I Need Some Pro Tips For Tobacco Blends

[Blueser]

I don't have much in the line of tobacco flavorings. I have some RY4D from TPA and their Cowboy and Red. I just ordered Hangsen USA that will be here tomorrow. I thought the Cowboy & regular RY4 I made taste pretty good...my wife says it's too harsh. I bought M-Type from TPA but that stuff is lethal....I got it steeping, it was so dang strong, it a good candidate for the drain at this point

I need some help on ingredients that I need to use when working with tobacco's.

 

[Danoman]

One of the secrets I've found is to grind it up... to almost a dust. (do the same thing for a coffee and Vanilla flavor as well)

In my experimentation, I've noticed that if you add maybe 3% vanilla or caramel (max percentage) it'll 'soften' the harshness out a bit... also, if you go ahead and add a bit of sweetener to is when you make it, it'll blend better... (my personal opinion)

Another way is to add some vodka or if you are wanting to really want to add something nice to it, (depending on how much you are steeping, of course) add a bit of Even Williams or Jack Daniels to it. Not much, just a little bit... because it will help break down the tobacco (or coffee)

But, if you go the route of using alcohol, you NEED to keep heating it and letting it cool naturally with the lid off to evaporate the alcohol. This process take a pretty bit of time to do. But, in the end, it pays off... I promise.

When you are heating the mix... (which needs to be done at least once daily) put your mix in a glass type jar if you can. Keep the heat 'just' below a boil and let it go for about 10 minutes each time you heat it up. The steeping process is up to you of course, but... the longer the better. Let it naturally cool... it will change on a molecular level if you cool it too fast and won't draw the tobacco flavor out the you are looking for.

There are many sweeteners you can use when preparing your mix... personally, I think it's an important part of the 'steeping' process. It's up to you what you prefer to use on the sweetener.

A note on the amounts to start with... (if you have a digital scale) use one part tobacco/coffee and 3% vanilla/caramel and 2% sweetener.

It's my personal recipe that I use. In the end, you get a very smooth, yet robust flavor and because some sweetener has already been added, it's easier to hit that perfect spot...

Listen, it works for me and what I produce... I wish and want you to get the same results.


Oh, and THIS is big... (forgot, sorry)
Make your mix to be a 50/50 blend. (50PG/50VG) this way, it's easy to figure your ratios...

Personally, I have a "gold" standard of coffee and Tobacco that will steep for 6 months... I can't WAIT to try it. But, it's following the same rule I just gave you bud. It takes time for it to blossom and explode into what you want it to be... do it and set is aside and out of reach or thought, Later on... you'll be MORE than glad you did... trust me.

 

[Aheadatime]

Dan I don't think he meant extracting, but you may have just inspired him to start lol.

OP, you'll just have to try multiple flavor vendors and see what you like. Inawera, Hangsen, Vaping Zone, TFA, etc. They all produce different tobaccos at different strengths so you have to be patient and do your research. From what I understand, the RY4D can be mixed anywhere from 5-15%, while the M-Type should be such a small amount that you have to measure in drops (1 drop per 10ml).

I think that's a silly way to work with flavors, so I'd recommend diluting your M-Type with PG and adding it at 1% afterwards.
Say you have 8mls of M-Type concentrate. Just add 8mls of PG to that so it's half strength, and start working with it at 1% from there.

As far the mix being too harsh, that depends on alot of things. Did you have an appropriate voltage set according to your ohms? Was the wick burned out or wrapped correctly? Good air flow on the device? What was the PG/VG ratio? Did you try adding anything to smooth them out (vinegar, EM, creams, VW)?

I've found that harshness for me usually stemmed from the PG/VG ratio and the steep time. But this is after ruling out device/coils etc., as I have a 'control' setup that I used to vape all of my DIY juice.

 

[Danoman]

I agree, Aheadatime... you're right. Exactly right on... but, if he wants it done right, he'll just have to do it on his own. Its ALWAYS better, this I know you already know. He mentioned specifics... meaning he was REALLY not happy with it.

