I still don't understand carts vs cartomizers

[Matthis1]

Maybe I'm dense, but I still don't understand the difference between the two. I have a big problem with overfilling my carts, or worse yet, thinking that I've filled them properly, only to run out of juice after 2 puffs. Anyway, I'm sick of it. People say so many great things about cartomizers, but not only do I not understand the concept, I don't know if I can use them with my Joye Ego and my Reva 510. I don't know if they would solve my too much/too little /leaking/etc, etc problems.
Can anyone help a noob with so little understanding of this stuff?
thanks,
Robyn

 

[Kate51]

The BIG difference between the two is fussing! Carts is sort of slang for the two or three piece cartridges (atomizer, cartidge and filler, and mouthpiece), cartomisers are usually just one piece ~ the heating coil is vertically inserted in the tube with the filler positioned around the coil. No more fussing, aligning, burnouts and scorches, refilling easy and usually longer-lasting between fills. Going from carts to cartos is like getting an un-expected vacation. I've just recently found one for my 801 (penstyle) PV, and am thrilled with them. Much cheaper and as reliable than most atomizers+cartridges.
Some Cartomizers are better than others, a good idea to shop around for the better quality and larger capacity ones, ECF users usually have their preferences, according to the models they use.

 

[mano932]

Yah the will be much cleaner and convenient especially to the newcomer. But I like to drip. Do you know about the new ego tank system. You buy and ego-t atty and and ego t tank. Put them on you ego battery. There is no filler at all. It just a tank of juice. check em out. ordered today for my ego.

https://www.cignot.com/category_s/67.htm

 

[Raynen]

I prefer carts. Most carts come with a big ol' wad of filler. I just use a 1/4-1/3" piece of filler, and it won't dry up for a while. I can take a 20-30 minute car trip and vape the whole time and it won't dry out. I tried cartos and they hit too soft and didn't have that great of a throat hit, but I could have done something wrong. I, too, was sick of carts and tried cartos, but I was even less satisfied. It's all about preference though Some use the Blue Foam Mod, or Highping's Cart Mod.

Oh, I have a 510. I used Boge cartos and wasn't satisfied. I think I still have one laying around, I might try it again.

 

[ec!gg]

I personally really like the Boge cartomizers because they work great. They also hold much more e-juice than the typical cartridges.

 

[markfm]

Boge 2 ohm 510 cartomizers work fine on the ego or riva 510 (just remove the cone). Convenient, hold a decent amount of liquid, not much to using them. For a cooler vape (I prefer 2 ohm warmth), try something in the 2.5 - 3 ohm range (like Boge 3 ohm).

Cartos with soft tips (the mouthpiece end that you draw on) are generally easier to work with, particularly if you wish to clean/reuse after the initial round of fills and refills. The boge that I've bought are all soft tip.

 

[mdocod]

I've tried both, every time I try to use cartridge based setup on the 510 based system I wind up taking hits of burnt polyfill within a few hits. Even with modifications it simply can not wick fast enough. This may be because I am using 510 equipment on a 3.7V device. The 510 stuff is a little overdriven like this (it's designed to be run ~3.2V). An atty is good if you want the full flavor and hit strength of direct dripping, past that, I highly suggest just using cartos instead.

Cartomizers solve the wicking problem by having substantially higher wicking surface area. They can have fairly dense wadding to prevent the juice from draining out, while simultaneously wicking the juice to the built in atty very quickly as a a result of the better design.

Considering that a cartomizer is about $1.50, and can be refilled and re-used for anywhere from a couple weeks to a couple months worth of vaping (varies depending on many factors), it's very hard to argue with the value. A 5 pack of cartomizers is about the same price as a single atty. If a carto burns out or starts giving you trouble, you don't have to waste time trying to get it working, just throw it away and grab another one.

With your 510 based systems, you will probably get the best performance from 510 based cartomizers. There are adapters to run KR808 and 901 and 801 style cartos on the 510, but the voltage of the 510 systems may not be enough to really get those to perform right.

Eric

 

[oldjoe]

I also prefer cartos. For me, they work better all around and are so much easier to fill. I tried the Joye cartos and found them to be difficult to fill properly, they leak profusely and they taste like plastic. The Bogo 510's are easy to fill, do not leak and give me the vape I'm looking for with a minimum amount of refilling time.

 

[DaveP]

I have some Puresmoker Rev 4 ceramic cartos and they are OK, but I still come back to my Joye type B cylinder Monster atty. It's so close to a LR atty that it just beats everything I have tried in the traditional atty/cart/battery style.

The Monster holds about 2.5ml of juice and fills in half a minute or so. A little BWB juice and the cloud is enormous with good taste to boot. It makes an Ego look just right.

