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Well my girlfriend has COPD she has primarily used the used e cigarette the past two years in a mtl lung device. Now her COPD has advanced and she has pneumonia . i have never seen her so sick in the 7 years i have known her. I also talked to my doctor and he wants me to quit the e cigarette. He agrees they may be safer than regular cigarettes but are not designed for long term use. My girlfriend quit the e cigarette as soon as she got sick and im not trying to ruffle any feathers but can it be said that these are safe for long term use. I feel like crap when i use mine too much. I dont know. I also have asthma. I know its not going to be the same for everyone and i know most of you have had positive experiences. Im still grateful to end my cigarette just upset to see my girlfriend so sick.
 

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Hi. Dont have all the answers but I get asthma and find some flavours affect it. Many don't, but some do. Now this may raise some debate, maybe not. But here is my experience. I have never had a flavour that was diacetyl, acetoin or acetyl propinyl free that has given me asthma. I have only had it from those that contain those ingredients. Not all, there has been a few that dont affect me. But the only ones ever that have, have had them. Im guessing it was the actual flavour ingredient plus one or two or all of them. Again, never fom one ever that is certified free. Coincidence? Maybe, but too often too be so in my opinion.
 

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Well my girlfriend has COPD she has primarily used the used e cigarette the past two years in a mtl lung device. Now her COPD has advanced and she has pneumonia . i have never seen her so sick in the 7 years i have known her. I also talked to my doctor and he wants me to quit the e cigarette. He agrees they may be safer than regular cigarettes but are not designed for long term use. My girlfriend quit the e cigarette as soon as she got sick and im not trying to ruffle any feathers but can it be said that these are safe for long term use. I feel like crap when i use mine too much. I dont know. I also have asthma. I know its not going to be the same for everyone and i know most of you have had positive experiences. Im still grateful to end my cigarette just upset to see my girlfriend so sick.
Ecigs are not good for a body, they are merely a lot less bad than cigarettes. If you smoked cigarettes you would probably feel even worse. The biggest advantage of them over cigarettes besides that is they are a lot easier to quit than cigarettes.
If you can quit, quit.

Were vapes designed for long term use? Not really, but almost nothing is. Scientific studies are usually very short term. They use animal models with very short lifespans to model longer term effect on animals (such as humans). Because of this “designed for long term use” is not covered by current studies.

A couple tests you might try which are basically attempting to isolate the culprit

1.). Switching to 100%VG. While some people have issues withVG, more people have issues with PG. if this solves your issues with vapes than your problem is likely the PG.
2.). Switching to unflavored. Its not impossible the problem is one or more flavors in your ejuice. If you try both at once, you get “one of these two things was the issue” but you won’t be able to tell which one.

If none of these work, you should probably consider dropping vaping entirely.
 

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Well my girlfriend has COPD she has primarily used the used e cigarette the past two years in a mtl lung device. Now her COPD has advanced and she has pneumonia . i have never seen her so sick in the 7 years i have known her. I also talked to my doctor and he wants me to quit the e cigarette. He agrees they may be safer than regular cigarettes but are not designed for long term use. My girlfriend quit the e cigarette as soon as she got sick and im not trying to ruffle any feathers but can it be said that these are safe for long term use. I feel like crap when i use mine too much. I dont know. I also have asthma. I know its not going to be the same for everyone and i know most of you have had positive experiences. Im still grateful to end my cigarette just upset to see my girlfriend so sick.

I'm no expert, but my wife and I have been vaping for 6 years and our lung function has only improved. My wife used to get a cold every year, and every year it settled into her lungs and turned into bronchitis which always ended up with a Dr. and a handful of prescriptions. She also had occasional bouts of asthma. Since switching to vaping, colds are now just colds, no bronchitis, no asthma flair ups, and best of all, no Dr's and no prescriptions. As for me, I never had any serious issues, but I can say I breathe easier and don't get as winded now.

As Vapedog mentioned it could be an issue with flavors so you might try unflavored to know for sure. It could also possibly be a sensitivity to either PG or VG so maybe experiment with 100% PG or 90VG/10DW (Distilled Water).
 
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A couple years before I quit smoking my doctor said I had the early stages of emphysema. A couple years after I quit, my lungs were clear.

I asked my doc how he thought my lungs would look if I’d kept smoking. And he said certainly not better.

So improvement for me.

But that’s anecdotal, and asthma is another matter. Try the previously mentioned advice, and see if it helps. If not, quit.

We still don’t have all the answers, we’re all playing it by ear.
 

