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ElDuderino

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I just recently heard about these e-cigs and i was excited to try them because i'm paralyzed and a smoker, smoking is tougher on my lungs than the average person. Well a buddy of mine was also interested and ordered a Joye 510 which he let me try. I liked it more than i expected and am interested in buying a kit for myself, but a few questions/concerns come to mind because i have fairly limited use of my hands. My fingers don't move, but i've figured out ways to use them in various ways within reason given they don't move and i can't grip anything.

1. My friend did research and i also recently did on that 510 before he bought it. From what we read it gave the most vapor and if others were much poorer at it, i doubt i'd try switching from cigs. That said, my limited finger use makes it hard to use that manual button. Is there a dramatic performance downgrade with the automatic batteries compared to the manual because my buddy got two manual ones with his order and that's all i could try? If so, is there a different model with automatic batteries that would be a better choice vs the 510 with automatic batteries?

2. Whatever model i end up getting, i'd prefer also getting eventually one of those pass through things that i could just plug into my computer. Generally when i smoke regular cigs at home it's by the computer anyways. The pass through for the 510 seems to only come with the manual button which is a no go for me. Will any pass through from a different model without a manual button work on the 510? If not, is that another reason to pass on the 510? A better alternative overall?

3. As i said earlier, i have limited use of my fingers. I plan to buy a liquid to do refills. I've read that some models have very small carts which would make doing refills harder when i'm alone.

4. Is battery life that important if you have few batteries than can be recharged?

5. Could i have someone fill say 5-6-7 carts after i get a liquid and let them sit until i choose to pop them on or do they need to be used pretty soon after filling?

6. How long does that fuzz inside the carts last when refilling? When toast, is it better to buy new fuzz or just empty carts?

7. I hear many say that they drip on the atomizer. This will sound dumb, but which end, the spot that plugs into th fuzz right?


Any answers or advice would be greatly appreciated, especially on a starter kit best for me. I know that without a strong vapor kick, i'd never be able to quit cigs and after reading here, everyone raves about the joye 510 in that regard, but the whole manual button deal on the batteries and pass through will make using it a sizable hassle. That said, i can't imagine liking another model if the vapor/throat hit was very noticeably lesser. Thanks in advance.
 

KreeL

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As much as you liked your friend's 510, what makes it so special in the minds of most happens to be what you can't use - the manual button.

Also, since topping up carts will likely be hard for you to do, the best device will likely be something with large carts. This would mean that based on your criteria I would recommend the penstyle, the e-cigar, or the Lady Pipe. Loads of vapor, a reliable long lasting battery, and no manual switch. The penstyle can be purchased with a USB passthrough as well.

Hope that helps. :)
 

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    Ok, I'll give it a shot here..

    I just recently heard about these e-cigs and i was excited to try them because i'm paralyzed and a smoker, smoking is tougher on my lungs than the average person. Well a buddy of mine was also interested and ordered a Joye 510 which he let me try. I liked it more than i expected and am interested in buying a kit for myself, but a few questions/concerns come to mind because i have fairly limited use of my hands. My fingers don't move, but i've figured out ways to use them in various ways within reason given they don't move and i can't grip anything.

    But your fingers are mobile enough to use the manual 510? You can still find auto batteries for the 510s, from at least totally wicked,, Electric Cigarette & E Liquid - Totally Wicked Electronic Cigarette Fluid

    1. My friend did research and i also recently did on that 510 before he bought it. From what we read it gave the most vapor and if others were much poorer at it, i doubt i'd try switching from cigs. That said, my limited finger use makes it hard to use that manual button. Is there a dramatic performance downgrade with the automatic batteries compared to the manual because my buddy got two manual ones with his order and that's all i could try? If so, is there a different model with automatic batteries that would be a better choice vs the 510 with automatic batteries?

    Tough call. Possibly an e-cigar? The auto batteries work fine, but as they aren't sealed, don't work well for those who prefer to 'drip' liquid directly onto the atomizer, the battery gets wet, and the sensor that makes it 'automatic' winds up gummed up/battery shot. For cartridge style use, the auto batteries are fine, I still use one occasionally.

    Due to your finger mobility, I think a penstyle (I just reviewed a new penstyle, the M201 - longer battery life, and is auto), or an e-cigar or e-pipe might be better. The penstyles hold around double the liquid of the 510, which itself holds a fair amount (.5ml for 510, 1ml for penstyle, or 801 or M201), and the e-cigars look to be at least double or triple that..check the reviews and video reviews section for some help on e-cigars.

    E-cigars and e-batteries also have longer battery life versus the smaller e-cigs, which may help out.

    2. Whatever model i end up getting, i'd prefer also getting eventually one of those pass through things that i could just plug into my computer. Generally when i smoke regular cigs at home it's by the computer anyways. The pass through for the 510 seems to only come with the manual button which is a no go for me. Will any pass through from a different model without a manual button work on the 510? If not, is that another reason to pass on the 510? A better alternative overall?
    Hmm. The 510 atomozier fits onto the J118/VX2 passthrough. I'm unsure if there's a passthrough for the J118, cehck:
    Welcome to the eSmoker Online
    or
    LITECIG USA
    for a J118 or VX2 passthrough.

