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yeah, and the cinnamon oil risk most people talk about is mostly misunderstood science. The only relevance flavor "oils" have to vaping is that it *may* be possible for some to separate eventually from juice during storage. But the word oil as it applies to cinnamon oil is not used in the same way as the oil that causes the rare form of pneumonia. Oil in the sense of cinnamon oil is a short way of saying essential oil, which means it was purified from the plant by steam distillation, and it separates from the water, usually floating on top which is why they use the word oil. But many/most essential oils, including cinnamon essential oil, absorb readily into human tissues. Think tea tree oil that hippies put on everything from cuts to zits, it soaks right in. Most of the organics and essences in shampoos, lotions, cosmetics etc are also essential oils, and pose no health problems. Example, i just got some Janty juice from popeye in trade and was surprised to see it listed all the ingredients, not just the base, but actual chemical names for the flavorings, one of which was linalool, which is a common constituent in many essential oils including cinnamon, again no health risk.
The type of oil that is a vaping risk is petroleum oil like mineral oil, kerosene or diesel fuel, called parafin in UK and other countries. Instead of thinking of just oils, think of petroleum oil vs. essential oil, petroleum obviously not sounding like something you want to inhale, essential oil being the basis of perfumes flavorings and scents for eons. It is inhaled petroleum oils that sit in the lungs and can't be absorbed causing pneumonia like symptoms. Essential oils are inhaled whenever you smell apple pie baking, light a candle, shampoo your hair, smell flowers etc. They are called essential because they are the concentrated constituents that we associate with the herb or plant in question. If you can smell something, the molecules are being inhaled, chemically there is no difference between smelling an herb or flower, and vaporizing it's essential oil.
Getting caught up in the oil histeria I've also heard people express fear that "oil" flavorings won't vaporize properly, but they were in fact produced by being relatively volatile and easily vaporized so I don't put much stock in that concern either.
I know that's not a juice recommendation, just thought I'd help put some fears to rest. Of course we all have to decide for ourselves what we want to ingest and in what manner.
The type of oil that is a vaping risk is petroleum oil like mineral oil, kerosene or diesel fuel, called parafin in UK and other countries. Instead of thinking of just oils, think of petroleum oil vs. essential oil, petroleum obviously not sounding like something you want to inhale, essential oil being the basis of perfumes flavorings and scents for eons. It is inhaled petroleum oils that sit in the lungs and can't be absorbed causing pneumonia like symptoms. Essential oils are inhaled whenever you smell apple pie baking, light a candle, shampoo your hair, smell flowers etc. They are called essential because they are the concentrated constituents that we associate with the herb or plant in question. If you can smell something, the molecules are being inhaled, chemically there is no difference between smelling an herb or flower, and vaporizing it's essential oil.
Getting caught up in the oil histeria I've also heard people express fear that "oil" flavorings won't vaporize properly, but they were in fact produced by being relatively volatile and easily vaporized so I don't put much stock in that concern either.
I know that's not a juice recommendation, just thought I'd help put some fears to rest. Of course we all have to decide for ourselves what we want to ingest and in what manner.
Yeah, I kill at trivial pursuit, well at least until I get my green wedge, then it's just a long, sloooow painful reminder that while science can answer most of our questions, it's hard to design an experiment in 30 seconds to determine who hosted a TV show in 1983 which featured a young academy award winner set in a well known big city during some momentous sporting event and, oh yeah, maybe I should read some fiction from time to time as well!
LOL! I am terrible with sports. I used to answer every question, regardless of the sport, with Vida Blue. So some question comes up and I thought I'd give it a real answer this time with like Willie Mays. Of course the real answer was Vida Blue.
Most commercial versions of the spice labeled as "cinnamon" and sold in the USA are not actually cinnamon at all. Hence, the toxic side-effects. It is not the same spice our grandparents bought and consumed. How to identify Real Cinnamon from Cassia
Thanks to the influence of giant corporations, the FDA now allows a cheap alternative called "cassia" to be sold and labeled as "cinnamon" but unfortunately, cassia "cinnamon" contains coumarin--which is potentially toxic. It also thins the blood and can cause liver and kidney damage.
