almost all of my juices that I want to punch up the flavor.

 

[Mr. P]

Another thing. Is thee anyway to mod the EvoT to deliver more vapor? I like the design with the tank because I can use it at work without having to refill out carry something bulky, but the fact that it is weak really makes me wonder what my options are for such a device. If it cannot be modded, are there any designs similar to it in size and capacity, but with a more powerful vapor delivery?

Sorry to say but no, you can't modify it. The voltage is fixed so you will have to go with a mod for more voltage as the higher volts will vaporize the liquid faster and give you more heat or change your mix and add more VG to your juices.

Most people go to the mods because they want a little more control over the TH and flavor and you are limited on the starter kits.

 

[robert shohet]

try a sample of vt vapro menthol or menthol mint both are excellent imo

 

[merlin440]

Throat hit is kind of a personal thing, but there is some science to it.

If you are lacking throat hit there's a few different things you can do, 1 try a low res atty instead of a standard res, 2 change your nic level, 3 balance your juice mixture, most juice mixes are PG with some VG, VG gives you heavier vapor production, PG gives you the throat hit. Myself I'm more of a visual person I need to see the vapor, but most of my friends want better throat hit so they use PG/VG 70%/30% mix.

4th and lastly is the battery voltage, and everyone is different on this subject, and after purchasing an Ali variable volt, I really think it's personal taste, I've played from 3.4 volts, all the way up to 7 volts (regulator was screwed up not suppose to go past 6).

So you have a few options, there are a lot juice manufactures that will let you play with your PG/VG ratio, you can always play with the nic level, and lastly you have some hardware choices. If you have an ecig though that is variable voltage you can compensate for the other two with that, anyway hope this helps.

 

[dormouse]

You could try some plain old Boge 2.0 cartos - the most popular LR cartos. I find I get the best continued performance out of Boge cartos with thin clear juices - 20% or less VG and see-through light color juices that leave no flavoring sediment.

TH is heat and nicotine. You do not need 7.4v to get heat (and it's hard to find cartos and attys suitable for such high voltage - why limit yourself). You can use 450mah+ batteries so you can use LR attys and cartos. Or maybe you would like a variable voltage device like Provari - you use standard resistance or HV attys and cartos on it then carefully crank up the voltage.

If you are using standard resistance 510 attys/cartos on your big batteries, then you are not getting the heat.

 

[Mr. P]

The juice also plays a part in the TH as well. Menthol, mints (Peppermint, spearmint), cinnamon, and peppers will give you more TH as well.

 

[Tumorski]

Personally I find that using an eGo with a LR bridgeless atomizer and some 24mg juice gives me all the TH I can handle. Sometimes to harsh for first thing in the morning!