think it's a plant. Why would someone come into a forum and ask for advice on if they should start a habit?
I'm not a smoker. Is this worth getting into?
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For some stupid reason this forum software thinks I'm trying to post a URL when I wrote this as one giant post, so please forgive me for posting multiple times in a row.
I'm not going to be using this as often as a smoker would. Puffing away for 20 minutes three or four times a week, I won't be going through very much liquid or very many atomizers. How will this be an expensive activity? Obviously, there are start up costs. But if I can find a good sample pack that is nicotine free, then I was figuring on only spending around $100 + S&H to get started. As for recurring costs, I can't imagine that for my kind of usage that this hobby would be much pricier than going out to see one or two movies a month. But you are absolutely correct that it WILL cost money. Money that would otherwise be accumulating in my savings account. I should do a more detailed analysis of what a year's costs might be, although I can only guess at how much liquid I would be using. I suspect vaping could have a place as part of a well rounded entertainment budget that includes money for movies, drinks, going out, books, etc
What will I be getting addicted to?!? The taste of apples? Mint? Peach cobbler?
What drug? Apparently, you didn't bother to read my post
I'm not going to be using this as often as a smoker would. Puffing away for 20 minutes three or four times a week, I won't be going through very much liquid or very many atomizers. How will this be an expensive activity? Obviously, there are start up costs. But if I can find a good sample pack that is nicotine free, then I was figuring on only spending around $100 + S&H to get started. As for recurring costs, I can't imagine that for my kind of usage that this hobby would be much pricier than going out to see one or two movies a month. But you are absolutely correct that it WILL cost money. Money that would otherwise be accumulating in my savings account. I should do a more detailed analysis of what a year's costs might be, although I can only guess at how much liquid I would be using. I suspect vaping could have a place as part of a well rounded entertainment budget that includes money for movies, drinks, going out, books, etc
What will I be getting addicted to?!? The taste of apples? Mint? Peach cobbler?
What drug? Apparently, you didn't bother to read my post
And I figured it out! You can't quote someone else if the quote contains a URL. That's silly. You'd think that if someone else can post a URL, it must be ok already. I can understand it being too complicated for the forum to tell the difference between a quoted URL and my own URL though.
I agree. That's why I stay away from caffeine. My father is hopelessly addicted to it. He drinks coffee all day long. I've urged him many times to try and get off the drug, but he insists he needs it to stay awake during the day. I also think he may be a functioning alcoholic. So I've made it a point not to drink to excess myself.
Thanks for the heads up! I'll take a look.
If anyone ever tried to encourage me to start vapign nicotine, I would laugh in their face. I'm not an idiot. I know how nicotine plays with the dopamine reward circuits in the brain. It's dangerous stuff. It's a shame, too, because some of nicotine's physiological effects would otherwise be desirable to me. Especially the way it elevates levels of norepinephrine. I already use hyperforin as a selective norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor.
Could you please point out the part of my post where I said I was 18?
Well thanks for the warm welcome, ........ Do you regularily insult the intelligence of people who are standing right next to you in a room? Just because this is the internet doesn't make it any less rude.
Oh, I agree that smoking cigarettes looks ridiculous. But not because of the smoke. I've always found smoke to be "cool" and "mesmerizing" and "fun". It looks ridiculous because people are killing themselves! But this isn't a cigarette. It doesn't look like a cigarette. There are no carcinogens.
Again, I don't think smoking is cool. But none of you people smoke, now do you? You do something completely different.
I agree. That's why I stay away from caffeine. My father is hopelessly addicted to it. He drinks coffee all day long. I've urged him many times to try and get off the drug, but he insists he needs it to stay awake during the day. I also think he may be a functioning alcoholic. So I've made it a point not to drink to excess myself.
Thanks for the heads up! I'll take a look.
If anyone ever tried to encourage me to start vapign nicotine, I would laugh in their face. I'm not an idiot. I know how nicotine plays with the dopamine reward circuits in the brain. It's dangerous stuff. It's a shame, too, because some of nicotine's physiological effects would otherwise be desirable to me. Especially the way it elevates levels of norepinephrine. I already use hyperforin as a selective norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor.
Could you please point out the part of my post where I said I was 18?
Well thanks for the warm welcome, ........ Do you regularily insult the intelligence of people who are standing right next to you in a room? Just because this is the internet doesn't make it any less rude.
Oh, I agree that smoking cigarettes looks ridiculous. But not because of the smoke. I've always found smoke to be "cool" and "mesmerizing" and "fun". It looks ridiculous because people are killing themselves! But this isn't a cigarette. It doesn't look like a cigarette. There are no carcinogens.
