I need some help Tobacco help!!!! Please!!!

[xLowEndx]

I'm trying the whole soaking your own tobacco in vg and I have one question? How should I strain it? Some people have said coffee filters but I don't know if the vg will drain through the paper and just make a mess.

 

[stevo_tdo]

I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot poll, unless you could test the concentration of nicotine.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

I'm trying the whole soaking your own tobacco in vg and I have one question? How should I strain it? Some people have said coffee filters but I don't know if the vg will drain through the paper and just make a mess.

X--this is one of the most dangerous things you can attempt to do as you have no idea how much of a concentration of nicotine you have in there---remember that nicotine is a poision and in its highest concentrations can kill you---bottom line --do not attempt it.

Sun

 

[Kate51]

Rather than take a chance, could you get ahold of a basic lab filtering beaker, filter would be comparable to the vg viscosity and you better ask somebody more familiar with it for that. If you know someone from a school or hospital lab (chemistry teacher nearby) they'd be able to help right off. The paper probably would become too clogged too fast to do you any good, would definitely be a mess. What was the tobacco, how was it cured, etc...you need as close an estimate as you can get to determine Nicotine content, be CAREFUL, hide the kids if that applies.

 

[geeker]

Can you just let the tobacco settle, and siphon the juice off the top?

 

[Tyler2.0]

well if you thin out the solution with water you can get a paint strainer and go that method.

but like stated above. I would seek profession assistance on this subject

 

[bearscreek]

I know a mix of about 1/3 PG and 2/3 VG (or slightly more) will go through a coffee filter. It's fairly slow, though.

 

[Scubabatdan]

I used a gold metal coffee filter not paper to filter mine
Can get them at walmart in the coffee maker isle cheap.
Dan

 

[xLowEndx]

thanks dan!

I've seen a lot of concern on here and my sample has already been curing for 16 hrs or so and looks promising but should I really be that concerned? I'm a little curious how bad it could be. In the purist thread others have said they can notice a high amount compared to a lower so I could aways cut it right?

 

[Scubabatdan]

thanks dan!

I've seen a lot of concern on here and my sample has already been curing for 16 hrs or so and looks promising but should I really be that concerned? I'm a little curious how bad it could be. In the purist thread others have said they can notice a high amount compared to a lower so I could aways cut it right?

Depends on how much tobbaco product you used.
I did the snus routine and used 15 packets in 1.5 oz of vodka, let it set for 3 days, shaking occasionaly. Then filitered, I found if you use too much of the jucie when vaped taste like an ash tray.
Sooooo I am trying the apple method. I am on day 5 of that. I took an apple and place it in a ziplock bag and pulled the plastic around it from the side of the bag, so it comforms to the shape of the apple. I then added the nic juice I made above and tied it shut with no air inside. The idea is that the apple will absord the nic but not all the ash taste. After a week you take out the apple and wash it. The turn it into pulp and extract the nic enriched juice. As with any of these methods CAUTION is paramount! Always use rubber gloves and long sleeves with eye protection so nothing can splash in the eyes, accidents do happen! Always be cautious and prepared when handling this stuff even in low doses it only takes once to be dead.

If this works I will move up inscale... I already have two 8oz RYO organic American Spirit tobbaco waiting to be proccessed.

With the snus I know how nuch mg there is per packet (8mg) so the max the 1.5oz of vodka can contain is 120mg of nic. The higher you go in mg concentration obviously the higher the risk.

I hope this helps.
Dan

 

[DaMulta]

Well I just looked this up, and it's funny because it's just like cooking ........(You would appear to be cooking dope to the cops/It really is just like this)


How can I EXTRACT NICOTINE from PLANTS OR TOBACCO ? - Yahoo! Answers

You will need litmus paper, acid (such as "muriatic" [hydrochloric] or sulfuric), base (lye is good), and a nonpolar solvent (benzene, toluene, or xylene are all good.)
This is a simple acid/base extraction that is pretty standard for alkaloids (of which nicotine is one.) It will yield pure crystal nicotine HCl. If you use sulfuric acid then you will get nicotine sulfate. Both are salts of nicotine and are pharmacologically similar. The average cigarette contains 1 milligram of nicotine, so keep that in mind when dosing your final product with crystal. Nicotine is a very potent drug! It only takes a few milligrams to make someone sick.
Here it is:

1) Take tobacco and mix it with distilled water. Make the tobacco water acidic to litmus paper (only a few drops of HCl needed.) Pour off the water and save it. Repeat this two or three more times, until the water is not so dark. Combine all of the water extract. Now the acidic (protonated) form of nicotine is in the water. There is also a lot of other crap there, too.

