I need throat hit. Zero nic is awfull

[Rothman]

I have been tapering myself off of nicotine for a while and finally made the jump to zero a week or so ago. It sucked. After two days I went back to 6mg. The lack of nicotine as far as the addiction didn't phase me, it was the lack of throat hit. Too many people say that nicotine isn't what causes throat hit. That is exactly the opposite from my experience.

I mixed a batch with all PG and a hefty amount of PGA and there was no discerneable difference other than an alcohol taste. I can vape HUGE clouds of vapor and I don't feel a thing. It's like I took a big breath of air.

I want to go back to zero nicotine but I need the throat hit to make it happen. I have searched high and low and have found nothing that helps. I read one post that suggested putting jalapeno seeds in the liquid. That doesn't sound like a great idea to me.

Any suggestions?

 

[emanguba]

Others have tried adding grain alcohol...

I add QHIT when I need added TH.

 

[throatkick]

Anyone seriously willing to explore the possibility of something much less addictive that has a similar effect as nicotine?
There's gotta be something out there apart from the alcohol type additives without, as Rothman said, turning the PV into a house salad.

 

[Rothman]

Others have tried adding grain alcohol...

I add QHIT when I need added TH.

Does QHIT actually work? What's in it? Is it safe?

 

[emanguba]

Does QHIT actually work? What's in it? Is it safe?

It's made by FlavourArt.

I bought it from ecigexpress.

It works for me...a little bit goes a long way with QHIT.

 

[leannebug]

Pepper seeds might actually work. TH is caused by the harsh burning in the throat. So another alternative would be something that is hot and burns the throat. You could research some other spices and additives.. but it sounds like the penos would be a good safe bet.

 

[aprioristic]

The first thing is it seems like a lot of people needing more TH just need a more powerful vape. It seems like you have been vaping a while OP, so I am guessing you aren't on a 3.2V eGo with 3 ohm atties.

It's made by FlavourArt.

I bought it from ecigexpress.

It works for me...a little bit goes a long way with QHIT.

Can you describe how the throat hit is compared to other ways to get it? One review I read said that it is sort of a delayed sensation. I think the suggested percents seem too high for Qhit, at least from the video I linked in the last thread on the subject the guy was gagging. What percent do you mix it at?

Jalapeno seeds might work but that is just silly. I haven't bought it yet but Totally Wicked has Decadent Vapor's Diablo loco and poco. These are capsacin (red chili) extracts. Since they probably cost the same, the loco is probably more worth it to buy, then you can cut it down (it is many times stronger). There's some concern with vaping capsacin I've seen. It seems to work as an additive and it probably isn't that risky IMO. I know PureVapes offers this as an option in their juice mixes.

The 3rd option is pure grain alcohol (PGA) 5-20% (I think some mix that high with mixes having more VG). I actually don't use any of these 3 because I am fine with step 1, but PGA seems like the best option to me.

 

[slyfox]

The first thing is it seems like a lot of people needing more TH just need a more powerful vape. It seems like you have been vaping a while OP, so I am guessing you aren't on a 3.2V eGo with 3 ohm atties.



Can you describe how the throat hit is compared to other ways to get it? One review I read said that it is sort of a delayed sensation. I think the suggested percents seem too high for Qhit, at least from the video I linked in the last thread on the subject the guy was gagging. What percent do you mix it at?

Jalapeno seeds might work but that is just silly. I haven't bought it yet but Totally Wicked has Decadent Vapor's Diablo loco and poco. These are capsacin (red chili) extracts. Since they probably cost the same, the loco is probably more worth it to buy, then you can cut it down (it is many times stronger). There's some concern with vaping capsacin I've seen. It seems to work as an additive and it probably isn't that risky IMO. I know PureVapes offers this as an option in their juice mixes.

The 3rd option is pure grain alcohol (PGA) 5-20% (I think some mix that high with mixes having more VG). I actually don't use any of these 3 because I am fine with step 1, but PGA seems like the best option to me.

