i want to vape on a RBA but i don't want to assemble it!

[Baditude]

i guess one of my biggest question is, what makes rba's better than say an evod or a protank?
is it mainly because of the lower ohms, hence stronger vape?
that makes me wonder why evod/protanks/vivis don't ever come with something low as <1ohms

Very few delivery devices come close to an optimal functioning RBA in my experience, and I don't use ULR (sub 1 ohm) coils. I build only 2 ohm coils and use them on regulated electronic APV's. When the entire device is functioning optimally the vape is extremely smooth with great flavor and vapor production. I sometimes am not aware of just how much vapor that I'm taking in that I'm shocked at the amount when I exhale, it's that smooth.

I had never been to a hooka bar before Father's Day, when my daughter, her boyfriend, and my son treated me to one. The experience surprised me in the similarities of the two.

The problem arises in that minute things can occur to the coil to change the resistance and the entire vaping experience, and if dealing with ULR coils this can lead to dangerous situations. I've been an "advanced vapor" for almost a year, and gained quite a specialty with cartotanks. I only took up RBA's in the last couple of months, because I had read up on them and respected their complexity. I'm just now gaining some confidence in their use, but knowing what I know about them I still treat them with respect in regards to their safety issues. RBA's push the batteries that we use to their limits, and they were not specifically designed to do what we sometimes ask of them. If you don't know what you are doing, you are putting yourself and others in potential danger.

The people who use ULR coils do so in mechanical mods, which have few if any safety features built in them. In fact, the reason they use mech mods is because they can bypass the safety features that regulated electrical mods have. Now, when you think about that, how wise is that? The couple of safety feature that mech mods have, a hot spring and vent holes, are only useful AFTER a battery decides to hard short and go into thermal runaway. Severe burns or fire damage to physical property can ensue. Has no one seen the pictures of the Smoktech Groove's that have hard-shorted and have been recalled?

PBusardo recently did a rant about users of ULR RBA vaping and voiced his concern, and quote, "Sometimes just because you can, doesn't mean you should." Anyone who uses ULR, or is considering it, should listen. It's at the 3:00 - 6:00 minute mark of this video: A PBusardo Rant & Review - The NZonic V3 - YouTube

 

[SissySpike]

My theory goes like this.

Why do advanced PVs not even fire on a sub ohm atty? Because it is inherently not safe and even less safe in the hands of someone who does not know exactly what they are doing.

I can agree pushing limits should not be the first thing you do when you get a RBA. The rest of your statement is debatable. Regulated Mods have protection for you and they need that protection because the circuit boards and switches wont handle the amps of sub ohm coils.
MNKE has a 20amp, and Sony has a 30 AMP battery out If your .5 Ohm coil is not exceeding the amp limit of the battery its no different than vaping a 1.5 OHM coil on a AW.
So as always the key is education and know what your doing. Yes sub OHM coils are kind of like the hot rods of the vaping world but there is no reason anyone cant play around with them if they take the time to lean how to do it safely.

 

[SissySpike]

PBusardo recently did a rant about users of ULR RBA vaping and voiced his concern, and quote, "Sometimes just because you can, doesn't mean you should." Anyone who uses ULR, or is considering it, should listen. It's at the 3:00 - 6:00 minute mark of this video: A PBusardo Rant & Review - The NZonic V3 - YouTube

MY rant about PBusardo's rant is he is operating from fear if we let those against us control us with fear they do not need to legislate us. They have all ready one. In stead of ranting telling people they should not do something educate them so they can do it safely. Or at least make it very very clear of the risks involved.

 

[Baditude]

I can agree pushing limits should not be the first thing you do when you get a RBA. The rest of your statement is debatable. Regulated Mods have protection for you and they need that protection because the circuit boards and switches wont handle the amps of sub ohm coils.
MNKE has a 20amp, and Sony has a 30 AMP battery out If your .5 Ohm coil is not exceeding the amp limit of the battery its no different than vaping a 1.5 OHM coil on a AW.
So as always the key is education and know what your doing. Yes sub OHM coils are kind of like the hot rods of the vaping world but there is no reason anyone cant play around with them if they take the time to lean how to do it safely.

My point is people ARE playing around with improper batteries not designed to handle the amps with ULR vaping and not not knowing how to do it safely or even why. If I need to point you to the particular thread of this happening just this week, I will, but I'm sure you saw it. A new vapor with a new RBA and new mod. The RBA was set up with ULR coils by the vape shop. The customer collapsed two hot springs in a row and didn't have a clue what happened. Didn't own a multimeter and didn't know why he should have one.

PBusardo did mention his disdain for ultra low resistance because of what they can do to batteries. I agree that he should have been more specific about safety issues, as what he said was quite vague.

