So im curious about this. why do vendors say that you should steep your juice for the best flavor but then advertise that they custom fill your order for the freshest product? wouldn't it be faster to premix the best selling juices in the top nic strengths? it would seem to me that it would be less time consuming and result in a better quality more consistent product that has a more uniform taste.
if you have to steep your juice for the best flavor than why don't vendors premix in larger batches?
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A lot of vendors mix it to your customization. Pg Vg ratio nic strength, extra flavor ect...I do have one vendor that I use that pre mix their batches but you can only get 70/30 ratio and no flavor shots but it is ready to go when it gets here.
This is the right answer. It seems like some of the best places are the ones that deliver juices made to order, and they require steeping in many cases. From what I've read in this forum some people are actually mad they have to steep, which I don't understand. There are plenty of ejuice providers who send you 100% PG pre-made juice that is off the shelf, people can just order that while they wait for their others to steep.
A lot of us just buy flavors in bulk and premise flavor compounds.....for instance a Bllueberry waffle would be 10% waffle and 5% blueberry which we would mix the flavorings in large batches. When you order that flavor we add the" mix" to your desired strength and then add" shots" if needed per request. That way your flavor is already aged when it gets to you a few days later. Sometimes with tobacco Vapes I will do compounds of flavors and nicotine in various strengths and let steep...only adding the vg and pg to the desired ratios when ordering. That way your flavors blend with the nicotine and produce a more complex vape when it arrives. The transit mixes the non flavor compounds and requires less overall steeping since the flavor is already robust before your order is placed
i can understand that when a vendor offers a wide range of nicotine and pg/vg blends then there's only so much premade you can do. however if they only do 50/50 in 12 or 24mg and no extra flavor shots than wouldnt it be easier and faster to have some of each already mixed and steeped?
for example a company gets 1000 orders a month for their super manly red cowboy scarf in a 24mg 50/50 mix in a 30ml bottle. instead of waiting for a customer to order said red cowboy scarf and then mix each bottle then wouldn't it be faster to have em ready to go? do people really complain if their not made to order?
for example a company gets 1000 orders a month for their super manly red cowboy scarf in a 24mg 50/50 mix in a 30ml bottle. instead of waiting for a customer to order said red cowboy scarf and then mix each bottle then wouldn't it be faster to have em ready to go? do people really complain if their not made to order?
I can't speak for everyone, just myself. For me, I much prefer having every single option at my disposal than being pigeon-holed into buying premixed juices. I walk into GoodeJuice and order my juice the way I like it and in 5 minutes it is ready. Yes, it usually needs to steep for anywhere from 3 days to up to 8 weeks - but trust me when I say the wait is well worth it. Juices like Patriot and Vita Bella go through some amazing transformations while they steep, and while they are vapeable after only a few days they really don't hit their peak in flavor and smoothness until at the 4 week (or longer) mark. I'm more than happy to give them the time.
Bear in mind too that, steeping is different for each person. Some might find that my above steeping time is too long, others too short. And some will agree with it spot-on. The key is to vape a bit of it when you first get it and if it is funky or off-putting, then give it a few days to steep. Then, try it again. Keep doing this until it is to your liking and enjoy. Once you get a good supply of juices on hand that are all in process (some ready to go, some in mid-steep, some just starting out) you won't really mind the whole steeping thing.
Bear in mind too that, steeping is different for each person. Some might find that my above steeping time is too long, others too short. And some will agree with it spot-on. The key is to vape a bit of it when you first get it and if it is funky or off-putting, then give it a few days to steep. Then, try it again. Keep doing this until it is to your liking and enjoy. Once you get a good supply of juices on hand that are all in process (some ready to go, some in mid-steep, some just starting out) you won't really mind the whole steeping thing.
Hey there are a lot of companies that mass produce and there juice is presteeped
I love halo they are also $20 for 30 ml and I cant adjust anything
I also appreciate a vender like HHV where I have choices and they are hands on and the price is more reasonable
for a good complex juice at a decent price
I am more then willing to wait the steep
and if I weren't I would go somewhere else and not complain about it
I love halo they are also $20 for 30 ml and I cant adjust anything
I also appreciate a vender like HHV where I have choices and they are hands on and the price is more reasonable
for a good complex juice at a decent price
I am more then willing to wait the steep
and if I weren't I would go somewhere else and not complain about it
not complaining vj, just curious. i'm well aware of the fact that i can take my business wherever i chose. i just wondered why they would mix it fresh if it gets better with age. i wouldn't want to buy a cask of single malt scotch and wait 12 years to drink it, id rather buy a bottle already aged. i'm a noob to the whole ecig thing so i may ask a lot of dumb questions.
In the venders defense....bit hard to offer ALL the variations. say 100% PV all the way to 100% VG plus all the the vartions between in MG. might be do able if you had say 10 ejuices but more o0
Plus personally I disagree with all this steeping silliness. Sure give it a Few days from when its first mixed say 4........like the amount of time it take to mail it. But a juice you hate or dislike will Never become OMG I loves it...just cause you let it sit for a week... month...shake it upside down under a full moon.
