I'm diving right into rebuildable atomizers, tips?

[Dana G Birrell]

I finally have figured out a little bit about why and how these kanthal wires heat up so efficiently, but I'm still trying to understand more! I don't learn or retain very well simply by reading, I see text and treat it as a wall of don't give a damn, I unfortunately have to learn hands-on, or I retain next to nothing.

I've noticed when the kanthal loops touch, it doesn't seem to vape as well, is this because the touching wire is adding additional resistance? I'm assuming that with my Vision Eternity Atomizer, the posts and post clamps add onto the overall resistance of the device, making it heat up more or less efficiently. How likely am I to destroy my atomizer by keeping my resistance too low? Or would this destroy my battery first? Also, what is the best way to measure the actual resistance of entire atomizer, not just post-to-post resistance?

Apparently 28g kanthal is way too thick to get these posts back on, I'm going to see if I can redrill one of these post sets ---- this is assuming I have a small enough drill bit.

What would a better gauge for my vision, possibly 32?

 

[supertrunker]

i use 32g kanthal and a cotton /ss mesh hybrid wick. You can use fewer wraps with 32g than 28g - because of the resistance. My BEST suggestion and it really will pay dividends in the long run is to practice making coils.

There are loads of different methods - wrapping them round a machine screw, screwdriver or pin, but the idea is the same - you want even coils nicely spaced that are not touching each other because that way lies shorts and hotspots.

If you wrap them at too low a resistance for your device then it will not fire because it will trip the protection circuit or one in your battery if it has one. Shorting one out is not ideal and can destroy your device - So my next best bit of advice is to get a multimeter you trust and learn to measure the resistance. Never fit a coil or atomiser without testing it first. I measure all mine first and then try them on my silver bullet - because it is a robust device that cannot be ruined by a short circuit easily. I recommend trying to hit 2.4 to 2.8 Ohms - which is about 4 wraps of my wire usually.

If that sounds all doom and gloom - it's really not; because soon you can make your own the way you like them and nothing gives the same sense of achievement and satisfaction. Good Luck!

T

 

[Stephenst4470]

Stick with 32g on the Vision Eternity, it would take way more wraps of 28g then the available amount of space in that atty to make a coil of reasonable resistance.

 

[Dana G Birrell]

I thankfully have a multi meter which my dad gave me recently. When I measure resistance on my device, should I do so from the point of connection to the battery? Or from post to post?

As for wrapping the coils, should they be loosely fit? Or tightly wound?

Also, when I wrap my wire and secure the wire to the posts, should I cut off excess wire? Or will the 1mm hanging out of the bottom not cause any issues?

Thank you for the gauge recommendation, will order 15 ft of it in a little while.

 

[Huffelpuff]

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[Thompson]

I find its easier to measure from the posts with the multimeter. I've never seen much resistance difference between them and the 510 connection. If there were much resistance between the 510 & the posts, the atomizer would be heating up not just the coil.

You don't want the coils wrapped too tightly, especially around fabric wick as they tend to fatten as they absorb liquid. This can eventually choke the flow more than likely leading to dry hits.

I try and trim the wire sticking from the posts pretty close, but if it isn't going to come in contact with any other metal it shouldn't cause any issue.

 

[supertrunker]

I thankfully have a multi meter which my dad gave me recently. When I measure resistance on my device, should I do so from the point of connection to the battery? Or from post to post?

As for wrapping the coils, should they be loosely fit? Or tightly wound?

Also, when I wrap my wire and secure the wire to the posts, should I cut off excess wire? Or will the 1mm hanging out of the bottom not cause any issues?

Thank you for the gauge recommendation, will order 15 ft of it in a little while.

i measure them with the black lead on the outside of the atomiser and the red one touching the pin inside - both on the bottom where it screws into your device. it is also feasible to just measure between the posts - and to get enough wire i typically cut 3 inches off and an inch in bend it - put it on one multimeter lead; then run the other lead along the wire until i hit a little over the Ohms of the coil i am aiming for and then bend that too. That gives me the wire i need to wrap. Roughly.

I wrap the coils as tight as i can because then they tend to slip less when fitting them in the atomiser head - that is infuriating! i wiggle the excess wire and it breaks tidily at the posts - any that touches the side = short circuit. Some people cut them flush, but it's easy to just wiggle the remaining wire up and down once you have screwed the posts down until it breaks off. Make sure your entire wick and coil is in the middle of the posts and over the air hole and that nothing of the coil is touching one of the posts = short. You can adjust your wick even when fitted with a needle or such and the coils too if you are careful.

I think 100ft of Kanthal 32g a-1 (there are different qualities - but that's what you want) cost me about $9.

T

 

[Dana G Birrell]

i measure them with the black lead on the outside of the atomiser and the red one touching the pin inside - both on the bottom where it screws into your device. it is also feasible to just measure between the posts - and to get enough wire i typically cut 3 inches off and an inch in bend it - put it on one multimeter lead; then run the other lead along the wire until i hit a little over the Ohms of the coil i am aiming for and then bend that too. That gives me the wire i need to wrap. Roughly.

