I still don't know if it's okay to charge my batteries when they're only 50% used...
I think I know why batteries are dying so often.
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Yeah, I've been wondering about this too.
Another random battery question: they recommend you do a full charge of 8-12 hours first time you charge them - my question is should the batteries then start being used straight away? Or can I charge-up new batteries and then just leave them aside till I'm ready to start using them?
Thanks.
I found this thread useful.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/8852-li-ion-batteries-truth.html
I seem to remember also that some kits came with obsolete instructions for battery care.
i leave my batteries on the charger all night... almost every night with no problems , with either the airflow or the microchip batteries. I'm scrounging around trying to find some airflow switch batteries for my 901 and 801 before they disappear as i much prefer these to the new "MICROCHIP" batteries
Guys read the words in the thread.
Yes you can charge your battery if at 50% perfectly ok. Thats what they are designed to do with no ill effect.
Yes you can leave on all night with no ill effect assuming charger and battery are functioning ok
No you do not need to leave for 12 hours, but most do because someone told them too....
Yes you can charge your battery if at 50% perfectly ok. Thats what they are designed to do with no ill effect.
Yes you can leave on all night with no ill effect assuming charger and battery are functioning ok
No you do not need to leave for 12 hours, but most do because someone told them too....
Shh! Your telling everyone our little secret that you don't really have to charge for 8 hours!! Yes you can charge your battery whenever and for how long you want! I have heard that Janty batteries really do need the long first charge, possibly to calibrate the battery so that the chip can get accurate readings of how many electrifying volts are left in the battery!
I have a couple of related questions to do with the number of charges a battery is good for. I already knew that charging from a partially discharged state is fine, but does it count as a full charge as far as the battery lifetime is concerned?
For example, with a battery which is normally good for 300 charge/discharge cycles if I regularly charge it from 50% will I be able to do that 300 times or 600?
How about partial charges, when I want to get some juice in the thing but don't have time to wait for the light to turn green?
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Half a charge counts as half a cycle! By not discharging your batteries you are extending their life! Same thing if you don't charge them fully which is good news! These e-cig batteries are under a lot of strain, they get charged sometimes multiple times daily and are donkeys trying to do a horses job! Way to small for what they are doing so expect less uselful cycles out of the e-cig batteries!
That's what I'd hoped, thanks. My question was prompted by wondering is there's something special going on at the end of the charge cycle which produces most of the wear and tear. I know that there's a bit more to the charging process than simply pouring electrons into the cell
To be honest that bit I am unsure about.
It is all about the electrons moving back and forward with charges.
These batteries do have a life that degrades over time compared to other rechargeables.
The plus they have is they deliver much more power and charge quicker, which is why they are used in ECigs.
I would love to test the theory and my guess is that it doesn't actually matter as the lifetime is the same as to whether you charge 600 x 50 or 300 x 100 = same amount of atoms moving so = no difference in battery.
Ok, I'll consider it an open question. It's probably something awkward like the first and last 10% of the charging process using up 50% of the lifespan.
The whole point of Li Ions and Lipo's is that constant charging is NOT SUPPOSE to affect the lifespan of the battery.... IE NO MEMORY.......
The charging process is like about 90% in 1st 50% of time, 10% in remaining 50% of time.
Ie if you are willing to wait the full time you get a full battery, but if the battery is charged constantly then you still get the benefits, just not a full charge cause you were too lazy to wait. (Think of mobile phones)
Why do you think they are used in mobile phones that everyone plugs in every night ? We never let out mobile go completely flat do we ??????, no we plug in every night..
Of course these have MUCH MUCH better elctronics in them to have "proper" shut offs and spare internal power incase of emergency. And of course they cost $100's
Just mobile phone batteries are quality controlled and of course cost a lot more than ecig ones
thoughts there
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Yeah, it's like they work perfectly until they give up completely. I'm trying to imagine what finally causes them to quit and if there's a way to postpone it. Something in there is wearing out, but what and why?
I'm not going to worry about it - batteries are cheap enough that I don't need to - but I do find it interesting to speculate.
Edit: To be a bit clearer, I'm referring to the number of charges not the run-time you get from a single charge.
Re-read the very 1st post.
Normal quality Li-Ions don't wear out, but our cheapo ones with cheapo microprocessors do is my theory = QED
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Every Battery I have taken apart and retired due to malfunction (21 of them) was due to switch failure. For the most part the wheel in the switch housing either frooze on or off. Upon testing--everyone of the 21 batteries "failed" all had a good strong charge---so it is not wise to blame it on the battery cell, rather chalk it up the accesories that the batteries employ that fail------Sun
cheers dude, what I spose i was saying with the new ones. The circuity in the new ones not the switch housing... But in this case discharging the Li-Ion past it danger point.
I have watched it happen on the desk in front of me.
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