IMPORTANT - email from FDA to a supplier.
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I've got ~1 years worth of stuff stockpiled!! Hope this all shakes out by then... 8-o
Would the poll on the RoyalSmokers electronic cigarette factory in Shenzhen home page be the start of something like this, albeit in the UK?
I don't know how long that poll's been there. Needless to say, the 73 results so far show a majority for it being outside China. By "local University", do they mean a Chinese or British one? I'm assuming a British one.
But why a liquid without PG?
No idea. I e-smoke for health reasons and choose the propylene glycol mix on purpose, after the revelation that it's a germ-killing vapor that likely is a benefit, not a health threat. No PG? Never. If a mix doesn't have PG, I'm not interested.
I had head that SmokingEverywhere was opening a booth in the Mall of America. Has this happend yet? or has it been halted?
SE currently has the most visible presence in the USA. They are making a killing selling a $30 dollar item for 150-200. It would be foolish for them not to fight tooth and nail to keep e-cigs, or at least their e-cigs legal.
SE currently has the most visible presence in the USA. They are making a killing selling a $30 dollar item for 150-200. It would be foolish for them not to fight tooth and nail to keep e-cigs, or at least their e-cigs legal.
I was stocking up on parts and juice, but then I read some very good posts from other people who had a great point. Their point was, DON'T FREAK OUT, even if they ban it here in the US, you will still be able to order stuff from China in small amounts and as long as the company doesn't label it "ELECTRONIC CIGARETTES" more often than not, the shipments will come through... Maybe I am being overly optomistic, but it's the only thing that keeps me from emptying out my bank account on every bottle and part I can find....
I think that the only thing they are really latching onto is the fact that the vaporizer itself looks like and resembles a cigarette. I dont see they have a leg to stand on other wise. You can buy personal vaporizers that dont look like a cigarette but are small and compact. You can buy liquid herbal extracts to smoke in your personal vaporizer. So its not like they are actually going to stop anything except people using vaporizers that look like cigarettes. Its not illegal to vaporize herbs and inhale the vapor.
It sounds like to me, you need to eradicate 'electronic cigarette' from every aspect of the marketing.
Ludo from Janty provided many examples of 'smoke producing' devices approved and used by children. If he gets tagged he does intent to fight this. I don't know if you have noticed but Janty has switched all of it's packaging to say 'personal vaporizor'.
Do not make healthclaims, back away from the ecig moniker and it should work.
Ludo from Janty provided many examples of 'smoke producing' devices approved and used by children. If he gets tagged he does intent to fight this. I don't know if you have noticed but Janty has switched all of it's packaging to say 'personal vaporizor'.
Do not make healthclaims, back away from the ecig moniker and it should work.
Yes - and if you look at Janty's planned products, none of them really resemble a cigarette anymore. The new Dura C with the manual switch has no light at all on it.
What really seems the most ridiculous to me in that FDA letter is the line that says:
"And, like the conventional tobacco products, they are intended primarily for the delivery of volatilized chemical substances to affect the body's structures and functions and/or to mitigate or treat the symptoms of nicotine addiction through a chemical or metabolic action on the body."
Ok...so let me get this straight? E-cigs are considered a new drug that must go through a drug approval process and be proven safe prior to being marketed because, like conventional tobacco products, they are intended primarily for the delivery of volatilized chemical substances to affect the body's structures and functions and/or to mitigate or treat the symptoms of nicotine addiction through a chemical or metabolic action on the body.
(that's funny, I don't remember conventional tobacco products being proven safe through any drug approval process...do you?)
"And, like the conventional tobacco products, they are intended primarily for the delivery of volatilized chemical substances to affect the body's structures and functions and/or to mitigate or treat the symptoms of nicotine addiction through a chemical or metabolic action on the body."
Ok...so let me get this straight? E-cigs are considered a new drug that must go through a drug approval process and be proven safe prior to being marketed because, like conventional tobacco products, they are intended primarily for the delivery of volatilized chemical substances to affect the body's structures and functions and/or to mitigate or treat the symptoms of nicotine addiction through a chemical or metabolic action on the body.
(that's funny, I don't remember conventional tobacco products being proven safe through any drug approval process...do you?)
Drew: I'd like to know what those are called and where to get them. Healthfood/Homeopathic type places?
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I've been preaching on here for weeks that all of us, but especially suppliers, need to STOP using the term electronic cigarette and switch to electronic vaporizer because that is what it is. And linking the device to cigarettes is just plain dumb if there is any hope of ever changing perceptions.
Ummm, what bugs me most is that the consumers and shops are worried about this, but not a word from our trusted manufacturers. Go figure.
What has happened to free America? Now the FDA gets to decide that nicotine addiction is a disease? Huh? Does that mean that I have a disease? I think I have another disease too. I am addicted to coffee. Crazy.
Also, I don't believe the statement, "no shipment they've discovered has been cleared to delivery", is true. I have heard from other suppliers who had shipments stopped and released.