$12 at Electronic Cigarettes, Eliquid by Awesome Vapor

 

[ScottinSoCal]

I tried cartos and they hit too soft and didn't have that great of a throat hit, but I could have done something wrong.

It was probably the wrong carto for your hardware. I used the 2.4 ohm cartos on my eGo and thought they were great. I got some 2.8 ohm cartos and they sucked bad. No vapor, no flavor, it was like sucking on a straw. A 510 or eGo battery puts out 3.2 volts, so you want to stay at the lower end - 1.8-2.4 ohms - of the resistance scale.

Now I'm using a VV mod, so everything works great, but I still have a bunch of different atomizers and cartomizers in different resistance values from when I was trying to find the right match.

 

[Matthis1]

Raynen, let me know if you try that carto again and how you like it.

 

[Filthy-Beast]

I've had an Ego for 3 days now and I'm using the mega Cartomizers, not the easiest to fill but hold a lot juice. There are several you-tube videos on this cartomizer. I plan to switch th the Ego tank when I can verify we are getting version 2 attys.

 

[The_reverend]

I wasn't happy with my ecig till I switched to cartomizers. I work a twelve hour shift in a non smoking facility and I can vape all day on usually one cartomizer although I carry a second ecig and cartomizer for a fall back case I do run dry. They are simple to fill and I don't get those annoying mouthfuls of e juice after filling!

 

[Matthis1]

Thanks everybody for the great advice. I'm off to go look for cartomizers and that 510 tank system. I swear, it's gonna take me forever before I'm done buying goodies.

 

[texastumbleweed]

what is the difference between the Monster atty and the Joye eGo mega cylindrical atty?

I have some Puresmoker Rev 4 ceramic cartos and they are OK, but I still come back to my Joye type B cylinder Monster atty. It's so close to a LR atty that it just beats everything I have tried in the traditional atty/cart/battery style.

The Monster holds about 2.5ml of juice and fills in half a minute or so. A little BWB juice and the cloud is enormous with good taste to boot. It makes an Ego look just right.

$12 at Electronic Cigarettes, Eliquid by Awesome Vapor

 

[Matthis1]

I have some Puresmoker Rev 4 ceramic cartos and they are OK, but I still come back to my Joye type B cylinder Monster atty. It's so close to a LR atty that it just beats everything I have tried in the traditional atty/cart/battery style.

The Monster holds about 2.5ml of juice and fills in half a minute or so. A little BWB juice and the cloud is enormous with good taste to boot. It makes an Ego look just right.

$12 at Electronic Cigarettes, Eliquid by Awesome Vapor

Thanks for the info Dave. I just went and made an order. I may have to call on you after it gets here to ask how to put it all together! LOL! No joke, thanks so much!

 

[bruiser]

If you ordered the mega attys and carts, the cart will hold at least 70 drops of liquid. If you ordered some mega cartos, they will also hold about the same amount of juice, but you need a syringe to fill them. Both, to me, seem to hit about the same.

 

[Raynen]

It was probably the wrong carto for your hardware. I used the 2.4 ohm cartos on my eGo and thought they were great. I got some 2.8 ohm cartos and they sucked bad. No vapor, no flavor, it was like sucking on a straw. A 510 or eGo battery puts out 3.2 volts, so you want to stay at the lower end - 1.8-2.4 ohms - of the resistance scale.

This is where I feel like a newbie again. I have a stock 510 with Boge Soft Cap cartos. How do I know what ohms they are? I really disliked them, and I would get juice in my mouth almost every time I filled it. Where do you purchase different ohms cartos?

Raynen, let me know if you try that carto again and how you like it.

I shall, I shall.

 

[mdocod]

...I have a stock 510 with Boge Soft Cap cartos. How do I know what ohms they are? I really disliked them, and I would get juice in my mouth almost every time I filled it. Where do you purchase different ohms cartos? ...

I have found that the best way to use cartos is with a drip tip slipped into them instead of the standard soft-cap. I also experienced hot liquid jumping up into my mouth when using the regular soft tip. The drip tip adds some extra space between your mouth and the liquid and the heat, which really helps. I rarely ever get any fluid in my mouth this way. The drip tip is also more comfortable on the mouth being plastic rather than metal. Quick and easy to pull out the drip tip and direct drip onto the wadding (try to get the drips to slide down the inside of the tube, scrape drips off of the inner edge for best results). This makes it easy to maintain good wetness within the carto with frequent top offs when you can.

Eric

 

[Hotwire]

Janty XL cartos ROCK.

Tank system better for home use as more flavor and stronger vape but for short journeys the XL carto wins due to compactness (2 piece compared to 3 piece with tanks, also shorter by 1/4 of an inch), no leakage and great draw from the whistle tip.

I use XL cartos at work and tanks at home (plus dripping for emergency cig cravings.)