Plus personally I disagree with all this steeping silliness. Sure give it a Few days from when its first mixed say 4........like the amount of time it take to mail it. But a juice you hate or dislike will Never become OMG I loves it...just cause you let it sit for a week... month...shake it upside down under a full moon.
When my husband and I started vaping, we both envisioned three to four 50ml juice bottles on our shelf from which we would vape. Wrong! At present, we have 100ml of vapable juice and 250ml of juice which is steeping. Some of it has been steeping for twelve weeks (not including the two weeks in transit to get here). We are constantly adding replacements of our favourite flavours to the back of the queue so that after the minimum of eight weeks we can start vaping it.
We are very lucky that we can maintain such a system, but for some, I imagine having to watch your vapeable juice levels declining while a big pile of unvapeable juice sits there steeping can be more than frustrating; especially if the vapeable juice runs out and you are stuck with half-steeped juice. Tobacco flavours take an age to steep (100% PG or not) with some taking three months to get really rich and full. Berry flavours take about two months. Certain types of porous plastic, clear glass bottles and a very warm room seem to accelerate the process in most cases but there is no getting around the problem that much of the juice sold in the US is too fresh to vape.
I bought Liqua juice for the first time recently and was elated- a juice that requires no steeping! Maybe I can cut my vape budget down after all.
We are very lucky that we can maintain such a system, but for some, I imagine having to watch your vapeable juice levels declining while a big pile of unvapeable juice sits there steeping can be more than frustrating; especially if the vapeable juice runs out and you are stuck with half-steeped juice. Tobacco flavours take an age to steep (100% PG or not) with some taking three months to get really rich and full. Berry flavours take about two months. Certain types of porous plastic, clear glass bottles and a very warm room seem to accelerate the process in most cases but there is no getting around the problem that much of the juice sold in the US is too fresh to vape.
I bought Liqua juice for the first time recently and was elated- a juice that requires no steeping! Maybe I can cut my vape budget down after all.
Im sorry If I came across harsh
The answer is it is not cost effective Higher overhead
bigger companies can do it but you pay for it if its quality
There are a few that do produce in bulk, and sell pre-steeped juice. But they may have to compromise in variety.
They have fewer flavors, or don't offer any PG/VG selection - it is what it is.
Think through the math on this -
I just peeked at a popular vendor's website - over 200 flavors.
Each flavor offered in about 5 or 6 different PG/VG ratios.
Each flavor offered in 5 or 6 different nic levels.
You're asking them to keep 6000 products in stock - some of which may never sell. They just can't do that.
So they mix-to-order.
They have fewer flavors, or don't offer any PG/VG selection - it is what it is.
Think through the math on this -
I just peeked at a popular vendor's website - over 200 flavors.
Each flavor offered in about 5 or 6 different PG/VG ratios.
Each flavor offered in 5 or 6 different nic levels.
You're asking them to keep 6000 products in stock - some of which may never sell. They just can't do that.
So they mix-to-order.
I mean... who do you think many of these vendors are?
many of them are like you and me... who invested a few grand... maybe a little more...
many don't even quit their day job...
imagine yourself and a significant other... ... 25-50 orders a day... even if you offered 6 juices in 2 sizes at 3 strengths and 3 pg/vg ratios...
you have to keep everything in stock...
answer emails
track orders
mix good juice
package it
get to the po
deal with postal problems and unhappy customers
pay taxes... and if you live in certain states it's a lot....
there's a big jump from a small company to a large company... jump in terms of cost and time.
and most vendors can't afford to make that jump...
...and here's something you never consider...
What if... you had a really popular juice or two... lets call it... uh.... how about we call it.... bobas....
and there is ONE flavor supplier for that unique flavor and they have you by the horns... because you can't make and sell you famous bobas without that flavor... and when you do get the flavor it sells out in 15 minutes for the week or month... and you can't make anymore until your flavor supplier comes through...
Get a new flavor supplier? maybe... but then the juice wouldn't be the same and maybe people would notice...
you newbies might not know this, but that's exactly why we don't have bwb ry4 and ejokers anymore...
at least ben still tries to bring us bobas... just wait until he has kids... does he have kids yet?
anyway, the answer is obvious... but also easy to miss... sort of like when you are looking for your glasses but they are already on your face... (It happens to me all the time)
These vendors would love your money... I am sure they'd love to get ahead and have pre-made stuff and get more out faster... and quit their day jobs... their success is also their headache... because people just don't understand how difficult it is to keep all of these ducks in a row.
Sure, some of these vendors are unimaginative and perhaps incompetent... but for the most part... they are like you and me... who got good at diy and thought they'd have a little cool business on the side...
and thank god these folks exist. They keep it fresh and interesting.... someone reading this thread might be the new mad murdock in a year...
many of them are like you and me... who invested a few grand... maybe a little more...
many don't even quit their day job...
imagine yourself and a significant other... ... 25-50 orders a day... even if you offered 6 juices in 2 sizes at 3 strengths and 3 pg/vg ratios...
you have to keep everything in stock...
answer emails
track orders
mix good juice
package it
get to the po
deal with postal problems and unhappy customers
pay taxes... and if you live in certain states it's a lot....
there's a big jump from a small company to a large company... jump in terms of cost and time.
and most vendors can't afford to make that jump...