I wrap the coils as tight as i can because then they tend to slip less when fitting them in the atomiser head - that is infuriating! i wiggle the excess wire and it breaks tidily at the posts - any that touches the side = short circuit. Some people cut them flush, but it's easy to just wiggle the remaining wire up and down once you have screwed the posts down until it breaks off. Make sure your entire wick and coil is in the middle of the posts and over the air hole and that nothing of the coil is touching one of the posts = short. You can adjust your wick even when fitted with a needle or such and the coils too if you are careful.

I think 100ft of Kanthal 32g a-1 (there are different qualities - but that's what you want) cost me about $9.

T

Where are you getting this much for so little? I ordered from OKCVapes, 5x 3ft packages $11 shipped.

Will heed posters advice. Have to pick up kiddo from hospital, he enacted his nickname today. Crash decided that tumbling with his scooter was a positive idea, he got himself a 1" gash in his forehead and turns out he has a marble in his ear!

 

[Thrasher]

TEMCo Industrial Power Supply

9 to 12 dollars 100 ft shipped.
OKC is good for mesh but go elsewhere for wire.

 

[supertrunker]

Where are you getting this much for so little? I ordered from OKCVapes, 5x 3ft packages $11 shipped.

Will heed posters advice. Have to pick up kiddo from hospital, he enacted his nickname today. Crash decided that tumbling with his scooter was a positive idea, he got himself a 1" gash in his forehead and turns out he has a marble in his ear!

guess the marble affected his balance!!

 

[Dana G Birrell]

I understand not what I have done, but I will explain.

I took a measurement on my atomizer and it was at 0.7 ohms. I thought, oh ..... This could be bad!?!

So, I took my only piece of kanthal wire, and wrapped another wick, this time when wrapping it I got about 3 solid wraps around the wick and was able to get the posts back onto my atomizer without breaking the kanthal. I took another readong, and I was sitting at around 2.4 ohms. My coils aren't perfect, in fact they kind of suck, but I made due with what I had. We're vaping quite a bit better, but it could always get better!

So questions in regards to this;
Why am I getting more vapor with 2.4 vs 0.7 ohms? Is it because my atomizer can handle 2.4 ohms rather than 0.7? Or do I not understand ohms like I think I do?

When wrapping coils, and a coil happens to touch another one, is this going to create a hot spot in the wire and increase or decrease ohm ratings?

I'll have more questions eventually, feel free to speak to me like a child, because it might help. I crave knowledge, and I figure this is the best way to learn

 

[Thrasher]

you never said what kind of device this is on, on some VV mods too low of a resistance will never put out the wattage needed to give the full power as they have limits, most times higher resistance works better becuase the actual amps is less then the mods limit.


if wires touch it creats a short usually dropping resistance and creating uneven heating or hotspots.

then there is the wick itself if you push the voltage/wattage and the thin wick cant keep up it will not work as good as a cooler, higher resistance setup.

 

[Dana G Birrell]

Pretty sure in the first post I stated it was a Vision Eternity, however if I did not I apologize. Speaking of wicks, I'm using 0.3mm silica thredad, should I stick with a single frayed strand? Or use two?

I again thank you for your posts, the whole ordeal is starting to make more sense

 

[eHuman]

Kind of tough to justify taking time to give advice when your opening comment is "I don't like reading written instruction and treat it as a wall of I don't give a damn".

 

[Thrasher]

Pretty sure in the first post I stated it was a Vision Eternity

yes, yes you did, lol but you still havent told us what the eternity is screwed onto..................

 

[Dana G Birrell]

Kind of tough to justify taking time to give advice when your opening comment is "I don't like reading written instruction and treat it as a wall of I don't give a damn".

What I mean by this, is I have a hard time relating things to what I'm doing when it's not very specifically for what I'm doing

yes, yes you did, lol but you still havent told us what the eternity is screwed onto..................

I am smart, I use 2 standard 650 mah batteries and 2 Ego Upgrades

 

[eHuman]

Click on my blog entries under my avatar and read parts 1 and 2 on wicking and wrapping coils. then watch a good youtube video to get a visual to go along with it.

I try to cover all of the common pitfalls of learning how to set up an AGA--T, though the theory applies to most RBAs.

 

[sereil46]

Click on my blog entries under my avatar and read parts 1 and 2 on wicking and wrapping coils. then watch a good youtube video to get a visual to go along with it.

I try to cover all of the common pitfalls of learning how to set up an AGA--T, though the theory applies to most RBAs.

Some good info in here...thanks!

 

[Dana G Birrell]

Reading part one, one sentence at a time, gathering all of the information I can take in without having mesh in front of me to work with.

I YouTubed a video regarding the AGA-T Genesis and... holy crap. Looks a LOT more efficient than my vision, and it also looks like it would be MUCH easier to work with.

With stainless steel mesh wicks, are they simply rolled and oxidized mesh without any sort of cloth in them? Or did I mistake that?

 

[eHuman]

With stainless steel mesh wicks, are they simply rolled and oxidized mesh without any sort of cloth in them? Or did I mistake that?

You are correct, just SS mesh rolled up into a solid wick. It sounds more difficult than it is, but takes much explanation as many small things can change your success to a failure. Once you have it down, you wonder why it ever seemed hard.