2) Add lye-water dropwise to the acidic tobacco water until the water is alkaline to litmus. Now the acidic form of nicotine has been converted to the "free base" form (deprotonated.) It is now more soluble in a nonpolar solvent than water.

3) Add about a half volume of nonpolar solvent (benzene, toluene, xylene) to the alkaline water and gently mix. If they are mixed vigorously you will get an emulsion, which is a nightmare to separate if you don't have a centrifuge. Anyway, mix gently, such as slowly inverting the mixture in a closed bottle repeatedly. As long as two distinct layers are forming when the bubbles settle down you are in business. Pour off the top layer (the solvent.) Repeat this two more times. Combine the solvent. Now the free base nicotine is in the solvent and is relatively pure. But we need the salt of nicotine, not the free base.

4) Take about 2 volumes of distilled water and make them acidic by dropwise addition of acid. Use this water to extract out the nicotine from the solvent. By mixing the water with the solvent in the same manner described above the nicotine will now dissolve preferentially into the water. Extract out the nicotine with the acidic water 3 times. Combine the water. Now (slowly!) add dropwise lye water until the pH is neutral (7). Evaporate the water. The yellow crystals left behind are pure nicotine HCl. Protect them from light when storing as nicotine is photosensitive. Have fun!

BTW I don't think you should do this, but and unless you wanted to spend BIG BUCKS to get the right equipment; with the right people working along with you that know what they are doing.

NoteURE Nicotine is very dangerous, and this is what you would have. You would need to know how to cut it down, and make sure that every thing that you don't want is also not in your mix.


POWER is knowledge tho, and if you want to know how to do it; I think you should know how to do it. I just don't know if it is wise to do with out the proper training, and with out the proper equipment.


You also want to think about AIR BORN nicotine while you are making it. It could be very deadly to be around the fumes of it. I also would think that it would be HIGH LIKELY AIR BORN DANGEROUS ......


Posted at TW
Nick OTeen

I would strongly advise you don't attempt to isolate pure nicotine from the tobacco, but you can use it to produce a weaker infusion of tobacco flavouring with nicotine that is suitable for vaping. It'll taste horrible if you don't cure it first, so first read this, and cure your leaf. I have to admit that despite several attempts, I have never managed to produce anything palatable from homegrown tobacco.

Then (or if that looks too much like hard work, you can use regular shop-bought RYO tobacco,) you need to grind it up (I mill it down to snuff in a food processor,) and soak it in a solvent. Water will do, but vodka will capture more of the essential leaf oils that give tobacco its flavour. Don't use too much - just a little more than enough to cover it is plenty. Leave it for 48 hours (with occasional shaking,) in a dark place, and then press the water/vodka out of it (wring it in cheesecloth over a bowl is easiest I found by trial and error,) and filter it through a coffee paper to get residual solids particles out.

This juice seems (by subjective effect,) to be about 10-30mg once cut 50:50 with glycerin (depending what tobacco you use.) It doesn't taste very nice though, and is pretty runny at that strength, so I'd advise using it at <10%, mostly for flavour and a small nic boost, rather than as the main ingredient in a juice.

It's messy work, it never tastes as nice as commercial juice, your atomizer may not thank you much, and the nicotine level will be wildly unpredictable, but it's a bit of fun 'mad science', and safe enough I think for kitchen experimentation, since you're never dealing with a very concentrated solution (though obviously follow all the safety precautions laid down for e-juice - keep away from children and pets, do not drink, keep locked up, etc.)

But don't try to extract pure nicotine - that's just a tragic (and headline-grabbing) accident waiting to happen anywhere outside a hazchem lab.

 

[xLowEndx]

Well I finished it. 24 hrs of soaking and the occasional stirring left me with a honey colored batch of almost tasteless juice. The one thing I can say and this is just based on a couple of test carts and dripping is that it feels around any where from 16 - 20mg. I could be way off but after some puffs i had to put it down. I've been used to 9mg for about a week now and it was definitely stronger. I'd like to mix in my new batch with the old for some kick but then my juice will almost be flavorless. Any ideas for quick flavoring?