Impending fda regulations!!!!!

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Anyone who hasn't yet filled out a comment on
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please do so now, come on guys we don't have nowhere near the comments we should for the FDA I don't know about any of you but I sure as hell don't want to loose my mods and a lot of the really good e liquids out there so please make your opinions heard. There's tons of giveaways even if you want to enter in some of them why not it only takes maybe 15 to 20 minutes to make a good comment.
 
I did watch the video I had a few submitted before I even watched the video I submitted a third through regulations.gov, but I did not enter the contest. The reason I didn't enter his contest is because I already entered into riptrippers contest and I didn't want to be greedy, plus I'd rather see someone go and do it and win than me whose already done it.
Sorry I'm sure this has been posted many times on ecf I just felt I'd try to keep people's mind on it and remind anyone who hasn't to please do so. I truly don't want to loose vaping or the community, even if some don't care if I can vape, I still care about everyone being able to stay off the icky stickies this way.
 

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...I don't know about any of you but I sure as hell don't want to loose my mods and a lot of the really good e liquids ...

The FDA isn't coming for your MODs, or your e-liquids. What you have you can keep.

However getting new MODs and e-liquids is expected to become a bit of a chore should the FDA gain regulatory power over the industry.

I've done my part by the way, even though I do not maintain high hopes that our efforts are doing much. Sorry for being the negative nelly.

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    The FDA isn't coming for your MODs, or your e-liquids. What you have you can keep.

    However getting new MODs and e-liquids is expected to become a bit of a chore should the FDA gain regulatory power over the industry.

    I've done my part by the way, even though I do not maintain high hopes that our efforts are doing much. Sorry for being the negative nelly.

    Maurice

    Oh but they actually will do a lot. They will all be a matter of public record when we take the FDA to court.
     

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    Oh but they actually will do a lot. They will all be a matter of public record when we take the FDA to court.

    Having watched our court system over the years I don't exactly have the highest level of faith in the system when it comes to serving the "desires" of the individual.

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    This smacks of prohibition to me. All of us Vapers sneaking into back-alley speak-easys to indulge in our secret obsession.
    Even though I'm making light of the situation, I'm seriously worried. :( Seriously.

    I'm not sure prohibition is the exact word I'd use, mainly because it is fairly easy to make alcohol at home, if they banned alcohol again I'd worry less than I am about vaping.

    Maurice
     

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    Having watched our court system over the years I don't exactly have the highest level of faith in the system when it comes to serving the "desires" of the individual.

    Maurice

    Ah, but the Letter of the Law is what the Court systems follow. If the FDA does not follow proper procedure or if they overstep their authority, then the Courts can come to our aid. The courts made it possible that we are still here today. If the FDA had their way back in 2009, we wouldn't be on this forum nor enjoying the things we are using today.
     

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    Unless they make organic cotton, kanthal wire, pg, vg and nicotine illegal to purchase this could become very much like the prohibition of alcohol in the 1920's minus the organized crime element. People will all turn to DIY similar to making bathtub gin. For the sake of all of the small businesses that make e-juice and the B&M shops I hope my comments and others keep this from happening,
     

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    Ah, but the Letter of the Law is what the Court systems follow. If the FDA does not follow proper procedure or if they overstep their authority, then the Courts can come to our aid. The courts made it possible that we are still here today. If the FDA had their way back in 2009, we wouldn't be on this forum nor enjoying the things we are using today.

    That's the problem right now there is no law to follow; or is there?

    We have no intrinsic right to vape, we can at this point simply because it is not heavily regulated by law.

    I have worries about laws not being enforced by the courts, however my statement stands as it was authored "I don't exactly have the highest level of faith in the system when it comes to serving the "desires" of the individual".

    As for procedure, there is no law saying they can't get a do over if they don't follow proper procedure the first time.

    Speaking of authority, particular attention going toward pg 2-5 to 2-9 details the FDA's authority as it stands now.

    http://www.fda.gov/downloads/ICECI/ComplianceManuals/RegulatoryProceduresManual/UCM074340.pdf

    Of particular interest is this
    1. Section 201 (Definitions) – Amended to define “tobacco products.” Section 201(rr),
    subparagraph (1) states: The term ‘tobacco product’ means any product made or
    derived from tobacco that is intended for human consumption
    , including any
    component, part, or accessory of a tobacco product (except for raw materials other than
    tobacco used in manufacturing a component, part, or accessory of a tobacco product).

    We are lucky as is to have what we have.

    This
    (except for raw materials other than
    tobacco used in manufacturing a component, part, or accessory of a tobacco product)

    Is a saving grace argument for rebuildable type supplies and such raw materials, but not the devices we use or the liquids containing nicotine.

    The FDA has the authority to regulate this industry, they are missing the regulations and procedures used to deal with our slice of the pie.

    We lucked out in that their first attempt was to regulate vaping under the medical aspect of their authority, we fought it and won. No doubt that was a correct call on the court.

    Being the government they are slow, but methodical and not exactly transparent, now we face a set of regulations that while fitting the letter of the law do not sit well with the vaping public. This is where the courts can do nothing for us, so long as the actions taken by the FDA remain legal, procedural, and within their scope of authority we will see a dramatic change in how the industry moves forward.

    I've said this in the past and I'll mention it again here to lighten the mood a bit, someone hand the president a mod, this administration has shown a clear propensity to make stuff happen that nobody imagined would ever happen. My guess is if Obama vapes we are good to go for a long while.

    Maurice
     
    I'm just hoping for the best honestly and they don't completely destroy the community at all, or try to take vaping away from anyone. To me it's very important it has become a much bigger part of my life than I ever expected and it's truly kept me away from smoking and the only way it will stay that way if the market has some freedom. I don't really know what's going to happen, but I really don't wanna see the smaller vendors go out of business because of this and I agree it will become like alcohol during the prohibition, everyone will turn to diy liquid and mods.
     
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