 

[Glen Snyder]

Here's the rub from a slightly different perspective when it comes to safety. I can see the news report now of the guy who has his mech mod with sub ohm coil explode in his face. Probably show a shot of someone puffing on a Blu or maybe an eGo type PV while they relive the 'horror' of the incident as graphically as possible. You show something like that to the unaware public and that's what they'll remember, that e-cigs are dangerous because they explode and the juice is made from antifreeze.

 

[Baditude]

Here's the rub from a slightly different perspective when it comes to safety. I can see the news report now of the guy who has his mech mod with sub ohm coil explode in his face. Probably show a shot of someone puffing on a Blu or maybe an eGo type PV while they relive the 'horror' of the incident as graphically as possible. You show something like that to the unaware public and that's what they'll remember, that e-cigs are dangerous because they explode and the juice is made from antifreeze.

And PBusardo's point about the ultra ohm resistance vaping played into this as well. His perspective was such an incident would just feed more amo to the regulating powers that be to make more strict regulations because this type of incident would be proof that vapors aren't wise enough to look out for their own safety.

 

[peraspera]

Try dripping with an HH.357. Expensive but Hanna will refurbish as many as you send in for something like $5. If you like it and want the convenience of a tank put an HH.357 in an AMP Tank. There's no difference in the quality of the vape compared to manual dripping. I greatly prefer my AMP Tanks to my rebuildables.

 

[arrowroot]

I think I saw on Avid Vapor the other day they sell premade coils, basically $5 for a 5 pack.

 

[Tanks]

i'd like to vape on the best possible so obviously i've been thinking of getting an RBA.
but the problem is, i just don't have the time to do these things.
is there no way anyone can just sell pre-built RBAs?
even as a disposable, i wouldn't mind, i'd just buy a new one every 2 weeks.

That makes no sense... If it was pre-built and disposable it would not be a RBA (ReBuildable Atomizer).

 

[CommaHolly]

Do you know the OP personally? And an Evod is a far cry from an RBA. Two different animals.

I thought an EVOD was rebuildable????

I know nothing about RBAs though, so if someone could explain the difference, it would be wonderful, thank you

 

[Butters78]

I thought an EVOD was rebuildable????

I know nothing about RBAs though, so if someone could explain the difference, it would be wonderful, thank you

It was never meant to be by the manufacturer but it is. I just rebuilt all of mine yesterday.

 

[Turbo]

Hello I'm Josh, a representative with Smoke For Pennys.com A lot of people, including myself, run in to this problem. For a while I fiddled with a few RBAs, but I'm the type of person who likes fresh vapor all the time. In other words, I found myself rebuilding those things once a day. I actually did the math, and on an average week I'd spend about two to three hours rebuilding attys. I decided it was time to find a new product and I have finally found the perfect product. I liked it so much that now, our company sells it. It is called the Pyrex ViVi Nova. These things are indestructible, and the vapor production is fantastic! But here's the best part; all you have to do to rebuild these things is unscrew the top, switch out the atty head, and screw the cap back on! It takes a total of about fifteen seconds, and the replacement heads are only $2.29. For your situation, there is no other RBA that's better. Check them out at Smoke For Penny's, LLC Store - Search Results for "pyrex vivi nova"

If you have ANY other questions about this product or anything to do with vaping just give us a call! Our number is at the top of our web site, and we are happy to help you with anything. We're a company that loves what we do, and love the products we sell so I think you'll find it very enjoyable to work with us.

Not trying to rain on your ad, because I think those kind of tanks are a good stepping stone into RBA's or for folks that don't want to/can't rebuild, but my last Genisis coil lasted about 6 months and actually was still good. It was cutting into my wick so I replaced it. Coils can last a while depending on juice. Some juice will gunk them up quickly but there are ways to clean them.

 

[murphyramone]

I may have missed something but what are you trying to achieve ? Do you want something that makes more vapor, are you looking for better flavor, ect..? That may be a better question to ask. If you do not want to assemble a RBA then i dont think you will want to do the light maintence on them either.

 

[SissySpike]

My point is people ARE playing around with improper batteries not designed to handle the amps with ULR vaping and not not knowing how to do it safely or even why. If I need to point you to the particular thread of this happening just this week, I will, but I'm sure you saw it. A new vapor with a new RBA and new mod. The RBA was set up with ULR coils by the vape shop. The customer collapsed two hot springs in a row and didn't have a clue what happened. Didn't own a multimeter and didn't know why he should have one.
PBusardo did mention his disdain for ultra low resistance because of what they can do to batteries. I agree that he should have been more specific about safety issues, as what he said was quite vague.