    Many other passhtroughs for other models are indeed auto.

    3. As i said earlier, i have limited use of my fingers. I plan to buy a liquid to do refills. I've read that some models have very small carts which would make doing refills harder when i'm alone.

    A super mini like the M401/402/403 holds around .25ml of fluid from a fresh blank cart being filled. The 510 double, at .5ml, penstyle ~1ml, e-cigars/pipes = more. I don't *own* an e-cigar, but I'm leaning towards one for you based on your mobility, and possible difficulties in refills.

    4. Is battery life that important if you have few batteries than can be recharged?

    No, not so much. Are you able to replace the 510 battery ok by yourself?

    5. Could i have someone fill say 5-6-7 carts after i get a liquid and let them sit until i choose to pop them on or do they need to be used pretty soon after filling?

    They can sit for a bit, but most of us put a 'cap' on the end of them to maintain the nicotine. If someone were to say fill them once every few days, I think you'd be ok just keeping them out of direct heat and sunlight, though. Or the J118 has sealed in foil carts, but those would be pre-fille donly. e-cigars and e-pipes look more like 'bullets'..quite large. It might be worth simply finding one you like, and buying the carts in bulk?

    6. How long does that fuzz inside the carts last when refilling? When toast, is it better to buy new fuzz or just empty carts?

    At least a few refills, some use for a few days, others a week. You can re-stuff them with poly fill, or 'Fluval' (pet store, aquarium filter), but blank carts are inexpensive, say $25 for 50 or so if you shop around a bit.

    7. I hear many say that they drip on the atomizer. This will sound dumb, but which end, the spot that plugs into th fuzz right?

    Yes, onto the 'wick' or metal mesh that is pointed/contacts the cartridge (mouthpiece).

    Hope that helps?
     

    wegster

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    Here's an e-cigar cart, I'd wager an e-cigar holds 2ml or more:

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    Randall Fox

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    I just recently heard about these e-cigs and i was excited to try them because i'm paralyzed and a smoker, smoking is tougher on my lungs than the average person. Well a buddy of mine was also interested and ordered a Joye 510 which he let me try. I liked it more than i expected and am interested in buying a kit for myself, but a few questions/concerns come to mind because i have fairly limited use of my hands. My fingers don't move, but i've figured out ways to use them in various ways within reason given they don't move and i can't grip anything.

    1. My friend did research and i also recently did on that 510 before he bought it. From what we read it gave the most vapor and if others were much poorer at it, i doubt i'd try switching from cigs. That said, my limited finger use makes it hard to use that manual button. Is there a dramatic performance downgrade with the automatic batteries compared to the manual because my buddy got two manual ones with his order and that's all i could try? If so, is there a different model with automatic batteries that would be a better choice vs the 510 with automatic batteries? Like the previous poster said, the penstyle or cigar or pipe model would probably be best. I use a cigar because of the long battery and cartridge life.

    2. Whatever model i end up getting, i'd prefer also getting eventually one of those pass through things that i could just plug into my computer. Generally when i smoke regular cigs at home it's by the computer anyways. The pass through for the 510 seems to only come with the manual button which is a no go for me. Will any pass through from a different model without a manual button work on the 510? If not, is that another reason to pass on the 510? A better alternative overall? I haven't seen passthrus for the bigger models anywhere yet, but I'm sure they'll be coming out soon.

    3. As i said earlier, i have limited use of my fingers. I plan to buy a liquid to do refills. I've read that some models have very small carts which would make doing refills harder when i'm alone.

    4. Is battery life that important if you have few batteries than can be recharged?

    5. Could i have someone fill say 5-6-7 carts after i get a liquid and let them sit until i choose to pop them on or do they need to be used pretty soon after filling? Cartridges come with seals that you can slide back on after refilling. Having someone refill and reseal them for you should be no problem.

    6. How long does that fuzz inside the carts last when refilling? When toast, is it better to buy new fuzz or just empty carts? I usually wash the wool out about every 10 refills and change it about every 10 washes (or 100 refills). Alot of places sell empty carts pretty cheap now, too.

    7. I hear many say that they drip on the atomizer. This will sound dumb, but which end, the spot that plugs into th fuzz right? Yes, the steel wool looking thing that touches the wool on the cartridge when you put the cartridge on the cigarette.


    Any answers or advice would be greatly appreciated, especially on a starter kit best for me. I know that without a strong vapor kick, i'd never be able to quit cigs and after reading here, everyone raves about the joye 510 in that regard, but the whole manual button deal on the batteries and pass through will make using it a sizable hassle. That said, i can't imagine liking another model if the vapor/throat hit was very noticeably lesser. Thanks in advance.
    The 510 is a good model for smaller cigarettes because it produces good vapor, unlike most of the other small units. The larger units have no problem producing plenty of vapor.