I just want him to succeed... he can try brand after brand but, in the end, it's easier and MUCH cheaper for him to just make his own.

Bluser... trust what I wrote. Do it yourself...

Grind it up... as much as you can. I promise, it makes ALL the difference when you do. ''Ummmm filtering... THAT is another topic we'll need to talk about. No worries, me and everyone will help out...

 

[john333]

Something simple - the hangsen tobacco flavors work very well on their own at around 5%. they are also very easy to add a additional flavor like vanilla. their RY1 seems to be a favorite here along with pipe tobacco. I have several of their flavors that I use all the time while all my other flavors from various other vendors just sit there. one other thing, their T5 and Highway have a nutty note like a 555. hangsen cost a little more but to me well worth the price of admission. good luck

 

[brokepainter]

Hey Danoman what if you just want to extract the tobacco with PG? Do you use the same process with the heat and wait 6 months? Thanks in advance.

 

[Blueser]

Appreciate the advice so far. I'm not quite ready to get into extraction but I copied the advice and put it in my notes for future reference.

At this point I'm looking for suggestions for additives. So if I want my Hangsen USA to be my dominate base what additives do I need to round/smooth everything out...

 

[Aheadatime]

Well sometimes you don't need any additives at all, as some tobaccos taste good at their own at the right % and with a good PG/VG ratio. For Hangsen, I'd recommend starting with 3% at 50/50 PG/VG. Steep for a week, sample them, and adjust from there.

Some common additives to smooth things over include EM (Ethyl Maltol 10% Solution found at TFA), ACV (apple cider vinegar, although some just use plain vinegar), TFA Smooth, MTS Vape Wizard by Flavour Art, TFA Sweetener, and various types of creams (bavarian cream, sweet cream, whipped cream, etc).

Some common flavorings that people use with tobaccos to help them taste more sweet/complex include peanut, almond, vanilla, caramel, butterscotch, chocolate, coffee, hazelnut, pecan, cinnamon roll/danish, graham cracker, cake, honey, molasses, and brown sugar.

Some common fruits people add to tobaccos include cherry, peach, apple, blueberry, watermelon, and coconut.

Edit - You should start by sampling the tobaccos by themselves to figure out what sort of "base" you're working with. Is it a dry tobacco? Either make it drier and more 'western' like by adding almonds, peanuts, etc., or make offset that dryness with something moist, like small amounts of cake batter, vanilla, creams, etc. Is it a sweet base? The possibilities go on and on.

I'd start by just getting an idea in your head of what you generally want. Pipe tobacco taste, cigar taste, non-descript tobacco taste, dessert tobacco, fruity tobacco taste, menthol tobacco, island tobacco, etc.

Be warned though, a realistic cigarette is near impossible because A) the damn things on fire, and B) there are over 5,000 chemicals in there that we can't put into our ejuice. Yes you can get 'close' by using certain bases and certain additives, but imo, it'll never taste exactly like a leaf on fire wrapped in fire safety chemicals and doused in factory additives. I think what people hope to aim for the most is the scent of certain tobaccos not lit on fire. If you can get a vape that tastes just like the smell of fresh, unlit tobacco, than you'll most likely enjoy it.

 

[dannyv45]

I don't have much in the line of tobacco flavorings. I have some RY4D from TPA and their Cowboy and Red. I just ordered Hangsen USA that will be here tomorrow. I thought the Cowboy & regular RY4 I made taste pretty good...my wife says it's too harsh. I bought M-Type from TPA but that stuff is lethal....I got it steeping, it was so dang strong, it a good candidate for the drain at this point

I need some help on ingredients that I need to use when working with tobacco's.

Listen to "Danoman he gave some real solid advice. Other then extraction you can try to find some tobacco absolute or seedmans. That will work nicely if you don't want to get into extraction. Also the hangsen flavors are made with tobacco extracts so that may also be an alternitive for you.