Thats why we need education. The knuckle head at the shop down to the new vapor. My grip about all of this is PBusardo going on about we should not enjoy big clouds of tasty vapor. I say who made him the vapor police. He has the most viewers of any body on youtube he should be helping people to do things in a safe manner not ranting. We need to keep those at bay who would limit us they are the problem not the guy trying to tweak his mod for the optimal performance.
I think Im going to have to pull my Youtube channel out of retirement.
You would hope someone at a shop would know better but from what Ive seen lots of people at shops dont have a clue. Some of us live sleep and breathe Vapor;-) Its a passion for what ever reason. You are a prime example BA I bet youve educated tons of people.
I think we just need to focus a little more on getting the info out there rather than tell people they should not do something. Telling people to not do wont work. If we ignore it it will bit us in the dairy air fore sure.

 

[Baditude]

Thats why we need education. The knuckle head at the shop down to the new vapor. My grip about all of this is PBusardo going on about we should not enjoy big clouds of tasty vapor. I say who made him the vapor police. He has the most viewers of any body on youtube he should be helping people to do things in a safe manner not ranting. We need to keep those at bay who would limit us they are the problem not the guy trying to tweak his mod for the optimal performance.
I think Im going to have to pull my Youtube channel out of retirement.
You would hope someone at a shop would know better but from what Ive seen lots of people at shops dont have a clue. Some of us live sleep and breathe Vapor;-) Its a passion for what ever reason. You are a prime example BAD I bet youve educated tons of people.
I think we just need to focus a little more on getting the info out there rather than tell people they should not do something. Telling people to not do wont work. If we ignore it it will bit us in the dairy air fore sure.

I agree to disagree with you, and lean more towards Phil's perspective. At what point is it going to be "enough vapor" at the expense of safety? I read about new vapors watching the Philipino kid who is literally a fog maching and wanting to emulate him. I worry that they will purchase something and not bother learning how to use it safely, only having tunnel vision for that fog machine effect.

Ok, I've decided to take your advice and become proactive about education. I don't know enough myself to qualify for doing a tutorial on RBA's, but I have collected some thoughts and added some useful links to get people started in the right direction. I've added another article to my blog. Please feel free to comment or suggest other useful information or links that I can edit and include.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ing-try-their-first-rebuildable-atomizer.html

 

[Unforeseen]

Moved to Assorted PV Topics - Rebuildable Atomizer Systems

 

[st0nedpenguin]

My theory goes like this.

Why do advanced PVs not even fire on a sub ohm atty? Because it is inherently not safe and even less safe in the hands of someone who does not know exactly what they are doing.

It has nothing to do with safety, amp limits are the reason most electronic devices won't fire sub ohm coils.

 

[UncleChuck]

My theory goes like this.

Why do advanced PVs not even fire on a sub ohm atty? Because it is inherently not safe and even less safe in the hands of someone who does not know exactly what they are doing.

SLR gets a bad reputation from many people due to the perceived dangers involved. SLR builds can often pull over 7amps, others even more. Most APVs out there only work up to about 4-5amps depending, so it’s easy to see why some are worried about us pushing the limits too far with SLR builds. But a bit of knowledge can ease those fears, and putting that knowledge into practice can actually ease the risk itself.

A battery is a device that has a high concentration of energy. It doesn’t matter if it’s a tiny watch battery, or a 26650 battery. NONE of them are completely and totally safe. Safety must be kept in mind at all times when dealing with batteries, whether you are a SLR builder or someone that only uses cartos.

The key to a safe (as safe as anything else, at least) SLR vape is pretty simple: match your supply to your demand. The demand being how much amperage the coil will pull, the supply being the rated current handling capability of the battery.

A .6ohm coil on a freshly charged battery will pull around 6-7 amps. You simply need to use a battery that’s continuous current rating is over 7 amps. An AW IMR 18650 is rated for 10amps, and will have no problems pushing that .6ohm coil. If you throw a battery that’s rated for 5 amps in there, then you could have some serious issues.

It’s really that simple. The dangers of SLR are all related to pulling more current than your battery can handle. You shouldn’t put a 120watt light bulb in a 60watt light fixture, but that doesn’t mean high-output lighting is unsafe. It simply means you can’t use the same equipment you would for normal lighting. SLR vaping is no different. It’s not dangerous; it’s simply not compatible with some of the gear used for “normal” vaping.

Most manufactures don't produce PVs that will fire sub-ohm coils because most people that use APVs use carto-tanks, clearos, etc. Being able to fire a .6ohm coil does nothing for those people. Beefing up the guts of the device to handle that type of current is likely going to make the device larger and more expensive.

Sub-ohm vaping wasn't nearly as popular (if around at all) back when all these cheap VV/VW devices started coming out, so that's another reason. The guts in all these devices are pretty much the same exact thing, so even with a brand new tube you are still vaping on stuff from over a year ago. There is really nothing stopping a manufacturer from making an APV that can fire a .4ohm coil at 6volts, besides economics and supply and demand. Frankly I'd be happy with something that was regulated to a solid 4v and could handle 10amps.