...and here's something you never consider...
What if... you had a really popular juice or two... lets call it... uh.... how about we call it.... bobas....
and there is ONE flavor supplier for that unique flavor and they have you by the horns... because you can't make and sell you famous bobas without that flavor... and when you do get the flavor it sells out in 15 minutes for the week or month... and you can't make anymore until your flavor supplier comes through...
Get a new flavor supplier? maybe... but then the juice wouldn't be the same and maybe people would notice...
you newbies might not know this, but that's exactly why we don't have bwb ry4 and ejokers anymore...
at least ben still tries to bring us bobas... just wait until he has kids... does he have kids yet?
anyway, the answer is obvious... but also easy to miss... sort of like when you are looking for your glasses but they are already on your face... (It happens to me all the time)
These vendors would love your money... I am sure they'd love to get ahead and have pre-made stuff and get more out faster... and quit their day jobs... their success is also their headache... because people just don't understand how difficult it is to keep all of these ducks in a row.
Sure, some of these vendors are unimaginative and perhaps incompetent... but for the most part... they are like you and me... who got good at diy and thought they'd have a little cool business on the side...
and thank god these folks exist. They keep it fresh and interesting.... someone reading this thread might be the new mad murdock in a year...
You basically have a choice, a vendor that can adjust things to the way you like it, and can usually ship fairly quickly (there do seem to be supply issues out there right now) and a wider variety of choices, and it sits on your shelf for a week or so steeping. Or, you can get a more limited menu ready to go. There are mega mixers out there (Dekang, Liqua ) that mix it up in hug vats. What most of us on here prefer are more boutiques choices. So, would you prefer to eat at McDonalds all the time, or a better restaurant for about the same price, but it's sit down, and it takes longer to get the food because of the waiter, and the cooked to order process. Sure, McDonalds is ok from time to time, I have 6 bottles of Liqua heading my way now from China. But of the things out there like that, there is only 1 that I like, and even then, I mix it with a flavor from a boutique. OR, as has happened before, you found a potential market, your welcome to fill it if you want to. The barrier to entry is low right now. Mainly just find a supplier, creating a recipe that you like, so then you can spend a couple grand in supplies, create your recipe, and then try to take orders on it in 6 weeks when it's ready. Oh.. and next week, you will need to do it again for the sales in 7 weeks, and again in 8 weeks. IF the sales in week 7 are twice what you planned for, will you just say, sorry, can't ship your order for a week ? (you might get away with it, that could be a selling point with a certain clientel... we will sell no juice before it's time .. etc) Or will you break into Week 8's supply? And are we talking about you 6MG, 12MG, 18MG or 24MG? With or without extra flavor shot? (remember, if you add flavor shots, it will need to steep again).
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The main thing you have to choose is whether you want your vendor to offer limited choices in pg/vg ratio and nic strength, or offer custom juices that can tweaked and modified to your exact specifications. Most people, I assume, would prefer the latter, hence steeping, or aging, your juices is usually the way to go. I find it usually doesn't take longer than a week or two for most juices to taste amazing, unless the vg ratio is high
i get what everyones saying here. i just thought that it would be less of a PITA and easier to prefill 100 30ml bottles than to sort through each order and fill one by one having to uncap the ry4 fill a bottle and recap it. then three orders later take down the ry4 and do it again. combined with the whole steeping makes it better i figured no brainer right? guess not lol. and no i didnt mean prefill every single flavor/strength/pg ratio just the best selling ones. and yea tango i dont envy them a bit lol. i have three kids and a killer case of adhd so i'd probably get halfway through reading the orders and....oh look a puppy!
I agree with Sammy, but more to the point, I will not buy juices that require steeping, unless I read the reviews and they say the juice is great right out of the mail but gets better with age (and there has to be a lot of the same reviews). I just don't believe that I should have to wait for something that I pay for even after it has arrived into my hands. There is a lot of premium juice out there that needs steeping (even according to some of the manufacturers websites) but I won't pay for it, it's not worth my time, I got bigger fish to fry!
Another reason they don't pre mix is that some people are either allergic to PG or, simply do not want any PG. If they pre mixed, they could not sell those steeped flavors to those people and would need to warn people that it contained PG and was not available w/o PG - that would reduce sales - not a good bushiness move.
Because many of these vendors could easily sell those 100 30ml bottles in one day. And that's not counting 50 or 100 (or more) other flavors, and combinations of PG/VG/Nic strength. To have them pre-steeped for what, a week, 2 weeks?, you'd need thousands and thousands of bottles in stock to meet your "pre-steeped" requirements. It's simple logistics, you'd need a warehouse the size of Cleveland to stock them all, and most of these folks are Mom and Pop operations with limited budgets.
If this the case then they're poor in savvy. The answer to this situation is to only pre-steep your popular and don't pre-steep with your not so popular. A seller ought to know what's hot and what's not and act accordingly. At the amount of markup there is....one could make a lot of money just selling one or two hot sellers.
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