I have the TW loco, I mixed 2/3 pg with 1/3 loco so that I could use it in my juice when I started to go down on nic. It is VERY strong, I keep the orginal bottle in a ziplock baggie. It did help but it is not really the same as a cig th. I don't use it now, but if I go lower then my 9mg I will probably use like one drop of my pre-mix to give me some th. OH, my sister who vapes can NOT use anything that has had the loco in it. It shuts her lungs down

 

[emanguba]

aprioristic, yes, from what I experienced...the sensation is delayed...but for me, only initially...

I don't DIY, so don't have the hardware for exact measurements...I put 1 drop in an eGo tank (capacity 1.2mL).

I bought a 30mL, but seems that you don't need that much to get the TH.

 

[Confed999]

One review I read said that it is sort of a delayed sensation. I think the suggested percents seem too high for Qhit, at least from the video I linked in the last thread on the subject the guy was gagging. What percent do you mix it at?

I haven't noticed any major delay. I take the puff, I feel it in the back of the throat. I would agree that the suggested mixing levels are a bit high. I've been adding Qhit at around 10% and get a nice manageable TH. QHIT does make the liquid "hot" like a hot pepper, but it has no actual flavor. So, for example, apple still tastes like apple to vape, but a drop on the tongue feels like a drop of mildly hot sauce, though the flavor remains apple.

 

[Rothman]

Maybe I'll try that QHIT stuff. Sounds like it's worth a shot.

edit: just took a look at this stuff. 50% of my liquid has to be made of QHIT at $4/6ml?! They can keep it... that's rediculous.

Aprioristic, I think you are the one who was talking about capsacin in another thread I was reading. Have you tried it? I also read lots of concerned posts about using it and was therefore scared away. Not sure I like the idea of having hot pepper extracts in my lungs....

The PGA does not seem to do anything for me besisdes detract from my otherwise delicious flavors and thin the liquid.

Just FYI if anyone else finds this on a search.... I use a 3.7V 18650 mod with 510 or 306 LR attys ranging from 1.2-1.8 ohms so powerfull hits are not the problem. I also use an ego when I go to the bars...

 

[Rothman]

I have the TW loco, I mixed 2/3 pg with 1/3 loco so that I could use it in my juice when I started to go down on nic. It is VERY strong, I keep the orginal bottle in a ziplock baggie. It did help but it is not really the same as a cig th. I don't use it now, but if I go lower then my 9mg I will probably use like one drop of my pre-mix to give me some th. OH, my sister who vapes can NOT use anything that has had the loco in it. It shuts her lungs down

So was the throat hit similar to nicotined e-juice then? It concerns me that your sister had such an adverse reaction to it.

 

[daath]

There is also a product called "Throat Hit Plus" from The Vapor Pro - I haven't tried that or QHIT - Both should work fine though - Perfect for 0 nic...

 

[leannebug]

I have to add to my original post.. just re-read it and the question

when I suggested that "adding the Pepper was a good idea"... I thought you were talking about adding "Pepper drops" just as you would add the qht or any other additive (such as the PGA). No.. crushing up SEEDS and adding them into your juice and atomizer is NOT a good idea. Must reiterate.. adding seeds to juice.. not a good idea.
However.. they do sell peno drops. (I thought we were talking about adding a product that was already approved for use)

My mistake.. and my apologies!

 

[aprioristic]

Maybe I'll try that QHIT stuff. Sounds like it's worth a shot.

edit: just took a look at this stuff. 50% of my liquid has to be made of QHIT at $4/6ml?! They can keep it... that's rediculous.

Aprioristic, I think you are the one who was talking about capsacin in another thread I was reading. Have you tried it? I also read lots of concerned posts about using it and was therefore scared away. Not sure I like the idea of having hot pepper extracts in my lungs....

The PGA does not seem to do anything for me besisdes detract from my otherwise delicious flavors and thin the liquid.

Just FYI if anyone else finds this on a search.... I use a 3.7V 18650 mod with 510 or 306 LR attys ranging from 1.2-1.8 ohms so powerfull hits are not the problem. I also use an ego when I go to the bars...