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It's difficult, even frightening, to see a loved one so sick. Our every instinct is to protect them, yet in the face of disease we are often helpless.

Your girlfriend's COPD wasn't caused by vaping. COPD is a progressive disease, meaning it gets worse over time. It's caused by long term exposure to chemical irritants, she didn't get it overnight - it likely took decades to develop.

There is no cure for COPD, but with treatment quality of life can improve and serious complications become less likely.

This is what the doctors are concerned with in her case; immediate quality of life and fewer severe complications, though nothing will cure her at this point.

For her quality of life, It's best she quits since she seems at a later stage where serious complications are more likely to develop.

As for you, you have to weigh the facts in your own case:

Do you have COPD? If not then what she is dealing with and what you deal with are two very different things.

  1. Are you able to quit vaping without going back to smoking?

Smoking is far worse for you than vaping, so consider this answer carefully.

If you can't quit vaping without a return to smoking there are things you can do while vaping to decrease harm to you even further.

  1. Remove flavoring from your juice, and only vape unflavored nicotine ejuice.
  2. Keep your consumption level lower. (lower wattage, MTL devices).
It's perfectly natural to let fear take over when we see our loved ones sick, but it's better when we look at the facts in our particular case and deal with those facts.

Talk to you doctor as he knows the particulars of your own case, but when you do don't let fear dictate the direction, but instead, the facts.
 

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Keep your consumption level lower. (lower wattage, MTL devices).

I don't know what they are currently using, but changing devices or vaping styles isn't the only way to lower consumption. They can potentially use higher nic level juice (switching to salts if needed) to get the satisfaction with fewer puffs on what they already have. Don't get me wrong, they probably shouldn't be using a 200 watt multi coil fog machine, but with most average mainstream devices, fewer puffs is still fewer puffs.
 

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I don't know what they are currently using, but changing devices or vaping styles isn't the only way to lower consumption. They can potentially use higher nic level juice (switching to salts if needed) to get the satisfaction with fewer puffs on what they already have. Don't get me wrong, they probably shouldn't be using a 200 watt multi coil fog machine, but with most average mainstream devices, fewer puffs is still fewer puffs.

Very good point, thanks for that!
 

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I was going through breathing issues and immediately blamed vaping. I have two cats and have always been allergic to pet dander but my symptoms were pretty well controlled with a Zyrtec tab every day. Soon, that stopped working and I began wheezing audibly after vaping all day. I noticed my breathing was back to normal after leaving my house to go to work. Changed everything in my daily routine to try to pin point the problem. Finally said f*** it and went to the doctor. Turns out I have allergic asthma to my cats and a long acting inhaler was all I needed.
 

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@Doctorvapes - Besides the suggestions already mentioned, you could try vaping without inhaling the vapor into your lungs. There is slowly getting to be more of us who vape this way. Because nicotine in vapor is more readily absorbed by the cheek linings, nasal passages, and sinus cavities...we still get our "nic fix" without bringing the vapor down to our lungs. Most of us just bring it into our mouth, hold it there a second or 2, then exhale it through our nose and/or mouth.

It's worked for me since I started vaping in Nov. 2013, and I smoked 1 - 1.5 packs a day for 42+ years. All those years while smoking, I did inhale. Was diagnosed with beginning stages of COPD (emphysema) about 8-10 years before finally quitting. Within 1.5 years of switching to vaping and not inhaling into my lungs...my tests showed my lungs are clear, and my spirometer results shocked my doctor...because they showed my breathing was better than most people who never smoked.

For some people it takes a bit of practice and patience to switch to vaping without MTL or DTL inhaling the vapor as they're used to, but it's something you might consider trying. :)
 
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I second that, you don't have to inhale the vape to get the nicotine...
when I first started vaping I couldn't inhale at all due to my asthma, now 5 years later I can and I do direct lung hits now but even still I can only do so many dl's before it starts to upset me
and yes while vaping isn't 100% safe it is much much better than smoking, my lungs have never been healthier in my entire life, grew up around smokers and of course I smoked...second hand smoke would literally kill me into an all out asthma attack.... now as long as I'm in a well ventilated room it isn't so bad but I can't stand the smell of smoke now

and yes pg is known to cause issues, I can't vape anything under 70% vg without coughing up my lungs
but yes the idea is reduce and quit smoking and then eventually quit vaping, however I rather enjoy vaping and the benefits of low nicotine has to offer as my family history suffers from dementia and alzheimer's
 
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