You make some good points here yvilla. I don't think the members here should be fretting either, especially not for the use of the ecig. Perhaps the FDA will try and make an example out of one of the huge distributors soon and block large imports, but there will always be suppliers willing to take the risk to market and import after a ban. Controlled substances like phentermine, xanex, adderall, steroids, etc are still illegally sold in volume through all sorts of ways so to think these are going away completely anytime soon is a bit far fetched.
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You make some good points here yvilla. I don't think the members here should be fretting either, especially not for the use of the ecig. Perhaps the FDA will try and make an example out of one of the huge distributors soon and block large imports, but there will always be suppliers willing to take the risk to market and import after a ban. Controlled substances like phentermine, xanex, adderall, steroids, etc are still illegally sold in volume through all sorts of ways so to think these are going away completely anytime soon is a bit far fetched.
Simple solution... sell the E cig as a Novelty with no Nicotine....
Of course you still gotta figure out what to do about the juice.
Of course you still gotta figure out what to do about the juice.
Actually, I agree with what Pillbox38 said, "I also Claim that my cigarettes are a Healthier way to consume nicotine than from a Tobacco based cigarette. I see no issues here with Venuvious naming his business to reflect this obvious point.
FYI on all my boxes its says "A new generation of healthier smoking" and for sure it is
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I agree. People are way too fearful of this. If you notice my page on Healthy-Liquid, there is a very good explanation of the term Healthy and how it applies to this product:
NEW Healthy-Liquid
Also, I am in the process of carrying an entire line of Non-Nictotine products.
I have one right now, and it seems to be doing quite well, actually.
Actually, I agree with what Pillbox38 said, "I also Claim that my cigarettes are a Healthier way to consume nicotine than from a Tobacco based cigarette. I see no issues here with Venuvious naming his business to reflect this obvious point.
FYI on all my boxes its says "A new generation of healthier smoking" and for sure it is
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http://totallywicked-eliquid.co.uk
I agree. People are way too fearful of this. If you notice my page on Healthy-Liquid, there is a very good explanation of the term Healthy and how it applies to this product:
NEW Healthy-Liquid
Also, I am in the process of carrying an entire line of Non-Nictotine products.
I have one right now, and it seems to be doing quite well, actually.
Which means more, the name of your business, or you keeping your business? I know which one I would choose, but it is not my business that faces being shut down by the FDA (possibly just because of the name, and what it represents). Just my opinion, that's all.
This is what I wrote to the FDA
I think it would be good to study if there are any harmful effects from inhaling substances from E-Cigarette's, but not Ban Them unless tobacco and liquor was Banned also.
Common Sense will tell you tobacco laced with 599 additives approved by the US Government for use in the manufacture of cigarettes would be far more harmful than inhaling Vegetable Oil Glycerin. Not sure if you know; glycerin (main ingredient) in the e-cig is used in some medicine inhalers.
Large Tobacco companies must Still have a very Load Voice in Washington Politics. As you can see Tobacco Cigarette's were never Banned even though they are very harmful to the people's health. Sometimes I think the e-cig is a threat to the Big Tobacco Industry and also the Billions in Tax Revenue. Did you ever wonder why Liquor is not banned or taxed like cigarette's? Even though liquor is known to destroy families and the health of people, it's still not taxed like tobacco...I wonder why?...Maybe it's because the people that make the No Smoking Law's who do not smoke, do Drink liquor?
It would be Great to get a straight honest answer from the FDA on some of my questions.
I think it would be good to study if there are any harmful effects from inhaling substances from E-Cigarette's, but not Ban Them unless tobacco and liquor was Banned also.
Common Sense will tell you tobacco laced with 599 additives approved by the US Government for use in the manufacture of cigarettes would be far more harmful than inhaling Vegetable Oil Glycerin. Not sure if you know; glycerin (main ingredient) in the e-cig is used in some medicine inhalers.