Sending the FDA questions and complaints/rationalizations will accomplish nothing. They are doing what they feel is their job, and they have already been burned over and over in the media for not doing enough to protect public safety. Do you honestly think they will do anything but err on the side of caution (cover your ...) when it comes to a new product from China?
If there is any fight left, it has to be waged with politicians and the public — two areas where we've made inroads already. These are the fronts to explore. More information in local media outlets, GROUP (large) public demonstrations, personal letters to state and federal representatives.
I can see the value of bringing production out of China, but if that happens before the product is approved it will only be a matter of time before it's shut down. It may be easier to ship juice made in the USA to somewhere in the USA, but it won't be any more legal.
If there is any fight left, it has to be waged with politicians and the public — two areas where we've made inroads already. These are the fronts to explore. More information in local media outlets, GROUP (large) public demonstrations, personal letters to state and federal representatives.
I can see the value of bringing production out of China, but if that happens before the product is approved it will only be a matter of time before it's shut down. It may be easier to ship juice made in the USA to somewhere in the USA, but it won't be any more legal.
With the "waterpipe" remarks, under Federal Drug Paraphenlia Laws, ALL non-wood, non-corncob, non "traditional" pipes, or ANY pipe with a carb hole is illegal and considered paraphenelia, as well as the rose stems. Amazing that those shops exists everywhere, and the only raid I read in recent times was in west pa and Cheech. In my neighborhood in Bmore, there was 4 of those shops alone and plenty of gas stations sold the "rose stems", while at the same time complaining about the neighborhood. Crazy huh.
Drew: I'd like to know what those are called and where to get them. Healthfood/Homeopathic type places?
Look for herbal extract smoking liquids on google. There are different types. As for personal vaporizers you can google that too.
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Ruyan (which retains an FDA drug law attorney) continues assuring me that their products are not in violation of FDA drug law (as they aren't making any health claims).
I'm not an attorney, but it appears that product claims have been instrumental in previous FDA determinations that the "intent" of nicotine products were drugs.
It appeared to me that the letter from FDA was intended to dissuade a potential e-cigarette entreprenuer from setting up shop in the US. Regardless, Ruyan hasn't received a cease-and-desist letter from the FDA, and apparently neither have many other e-cigarette marketers in the US.
Back in 2002/2003 CTFK/ACS/AHA/ALA and GSK petitioned the FDA to ban nicotine water, skin cream and lozenge products (which the FDA banned, but I'm not sure of specific reason FDA cited in banning them) as well as two smokefree tobacco lozenges (Star Ariva and Stonewall) because they are nearly identical to GSK's Commit lozenges.
While the FDA rejected the latter petition (citing a lack of authority to regulate tobacco products) these so-called groups have a track record of advocating bans on the least hazardous tobacco/nicotine products (while keeping deadly cigarettes on the market)
BTW, nicotine water products are now back on the market (as homeopathic remedies).
Per previous inquiry, the National Cancer Institute (NCI) is a federal government agency, while the American Cancer Society (ACS) is a private non profit organization.
The Waxman FDA tobacco legislation (negotiated by Philip Morris and CTFK in 2003/04)would ban all new and recently introduced smokefree tobacco products (i.e. Camel Snus, Orbs, Strips and Sticks, Marlboro Snus and Moist Smokeless Tobacco), while allowing cigarettes to be sold at hundreds of thousands of retailer stores.
I'm not an attorney, but it appears that product claims have been instrumental in previous FDA determinations that the "intent" of nicotine products were drugs.
It appeared to me that the letter from FDA was intended to dissuade a potential e-cigarette entreprenuer from setting up shop in the US. Regardless, Ruyan hasn't received a cease-and-desist letter from the FDA, and apparently neither have many other e-cigarette marketers in the US.
Back in 2002/2003 CTFK/ACS/AHA/ALA and GSK petitioned the FDA to ban nicotine water, skin cream and lozenge products (which the FDA banned, but I'm not sure of specific reason FDA cited in banning them) as well as two smokefree tobacco lozenges (Star Ariva and Stonewall) because they are nearly identical to GSK's Commit lozenges.
While the FDA rejected the latter petition (citing a lack of authority to regulate tobacco products) these so-called groups have a track record of advocating bans on the least hazardous tobacco/nicotine products (while keeping deadly cigarettes on the market)
BTW, nicotine water products are now back on the market (as homeopathic remedies).
Per previous inquiry, the National Cancer Institute (NCI) is a federal government agency, while the American Cancer Society (ACS) is a private non profit organization.
The Waxman FDA tobacco legislation (negotiated by Philip Morris and CTFK in 2003/04)would ban all new and recently introduced smokefree tobacco products (i.e. Camel Snus, Orbs, Strips and Sticks, Marlboro Snus and Moist Smokeless Tobacco), while allowing cigarettes to be sold at hundreds of thousands of retailer stores.
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