As others mentioned, confirming my suspicion, the suggested percents for Qhit are too high. The video I saw of the Romanian guy made it look like he was gagging on tear gas or something. Yeah that is still damn expensive though. FA doesn't say what ingredient is in it but maybe someday we will discover a cheaper alternative. I just came across a great huge book (PDF) with all sorts of stuff in it (Fenaroli's Handbook of Flavors) so maybe I can discover some stuff to try..

I think I just prefer smoother vapes but I haven't tried adding any of these things. Eventually I might try all of them, but it just isn't my thing. I am just relaying the info I've read. When we were investigating sour vapes, I came across one study of citric acid having an effect on the chemicals involved in respiration. Someone hinted that capsacin might have a similar effect, so maybe you should avoid it if you have COPD or asthma. I don't think it is a big concern if you are relatively young and healthy though. I think some studies have shown that hot peppers are good for you in other ways.

It seems weird that you say PGA doesn't add TH. What "PGA" are you adding? Everclear would be more than twice as strong as 80 proof vodka. I've added a few drops of TFA champagne flavoring, which contains some amount of alcohol, and experienced a noticeable TH, even with just like 4 drops into 3ml or so.

Your PV could still be the issue too. I went from vaping a 3.5 Ohm IKV 306 atty on 6V batteries to a VV Tekk mod and it somehow hit way different and better even though I was only setting it at 4.5V.

 

[wv2win]

Does QHIT actually work? What's in it? Is it safe?

No, just a myth. TH = warmer vapor which comes from a better battery and nic strength. There have been numerous posts of vapers reducing their nic strength but still getting TH by using a 5 volt or VV PV.

 

[slyfox]

So was the throat hit similar to nicotined e-juice then? It concerns me that your sister had such an adverse reaction to it.

No, the hit is not the same, It does burn but delayed I guess you would say. It upset me also that my sister had that kind of reaction. It scared her pretty bad, she got to asking me if I had used any loco in the attys I would hand to her to try a new flavor. It would tighten up my chest a little too. I really think people should be very careful with it, some could be allergic to it.
I also will have to agree that since I have a SB vv and am using it at 5.9v, with a boge carto, I'm getting the warmth that comes with a real cig and that works for me most of the time. Also the SB with a 510 boge lr carto give nice warmth.

 

[Rothman]

No, just a myth. TH = warmer vapor which comes from a better battery and nic strength. There have been numerous posts of vapers reducing their nic strength but still getting TH by using a 5 volt or VV PV.

I will have to respectfully disagree with you. I use LR atties down to 1.2 ohms on my mod which on a fresh charged battery puts out 4.2v also, I have tried the zero nic juice on my 5v PT connected through a 2 amp usb adapter straight to the wall. The vapor is very warm but still has no throat hit. I can feel the warmth but that's it.

I used everclear for PGA. It does change something aside from flavor but I definitely would not call it TH in any capacity.

 

[wv2win]

I will have to respectfully disagree with you. I use LR atties down to 1.2 ohms on my mod which on a fresh charged battery puts out 4.2v also, I have tried the zero nic juice on my 5v PT connected through a 2 amp usb adapter straight to the wall. The vapor is very warm but still has no throat hit. I can feel the warmth but that's it.

I used everclear for PGA. It does change something aside from flavor but I definitely would not call it TH in any capacity.

Increasing power or reducing resistence is the about the same thing, so that is not in conflict with my post. And I didn't say "no nic" but lower nic. I've never vaped 0 nic but I have a feeling it would be hard to get much, if any TH with 0 nic.

 

[Rothman]

Increasing power or reducing resistence is the about the same thing, so that is not in conflict with my post. And I didn't say "no nic" but lower nic. I've never vaped 0 nic but I have a feeling it would be hard to get much, if any TH with 0 nic.

In that case, it's just a misunderstanding. I even tried vaping 3mg and it's just about the same as zero. 6 Is slightly better but 9 is the full spectrum of what I'm looking for as far as feel and taste (minus nic of course).