You know, it's almost impossible to believe that I was ever young enough that I thought smoking looked cool.
And I agree with Thickfog . . . vaping doesn't look cool. For the most part, it looks like you're sucking on a pen, or, in some cases, a screwdriver.
But, yeah, I'm starting to think the "I'm not a smoker but want to vape" posts are bogus.
Again, I don't think smoking is cool. But none of you people smoke, now do you? You do something completely different.
Look, the people who vape are not doing it to be cool or to satisfy their sweet-tooth. They (including myself) use this as a tool to diminish their exposure to the dangers of regular cigarettes. Some are able to quit, some are not.
Nicotine or not, I don't know why anyone would want to do this just for the hell of it.
Go find another hobby. And if you have cash that you're wanting to spend, send it to one of your local charities that help people who are out of work.
Jeeez....
Nicotine or not, I don't know why anyone would want to do this just for the hell of it.
Go find another hobby. And if you have cash that you're wanting to spend, send it to one of your local charities that help people who are out of work.
Jeeez....
And this proves you're a rabble rouser just trying to make trouble.
Go find something else to do with your time. Idiot.
my question is why are you asking. Reading your replies, you seem more legit and not just trying to stir people up. Sometimes people come in here and try to stir things. But why do u need to ask a forum on what you should do in regard to vaping? If you want to vape and you have most of it figured out, do what you choose, but I will echo, stay away from nicotine. Smoking was the worst decision of my life, and e-cigs are helping me to move away from that bad decision where the patch, gum, etc all did not work for me. My best advice, would be to talk to your doctor before you vape. E-cigs are safer than regular cigs, but that are not as good as clean, fresh, country air.
Hi everyone!
I first learned about e-cigarettes recently, and I've spent the past few days trying to keep my head above water learning about everything. I find the idea fascinating. However, I'm coming at this as a non-smoker (I've never so much as tried a cigarette before). I went to a hookah bar a few months ago with some friends and had my first (and thus far only) experience with tobacco. Over the course of several hours I got to try a whole variety of flavors which I enjoyed tremendously, although I really didn't care for the nicotine high (it made me unpleasantly lightheaded, and not in a fun way). If I dive into all of this, it will be purely with nicotine free flavors. Nicotine is an extremely powerful and addicting drug that I have no interest in messing with. I am, however, intrigued by the idea of injecting more vanilla, mint, chocolate, and apple into my life
Here are my questions:
1.) As someone who would only be vaping a few times a week just for the flavors and because I think it will be fun (and also the "oh cool, I'm blowing really real looking fake smoke" factor), do you think it will be worth it?
2.) Given that I would be taking drug use out of the equation, a lot of the usual concerns about battery life, atomizer life, and cartridge life don't really apply to me. I don't need to rely on one of these things to make it through the work day and stave off nicotine withdrawal. Therefore, is there any typical newbie advice that you feel doesn't apply to me, or that you would modify? I've gathered that the 901 is the way to go when you're just starting out, but I've been wondering if maybe a smaller unit is the way to go for more casual use since battery life isn't a major issue.
3.) Are there any other people on here who don't actually use flavors with nicotine?
4.) None of the flavor sample packs I've found so far come in nicotine free versions. They all have 18 mg here or 11 mg there, etc. Are there any sample packs that I could get?
Thanks for your help!
Okay, I'm a brand new member to the forum - been reading for days and finally registered to reply to this - I was going to register anyway eventually.
Here's my opinion: First of all, smoking IS DEFINITELY COOL!!! Cool as in fun! sorry, it just is. its a fun ritual and blowing clouds of smoke is fun as are smoke rings etc. smelling like smoke and the taste and what it can do to your teeth are most definitely NOT fun and the cancer isnt much fun either.
Now, it IS possible to smoke occasionally you know. lots of people smoke only when they have a drink. I go months without smoking then go a few months where I have a smoke almost every day and sometimes two. The key is knowing when you're starting to get hooked to the point where you have to drive out into a driving rain at 1:30 a.m. to get more. you stop right before that point. its still not healthy and I wouldnt recommend it from that standpoint alone. however, if you are otherwise healthy, I think vaping some tasty flavors with no nicotine might be fun. I probably wouldnt want to spend the money. The big caveat is frequency. I would NOT recommend it if you plan on doing it often. once or week or so.....prolly would do less damage than drinking out of plastic bottles or eating soy (google soy and estrogen and then bpa from plastic). or sodium nitrate or sodium nitrite or any hydrogenated or the chlorine in the water you bath in that gets absorbed into your skin or gets vaporized and gets into your lungs etc. or the carbon monoxide that comes from a gas stove - need I go on? lots of things can kill you over time. but vaping doesnt not seem to be especially dangerous so far so if you want to play occasionally and can control yourself (like me), then why the hell not?