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Gosh, thanks a lot n00b !
My wife is almost addicted to cinnamon, and I didn't know about this.
You look confused? Simple version? Juices using natural essential oils for flavoring are safe. Petroleum oils like mineral oil or parafin are not safe in vaping juices.
N00b, thanks for that on the cassia, I had no idea! Clearly I'm the kinda guy who likes details, and HATE when details are misrepresented to me!
N00b, thanks for that on the cassia, I had no idea! Clearly I'm the kinda guy who likes details, and HATE when details are misrepresented to me!
Sure. I do like cinnamon but after hearing about this I cut down. Plus I really don't like vaping it.
Seems to be a little contradictory -- don't they mean real cinn from ceylon? But thanks for that, I'll definitely keep that in mind next time I need some.
n00b:
I usually avoid giving juice recommendations unless the poster is asking for a particular flavor (i.e. where can I find a good Blueberry?) because tastes are so varied it is difficult to determine what you are looking for. I will, however, say that both my wife and I enjoy Cotton Candy from MadVapes.com. It is sweet with a mild flavor. It is great for in between vaping and for when you want something sweet but are not sure what you want.
I would recommend the following vendors as suppliers of quality juice:
Backwoods Brew - Limited number of sweet juices but excellent sweet tobaccos
MapVapes - Cheap good juices
Want2Vape - Quality juices though limited selection
Kick Bass Vapor - Large selection of sweet juices
Southern Ambrosia - She offers some very high quality sweet juices that are truly unique (Happy Rancher for one)
I hope you find some juices that work for you. Someone mentioned Gourmet Vapors. I have heard good things about them but my experience left me with two juices that were literally unvapable and went down the drain. I hope your experience differs. The juice I ordered were custom and this might be cause. Perhaps, their Gourmet flavors, created by them, do not suffer from this failing.
Good luck and happy vaping!
I usually avoid giving juice recommendations unless the poster is asking for a particular flavor (i.e. where can I find a good Blueberry?) because tastes are so varied it is difficult to determine what you are looking for. I will, however, say that both my wife and I enjoy Cotton Candy from MadVapes.com. It is sweet with a mild flavor. It is great for in between vaping and for when you want something sweet but are not sure what you want.
I would recommend the following vendors as suppliers of quality juice:
Backwoods Brew - Limited number of sweet juices but excellent sweet tobaccos
MapVapes - Cheap good juices
Want2Vape - Quality juices though limited selection
Kick Bass Vapor - Large selection of sweet juices
Southern Ambrosia - She offers some very high quality sweet juices that are truly unique (Happy Rancher for one)
I hope you find some juices that work for you. Someone mentioned Gourmet Vapors. I have heard good things about them but my experience left me with two juices that were literally unvapable and went down the drain. I hope your experience differs. The juice I ordered were custom and this might be cause. Perhaps, their Gourmet flavors, created by them, do not suffer from this failing.
Good luck and happy vaping!
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No, they mean differentiate real cinnamon (not only from ceylon) from Cassia.
Cassia is not real cinnamon, but is being pushed as such.
What are the best type/brand juices for BMF? I bought some Vaperite and it is not going well. It is 50/50 I believe. It is really difficult to refill the carts, leaks all over and then you only get about 3-4 decent hits. Halp!
70/30 seems to be recommended as most vg (per users, not sure there is an official bloog suggestion), although some have either abnormally thin vg juices, or tricks to getting them to work. I think I read that spinning the juice while filling helps pack it in and work better, or for less of an effect, a shake the thermometer approach may work for some people/juices.
If you want to use 50/50 you're having trouble with, and spinning it in doesn't work, you could try thinning with a little PG or 100% pg juice, water, PGA, or even vodka.
If you want to use 50/50 you're having trouble with, and spinning it in doesn't work, you could try thinning with a little PG or 100% pg juice, water, PGA, or even vodka.
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