http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/27/b...le.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&partner=rss&emc=rss
Focused on njoy and BLu, but quite balanced.
Focused on njoy and BLu, but quite balanced.
In depth NY Times article 10-26-13
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I find it very interesting that both the NPR and the NYT pieces talk only about (and interview) BT executives... They seem to be getting the only positive mentions--nobody else. I wonder if that's the sign of things to come. It makes me nervous, frankly, that unholy alliance of the FDA, BT and mainstream media. 
They are pretty bad. I tried both--the Blu and the eNjoy disposables; the eNjoys are marginally better, but I wouldn't vape them. Their prices are totally ridiculous. And the eNjoys come in 36 or 45 mg/ml. How are they allowed to do that? Most juice vendors stop at 36 mg/ml as it's considered very high strength.
There's no laws against 45 mg.ml ... NJOY Kings obviously appeal to heavy smokers.
I was smoking 2-3 packs a day before I found ecigs.
I started out at 36 mg/ml ... however, I asked my vendor if they had higher nic levels
and they said ... "many have asked for higher than 36 mg/ml"
We don't want Mommie FDA telling us 45 mg/ml will not be allowed
anymore than they telling us 9 mg/ml is the max nic level.
From the article:
"There is no data to validate that concern, just as there is little data on cessation. Surveys suggest that e-cigarette users are quitting or cutting down on cigarettes. But one scientific study, published in September in The Lancet, a British medical journal, found that six months into smoking e-cigarettes, 7.3 percent of users had quit smoking tobacco. That was the statistical equivalent to the modestly effective patch (a quit rate of 5.8 percent).
“We were hoping for the magic bullet,” said Natalie Walker, director of addiction research at the National Institute for Health Innovation in New Zealand, and one of the study’s authors. “We were surprised by the low quit rate.” Still, she says she thinks e-cigarettes have potential as “another tool” and notes that they have a crucial advantage over other nicotine replacement strategies: “E-cigs have a large and dedicated fan club.”
And just what were the type of 'products' used in this study ??
Anyone like to hazard a guess ?
"There is no data to validate that concern, just as there is little data on cessation. Surveys suggest that e-cigarette users are quitting or cutting down on cigarettes. But one scientific study, published in September in The Lancet, a British medical journal, found that six months into smoking e-cigarettes, 7.3 percent of users had quit smoking tobacco. That was the statistical equivalent to the modestly effective patch (a quit rate of 5.8 percent).
“We were hoping for the magic bullet,” said Natalie Walker, director of addiction research at the National Institute for Health Innovation in New Zealand, and one of the study’s authors. “We were surprised by the low quit rate.” Still, she says she thinks e-cigarettes have potential as “another tool” and notes that they have a crucial advantage over other nicotine replacement strategies: “E-cigs have a large and dedicated fan club.”
And just what were the type of 'products' used in this study ??
Anyone like to hazard a guess ?
Petrodus, really! I didn't ask for a ban of the 45 mg/ml, did I? 
Maybe I used an incorrect phrase; I should have said, instead, why doesn't FDA object to nJoy offering such high strengths if they are so worried about our well-being and the children?
But I'm still surprised. They are the only manufacturer that offers disposables at that strength and does not offer anything lower than 36--which is way too high for me, for instance, (and for most vapers); always has been, always will be. I started at 12, went up to 18, couldn't tolerate 24 at all. I took a few puffs from the eNjoy 36 and got dizzy. Every other e-cig on the market comes with cartridges ranging from 6-24 mg/ml. A few offer 36 mg/ml.
I didn't ask for a ban of the 45 mg/ml, did I? Maybe I used an incorrect phrase; I should have said, instead, why doesn't FDA object to nJoy offering such high strengths if they are so worried about our well-being and the children? But I'm still surprised. They are the only manufacturer that offers disposables at that strength and does not offer anything lower than 36--which is way too high for me, for instance, (and for most vapers); always has been, always will be. I started at 12, went up to 18, couldn't tolerate 24 at all. I took a few puffs from the eNjoy 36 and got dizzy. Every other e-cig on the market comes with cartridges ranging from 6-24 mg/ml. A few offer 36 mg/ml.
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It's disheartening when i realize that even the best of the mainstream articles still throw us under the bus.
i like flavors, i use very low nicotine, and I don't want an e-cig that looks and acts like a regular cig.
i like flavors, i use very low nicotine, and I don't want an e-cig that looks and acts like a regular cig.
"“Smokers talk about a ‘throat hit,’ ” Mr. Weiss explained as he sipped a strawberry wine cooler over pizza, referring to a tickle or slight burn at the back of the throat, a part of the overall Pavlovian experience that comes before the nicotine rush. It’s something, he said, that the company’s products are becoming better at imitating, along with changing the chemistry inside the e-cigarette so that nicotine is absorbed more quickly by the body, more like the real thing. But it is not there yet. "
Maybe I am interpreting this wrong, but when I read this I immediately thought of them placing unnecessary, harmful, chemicals into the E-Juice to make it more 'effective'.
Maybe I am interpreting this wrong, but when I read this I immediately thought of them placing unnecessary, harmful, chemicals into the E-Juice to make it more 'effective'.
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Combined two threads if that's ok with the OP for this one....
The timing of the threads worked out perfectly and all the same discussion...
Carry-on
Uno
Combined two threads if that's ok with the OP for this one....
The timing of the threads worked out perfectly and all the same discussion...
Carry-on
Uno
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There is no doubt big tobacco will add what ever they deem necceasry to get you even more addicted. Their track record speaks for itself. Who in their right mind would ever believe a serial killer if he said " Aw, shucks, Im sorry...wont happen again".
Whether or not these "chemistry-changing" ingredients are harmful, they would indeed be unnecessary, and that's why I for one will not -- ever -- try an NJOY.
I figured BT would start this crap and didn't figure they'd do it too soon or out in the open.
Live and learn.
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NJOY isn't content with having consumers of their product, apparently they seek a base of more hard core addicts to rely on.
If they're even contemplating doing this, their name is mud in my world. This offends me more than the crap the ANTZ are pulling.
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Thanks for highlighting that, I might have missed it otherwise.
I figured BT would start this crap and didn't figure they'd do it too soon or out in the open.
Live and learn.
Freebase nicotine - SourceWatch
NJOY isn't content with having consumers of their product, apparently they seek a base of more hard core addicts to rely on.
If they're even contemplating doing this, their name is mud in my world. This offends me more than the crap the ANTZ are pulling.
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Thanks for highlighting that, I might have missed it otherwise.
Holy crap! There is no way I want regulation or any part of a regulated product!
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