Each person here is responsible for our own choices as are you. Most of us here use e-cigs for very specific reasons, mostly to eliminate our addiction to chemical-filled analogs. Therefore, it is hard for us to see anyone picking up e-cigs "just for the hell of it".
E-cigs are under attack on many fronts. Please understand our scepticism and defensivness to protect what we've found works for us. We don't want Big Brother, Pharma, Tobacco, or FDA telling us what is best for us and taking that control out of our hands. Anyone here recommending that someone like you take up e-cigs would be absolutely stupid on our part. ...You could be a plant from one of these organizations for all we know?
Do as you please idontusetobacco, but you've heard our opinions. You'll never be able to say that you're doing it on a recommendation from this forum.
E-cigs are under attack on many fronts. Please understand our scepticism and defensivness to protect what we've found works for us. We don't want Big Brother, Pharma, Tobacco, or FDA telling us what is best for us and taking that control out of our hands. Anyone here recommending that someone like you take up e-cigs would be absolutely stupid on our part. ...You could be a plant from one of these organizations for all we know?
Do as you please idontusetobacco, but you've heard our opinions. You'll never be able to say that you're doing it on a recommendation from this forum.
I realize that many people who vape do it because they are addicted to nicotine. It is a tool for them. Something to help them manage their addiction. I thought that there might be other legitimate uses for vaporizers for people like me who aren't drug users (well, aside from the occasional drink). It's beginning to sound like I was wrong!
I found the flavors at the hookah bar to be, well, tasty. It was so enjoyable that I was honestly a little ...... off that the experience had to be "ruined" by the whole nicotine and carcinogen aspect. I thought this would be a good way to recapture a similar experience without having to kill myself in the process.[/quote]
Go find another hobby. And if you have cash that you're wanting to spend, send it to one of your local charities that help people who are out of work.
Jeeez....
Should I never spend any money on myself? Should I live off of Ramen noodles and never watch movies and never drink beer and never eat ice cream and instead donate all that money to charity? I don't really want to open that can of worms, because I've never found any satisfying answers. That line of thought leads to questioning the very underpinnings of Western civilization. But this is neither the time nor the place for THAT conversation
So far, none of your posts in this thread have contained any useful information or constructive criticism. I hope you aren't a typical example of the kind of person who frequents this forum. Why do you waste your time being rude on an internet forum? Get a life!
Are you kidding? Are you implying that vaping is the same thing as smoking? I sure hope you aren't! Again, unless I missed a class, vaping is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM SMOKING!
Why am I asking questions about vaping on a vaping forum? I should think that would be obvious
In my first post I asked several questions, besides just "is it worth it".
I live in a city too, btw, so no fresh country air for me. God only knows what kind of crap I breathe in all day long
I didn't know ther were Hookah bars with e-hookahs. Where was it?
So far, none of your posts in this thread have contained any useful information or constructive criticism. I hope you aren't a typical example of the kind of person who frequents this forum. Why do you waste your time being rude on an internet forum? Get a life!
To the contrary, ALL of us have recommended that you not start an addiction if you're not choosing the lesser of 2 evils. That's about as useful as it gets.
Why am I asking questions about vaping on a vaping forum? I should think that would be obvious
...It is...
LMFAO
I'm definitely skeptical myself..... there's something just a little unbelievable about these two posts. Who chooses the screen name "idontusetobacco" ...I mean come one. WTF.... such an underhanded way of gathering evidence against something.... besides, before I smoked I didn't think it was cool and had no desire to do it at all. I would never have gone out of my way to "look" like I was smoking.... just seems a little bit off.idontusetobacco: If you are truly sincere please forgive all of us who are extremely skeptical of these kinds of posts due to the recent placement of e-cigs in the FDA's all powerful scope. And DON'T pick up an addiction just for the hell of it.... NO ONE in here is glad they ever touched a cig.
You'll get no argument from me there! It's kind of awful how such a fun looking (visually speaking) activity (that is, smoking actually cigarettes, pipes, cigars, etc) can be so bad for you
Honestly, I'd encourage you to switch to nicotine free flavors. Nicotine is insidious, biochemically speaking. The risk of getting addicted to it is too high, IMO.
Well, don't many people smoke hookah "just for the hell of it"? Again, that's the kind of experience I'm trying to replicate. It tastes delicious!
For those of you that have actually been polite and shared opinions with me in a civil manner, thank you.
yep. their phishing for one reason or another. Thats why its best to ignore instead of posting somthing that potentially could be used against us vaporors/businesses.
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