Large Tobacco companies must Still have a very Load Voice in Washington Politics. As you can see Tobacco Cigarette's were never Banned even though they are very harmful to the people's health. Sometimes I think the e-cig is a threat to the Big Tobacco Industry and also the Billions in Tax Revenue. Did you ever wonder why Liquor is not banned or taxed like cigarette's? Even though liquor is known to destroy families and the health of people, it's still not taxed like tobacco...I wonder why?...Maybe it's because the people that make the No Smoking Law's who do not smoke, do Drink liquor?
It would be Great to get a straight honest answer from the FDA on some of my questions.
Well put
!! I think not only will they miss their CASH crop for the obvious tax benefits but imagine the trickle down effect it could potentially have on the economy. If we no longer buy analogs the cigarette companys will shut up shop I really hope that happens, but in that event 1000's more jobs will be lost. With over 400,000 deaths per year due to smoking the medical field will take a hit as well, surgeries removing tumors, chemo, etc... To tell you the truth spending one extra day with my loved ones is all that matters to me and the pros most certainly outweigh the cons... Sign the petition if you haven't already!!-Erik
I just got this:
There have been significant developments in America regarding the electronic cigarette. The FDA is now preventing imports of the e-cigarette into America, while a new bill is set to give official approval to cigarettes. In a letter to Senator Lautenberg Dr Joel Nitzkin lamented this decision, arguing that:
"As best we can tell, on the basis of currently available research data, these products [E-cigarettes and other alternatives] promise a risk of illness and death well under 1% of
the risk posed by cigarettes."
David Sweanor, who has advised the WHO on tobacco control, had similar views. In an interview with us he argued:
"If there is anyone who believes cigarettes are no more hazardous than e-cigarettes I'd recommend a remedial course in basic sciences."
I believe it's all over but the shouting. No big deal, this whole thing was too good to be true.
There have been significant developments in America regarding the electronic cigarette. The FDA is now preventing imports of the e-cigarette into America, while a new bill is set to give official approval to cigarettes. In a letter to Senator Lautenberg Dr Joel Nitzkin lamented this decision, arguing that:
"As best we can tell, on the basis of currently available research data, these products [E-cigarettes and other alternatives] promise a risk of illness and death well under 1% of
the risk posed by cigarettes."
David Sweanor, who has advised the WHO on tobacco control, had similar views. In an interview with us he argued:
"If there is anyone who believes cigarettes are no more hazardous than e-cigarettes I'd recommend a remedial course in basic sciences."
I believe it's all over but the shouting. No big deal, this whole thing was too good to be true.
Doubtful. IMO it's a mistake to think that PVs are some sort of fad which can be easily shut down and regulated into obscurity. There are far, far too many tobacco smokers who want to switch to something less unhealthy and they will find a way to keep using PVs.
Prohibitionists seem to think that PVs can be treated like CB radios were in the UK (first banned, then allowed as long as they were useless). I think the situation is more akin to the start of the Internet - and we all know how successful attempts to control that have been.
BTW, what's the source of the letter you quoted? Apologies if you already said up-thread and I missed it.
On this forum, I'm not trustworthy enough to add links, therefore I can't give you the source (I'm sure someone else will post it). Everyone has rules and we all have to deal with them. In the U.S. we have a process for making change, that is the only thing that can be done. Write your public officials to start the process.
The real problem, in my mind, are those merchants trying to earn an honest living selling these products.
There is no use wringing our hands and complaining. It is what it is. All of us do have options: We can go back to tobacco, thank God I didn't give away all my cigars and now I can get them from Cuba (talking about change).
The real problem, in my mind, are those merchants trying to earn an honest living selling these products.
There is no use wringing our hands and complaining. It is what it is. All of us do have options: We can go back to tobacco, thank God I didn't give away all my cigars and now I can get them from Cuba (talking about change).