    I think you'd be best off with one of the larger units, assuming that you have the finger strength to hold the extra weight. The Penstyle is only a little heavier than the 510, but the cigar is quite a bit heavier (because of the larger battery weight) and the pipe is even heavier than that (really big battery).
     

    ElDuderino

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    Wow, thanks for all the quick replies, i'm impressed with the forum. Thanks again to all who responded.

    I just did a quick look at a few random suppliers, the penstyle seems the route i'd like to take. Since i know nothing about which penstyle ones are best, i guess i'll check out a few reviews unless any here have a recomendation.

    A quick few questions n the penstyles

    1. The few sites i checked, the penstyles only come with one atomizer, my friends 510 came with two. Should i order a second one with the starter kit?

    2. Any accessories i should add besides empty carts and a liquid. I'd also like to find one with a pass through.
     

    KreeL

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    You will always need atomizers. Order as many as you can afford and stash them away. Empty carts are a good idea if you won't be able to re-stuff them yourself. I heartily recommend the 4-hole atomizers for the penstyle because the draw will be easier. This is only my opinion, however, because a lot of penstyle users like the stiffer draw from the 2-hole variety. Just email the supplier and ask which ones they have if you are in doubt. I also recommend an extra battery even though the penstyles last longer. Three batts in rotation and you won't be constantly swapping them off the charger. Also, you'll have more peace of mind when you travel. Passthroughs are readily available just about everywhere for the penstyle now.

    EDIT -- For a real treat, Janty has the KissBox penstyle that comes with both the manual AND auto switch AND offers a passthrough as well. A bit pricey, but for a penstyle it's like the Mercedes. jantyusa.com

    Last EDIT -- http://vaporguys.com/e-cigarette_kits/janty_kissbox_ecigarettes.html

    VaporGuys carries the Janty products as well. Great service, same warranty, less shipping cost, and if you search this site well enough you might even find a coupon. *hint hint*
     
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    When you order pre-filled carts you will see that they come in a plastic 'shell' over the bottom part, with mouthpiece sticking out of that. When you pull out the cart itself, you will see that there is a small plastic 'lid' on the bottom of the cart (though that often gets left behind in the shell when you pull the cart out). Be sure to keep those small plastic lids - they mostly aren't delivered along with empty carts which you later will probably be buying. (Oh and keep those 'shells' too of course).

    When you have finished a cart, you can pull out the filling (the fuzz) and wash it (just clear warm water from running tap works fine). Then dry it by squeezing it out in a paper towel. Now when a friend comes around and you have saved some of these carts, he can fill them up with e-liquid (best using a syringe; or else fill up the empty cart to a bit beneath the top, then slowly push the filling into the cart while giving it time to soak in the liquid there). If needed put in a few more drops after the filling is in, till the top is wet but not pooled. Now let him/her put on one of those small plastic lids; and then shove the cart with that lid on into the shell. Now you have carts in as good a condition as when you bought prefilled ones (or better even)... and this way you can easily keep them around for quite a while without them drying up or getting otherwise unusable.

    Good luck, hope you make it well into vaping! :)
     

    Marlyn M

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    Any answers or advice would be greatly appreciated, especially on a starter kit best for me. I know that without a strong vapor kick, i'd never be able to quit cigs and after reading here, everyone raves about the joye 510 in that regard, but the whole manual button deal on the batteries and pass through will make using it a sizable hassle. That said, i can't imagine liking another model if the vapor/throat hit was very noticeably lesser. Thanks in advance.
    My recommendation would be to get a DSE901 and try that with the automatic batteries. Several sites Eastmall being one of them will soon be offering manual 901 batteries. There are manual passthrus available at Eastmall and Ruyandirect, both relatively inexpensive (minus the shipping). Try the automatic see if it works and if you still prefer the manual get that in a month or so when they are available. There are places that sell the 510 with automatic batteries, Janty I believe(if you have settled on the 510).
    As for letting carts sit, every morning I take 5 of my 901's and 1 of my 510's and fill them and load them in my purse so I don't have to worry about messing with anything all day at work. I've never had a problem and I have kept full carts in my hard case for a few days and they still seem to be alright when I get around to using them.
    I got a plastic ammo holder(super cheap at any gun store) w/a snap lid, for at home and as long as you don't shake it up everything sits up and it holds about 50 carts. If you did something like that, you'd only have to have someone help you every 3-5 days even with heavy vaping.
    Hope this helps.
     
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    ElDuderino

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    Thanks again to everyone

    I settled on the DSE 801 Silver Penstyle Starter Kit. Along with that i got a second atomizer, 10 empty carts, and a thing of juice to try. Then since i was only about six dollars from free shipping, i just decided to add a third battery given that i'd only be paying half price for it by meeting the 75 dollar free shipping limit. I figured by having three batteries, i won't really need the pass through and my older computer doesn't have a USB port on the front.

    I at first didn't think i'd want a penstyle given it was longer, unlike a real cig, but that should actually help my crippled ... hold it better.
     
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