The whole thing is screwy because there are so many ways to work around it. I've got a plan B and C, so I'll still be ordering juice from out of state from a vendor that won't be selling to Indiana lol!
Indiana HB 1432 signed into law and takes effect July 1st, 2015
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technically they are not regulating per say.
they are requiring licensing and there are requirements attached
to the licensing provisions. its not an outright ban. the same
thing was done to handle tobacco sales. many states require
licensing for many things. out of state contractors for instance.
you meet the requirements and your good to go.not many out of
state vendors can afford it. its not the cost of the license,its
the cost of the requirements to comply with the license.
its very easy to stop internet sales. every package shipped
by UPS,Fedex and, the USPS has the company's 9 digit zip
code on it. those last 4 digits in fact identify the the actual
location the parcel was shipped from.
i am sure there is a list of locations cross referenced to
whom is doing business from that location. the Patriot
Act and all that.
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mike
One more reason I'm glad I'm a Texan. Our governor refused to sign a texting/driving ban a lil while back saying the government was already too intrusive in our lives and he didn't want to add to the bureaucracy any further.
As unlikely as it seems, there a a few of them here in Lone Star Land that do that once in a while. That's why so many businesses are moving here. Just this year ere in Dallas we got State Farm, Toyota, & Liberty Mutual's corporate hq's. The company I work for is doing the electrical work for all of them. When big companies like that spend 100's of millions of $'s to relocate, there's always a political reason. (i.e. taxes, regulations, etc.)
Well the governor DID sign a vape bill that pretty much treats vape products like cigarettes. I don't think enough of us hounded them to get them to reconsider, although this bill was a bit easier to swallow than some of the draconian ones being passed in other states (Indiana - wow!)
This bill in TX mostly focused on age requirements and won't have much effect on B&Ms. It remains to be seen how it will affect mail order, which is how I buy most of my stuff. The worst of it that I know about (the bill is kinda hard to understand) is that it requires age verification when you order, and an adult must sign for the delivery. This means that deliveries while I am at work (ALL of my deliveries, unless I'm home sick!) will stop. I will have to go to the post office to pick up my deliveries. That blows...
That said, one of the best things I can say about Texas is -- no income tax!!
This bill in TX mostly focused on age requirements and won't have much effect on B&Ms. It remains to be seen how it will affect mail order, which is how I buy most of my stuff. The worst of it that I know about (the bill is kinda hard to understand) is that it requires age verification when you order, and an adult must sign for the delivery. This means that deliveries while I am at work (ALL of my deliveries, unless I'm home sick!) will stop. I will have to go to the post office to pick up my deliveries. That blows...
That said, one of the best things I can say about Texas is -- no income tax!!
Can you have your vape mail delivered to yur job
AMEN!!! Uncle Sam gets right at 20% of what I make already and doesn't give it back at the end of the year.
So it looks like the online ordering deadline will be this July 2015 but will not be enforced until July 2016. I saw this in the bill but wasn't sure I was reading it correctly, chapter 5 section 1(c). Hoosier verified in an update he posted this morning in the Hoosier Vapers sub forum along with some info on the coming lawsuit. So now we get to see if vendors will go ahead and sell to us for the next year because this is all probably confusing for them.
Trying to edit my boo boo above is proving frustrating with the filters,
so this is what I said:
Yeah. It's actually easier now than ever before. And the midwestern
states have a history from tobacco sales. Now whether they enforce
it or not I have no idea.
so this is what I said:
Yeah. It's actually easier now than ever before. And the midwestern
states have a history from tobacco sales. Now whether they enforce
it or not I have no idea.
May just be me but that law seems justified.
1. It targets the manufacturing/bottling of eliquids for sale and will result in non unauthorized chemicals (no diacetyl and the like i presume).
2. Doesn't target DIY unless you are selling the liquid for profit.
3. Any distribution of any products has rules and health codes to follow, i see no reason we should be special in this area.
If they had it to where you couldn't buy any flavors besides menthol or tobacco then that would be an issue.
I guess the only thing i dislike about the bill is it lumps eliquid together be it 0mg nicotine or 36mg nicotine by requiring the permit go through the Alcohol and tobacco commission.
1. It targets the manufacturing/bottling of eliquids for sale and will result in non unauthorized chemicals (no diacetyl and the like i presume).
2. Doesn't target DIY unless you are selling the liquid for profit.
3. Any distribution of any products has rules and health codes to follow, i see no reason we should be special in this area.
If they had it to where you couldn't buy any flavors besides menthol or tobacco then that would be an issue.
I guess the only thing i dislike about the bill is it lumps eliquid together be it 0mg nicotine or 36mg nicotine by requiring the permit go through the Alcohol and tobacco commission.
SMH I didn't think of that... probably because I think the boss wouldn't like it... but I can try and beg forgiveness if they say anything LOL
Uh, no... unless I missed some major modifications just before this was passed...
It requires VERY expensive video monitoring... certifications... storage of samples (also under video monitoring)... inspections... the list of requirements was shocking - no other industry that I know of is subject to such scrutiny, unless maybe they're making bombs for the military or something...???
Where is the other list then? Going off the link posted by op on first page and it had none of those on the page.
edit: nevermind ops pic looked similar to the one who posted link to the bill.
It's always better to ask for forgiveness than permission.
The manager at my local B&M told me that the security required is just insane, like pass card type of keys like you see in CSI crime lab types of settings.
Still, I don't think Indiana can force a Nevada business to get a license to mail order legal products into Indiana, it violates the interstate commerce law I would think. (i'm not a lawyer, I don't know for sure) What about a mail dump like mailboxes ect. where they do mass mailings? I can think of many ways around this out of state vape mail crap. What I do know from the Ma. thing is that Indiana cannot stop you from driving out of state to purchase any item that is not Illegal in the buyers home state.
Yes Indiana can do what they want to instate vape shops, but can do nothing about vape shops in other states. I know it could be a long drive to an out of state supplier, but its still legal. I know this because Ma gets mad when we drive to NH to save money on sales tax
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