I'm a newer member and I have been floating around for about a month I'll just post my 2 cents
yes i am a vaper
I am currently working with a few companies on a national level to give PVs legal status where with or without the nicotine the devices are sold solely as a novelty item and designed for personal use only ( per packaging reqs.) now the thing is that the novelty item factor would slowly allow the PV to enter the public consciousness as a item which has no medical claims to it. If someone gets some kind of medical benefit from it that's their thing. We are also attempting to produce our own version of the PV
here in the states for resale in other countries and I will update when / if that happens.Untill that time a Lawyer friend of mine is telling me that its a good idea to create a form of lobbyist group to the senate and congress to show the potential of these devices rather than allow them to think that these devices are "bad" and " could get in the hands of children".
anyway that my 2 cents for now
Wood
yes i am a vaper
I am currently working with a few companies on a national level to give PVs legal status where with or without the nicotine the devices are sold solely as a novelty item and designed for personal use only ( per packaging reqs.) now the thing is that the novelty item factor would slowly allow the PV to enter the public consciousness as a item which has no medical claims to it. If someone gets some kind of medical benefit from it that's their thing. We are also attempting to produce our own version of the PV
here in the states for resale in other countries and I will update when / if that happens.Untill that time a Lawyer friend of mine is telling me that its a good idea to create a form of lobbyist group to the senate and congress to show the potential of these devices rather than allow them to think that these devices are "bad" and " could get in the hands of children".
anyway that my 2 cents for now
Wood
Hey Earthworm Jim,
Just wanted to make sure you knew that SmokeStiks, although they are regular RN-4081 models, are more pricey than the PeeWee because of the 1-year warranty. The peewee has a 15-day warranty, which is basically a DOA guarantee. So you are on your own as far as spares go.
I've gone through two atomizers with my SmokeStik so far in just over 10 weeks of heavy use, so the extra cost has already been recouped. The RN-4081 is a great little super-mini, but the reliability of the parts is still not quite there yet (as with many other models).
Just to be clear, SmokeStik is the brand I sell - and use - up here in Seattle.
Cheers,
-Jerimiah
Just wanted to make sure you knew that SmokeStiks, although they are regular RN-4081 models, are more pricey than the PeeWee because of the 1-year warranty. The peewee has a 15-day warranty, which is basically a DOA guarantee. So you are on your own as far as spares go.
I've gone through two atomizers with my SmokeStik so far in just over 10 weeks of heavy use, so the extra cost has already been recouped. The RN-4081 is a great little super-mini, but the reliability of the parts is still not quite there yet (as with many other models).
Just to be clear, SmokeStik is the brand I sell - and use - up here in Seattle.
Cheers,
-Jerimiah
Sounds like we had better stock up while we can. Set up an underground supply route. Move products under cover of darkness. Wow, at 63 I have at last become part of the 'sub culture!
You are absolutely right, Coconutmon! We need to stick together in this. A black market for PV's needs a network, a web. I don't want anyone to do without, just like I don't want to do without, ban or no ban. We need to figure out a way to help each other through the dark days that are about to come.
Should we start our own email support group to:
OFFICE OF THE COMMISSIONER
COMMISSIONER OF FOOD AND DRUGS
Frank Torti, M.D., M.P.H. (Acting)
Food and Drug Administration
5600 Fishers Lane
Rockville, Maryland 20857
1-888-INFO-FDA (1-888-463-6332)
I'm not allowed to post web address
OFFICE OF THE COMMISSIONER
COMMISSIONER OF FOOD AND DRUGS
Frank Torti, M.D., M.P.H. (Acting)
Food and Drug Administration
5600 Fishers Lane
Rockville, Maryland 20857
1-888-INFO-FDA (1-888-463-6332)
I'm not allowed to post web address
I also heard somewhere that this well intention Senator also has received significant campaign contributions from Big Pharma to the tune of $128250. If you google "Senator Lautenberg e-cigarettes campaign contributions" there are many hits. I think we should prove the actual amount and then scream it from the roof tops.
I am not sure if any of you have thought about it or not, but I have an idea. Why don't we start The Church Of True Fog. Part of our worship can be the partaking of the vapor stick. The FDA has no regulation on freedom of religion. If they try to stop us we will have a very strong leg to stand on. Seems to me in these economic times the only people making money are politicians, bankers, c.e.o.s', and churches. I would gladly start the Church Of Truth In Fog if anyone would be interested.
I too have been saying that! Wait..... maybe just thinking it
. In any event... Personal Vaporizer is what I would go with if I were going to sell these.My best,
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